250mg too 500mg

[Addon2]

I’ve been on 250mg of testosterone for 10 weeks I just upped the dose too 500mg a week. How long will it take till I start feeling the effects of 500mg?

 

[Veinyone]

I don’t “feel” any different running 500 vs 250. Quite honestly it’s still a marathon not a sprint. You won’t notice the gains as much as everyone else around you will. Take before and after pictures or body dysmorphia will mess with your head. Estrogen management is the hardest part for most men. I tend to stack it with primo or eq so I don’t have as hard of a time trying to dose aromasin, but I’d still run it solo the first time and get frequent blood work to see if something like that would even be necessary. You can make solid gains on test only and it’s got a way better safety profile than anything else.

 

[riggspersonal]

View: https://youtu.be/a2gTvWsURZg?t=1132


hey, my bad for being as ass for no reason in the above comment,

so I dont have reports, because i never got my pharma HGH tested,

apart from pharma grade GH from my own country india (pic below), I have 10 iu and a 36 IU kit from a chinese vendor

i dont use HGH anymore, (think nobody should anymore that we have Reta) from what from jano said in the interview that they mostly have Pharma grade HGH in range of 96-99% AND it is permisible by law that they are allowed to have as low as 91% batch purity and upto 4% dimer.

in india, You get 1.2$ per IU for pharma vs 0.5 $ per IU chinese




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i was talking to a vendor about their low purity batches and they said this and i only regurgitated

This is well known and causes a common misconception that UGL HGH is just as good as pharma HGH because the purity of UGH is oftentimes higher than pharma.

Pharma HGH has excipients added to help buffer PH, which helps mitigate protein degradation, reducing aggregates and thereby immunogenicity. I haven't heard of any UGL vendors mention that they're adding excipients to keep HGH at the ideal PH levels. A move away from ideal PH will greatly impact degradation.

IMO this is why people will report experiencing less "dirty" side effects using pharma HGH compared to UGL HGH.

 

[PenguinPiss]

Waiting for someone to educate me

this embodies the quote "If you want the right answer quickly, post the wrong answer online"

if you have a new topic to discuss, start a new post.

Curtrent Topic (re Testosterone):

250mg too 500mg​

 

[IndividualMan]

Waiting for someone to educate me

GLPs make you eat less. They dont really burn fat. 50% of the insulin sensitivity is just eating less/digesting slower.
The glucagon from reta burns fewer/the same calories than 4mg albuterol/day with your cardio.
None of them help mobilize free fatty acids like rHGH or Beta2 agonists do.

Now back to the Thread:

Curtrent Topic (re Testosterone):

250mg too 500mg​

upping your test into non-clinical dosages can impact E2, which in turn might impact yoru libido positively (if you are a low aromatizer libido and satisfaction will increase going from 250 to 500) or mess you up if you convert a lot of test to E2 (ED, lower satisfaction, libido, emotional distress/ lots of crying, etc. when I was doing my frontload with Test D and switched to Cyp i was taking 500 test+ some EQ for a while and I was a crybaby. only time in my life I ever watched romance movies with my girl and genuinely cried).
If you do other steroids the effects will vary, obviously, and sides will be different.


Do your bloodwork, write down your feelings at your E2 level to look back later, and take Exemestane or another AI if needed.

 

[Photon]

hey, my bad for being as ass for no reason in the above comment,

so I dont have reports, because i never got my pharma HGH tested,

apart from pharma grade GH from my own country india (pic below), I have 10 iu and a 36 IU kit from a chinese vendor

How strict are the laws for vendors selling these rx products? I'm honestly surprised how IndiaMart exists lol

 

[strixsir]

How strict are the laws for vendors selling these rx products? I'm honestly surprised how IndiaMart exists lol

absolutely no regulations, My gymmate is 18 weeks out and bought 2 years worth of Test E and 20 weeks worth Primo from a medical shop like an OTC product.

same for HGH,

schedule X drugs (psychotropic substance with addiction potential) are heavily regulated though, everything else is almost OTC unofficially.




my nephew cant get Methylphenidate for his ADHD without regular doctor's prescription but i can buy Tren Pharma grade like candy,
Shops even deliver to home.

this vendor even supplies internationally if wish to avoid buying UGL gear, google "demegaformulations"

 

[120nmol]

250mg to 500mg can take between 4-6 weeks depends on how you personally metabolize the ester chain other than that I guess if it’s your first cycle you might feel slight difference from the jump in the test dose me personally after so many years on gear I don’t feel anything sometimes I go do blood work only to make sure that my gear is not bunk ..
Tren is the only devil that I can feel..
185mg - 850mg test e/p feels the same..

 

[Addon2]

How old are you mate ?

What do you think you gonna feel ?
( What have you been reading )

I may disappoint you - but I don't really feel that much, except when I go on the harsher/higher side, then I just feel terrible and toxic ....
- I slowly just get stronger, and my body changes over time.

I just really meant saturation time for it to be in my system.

 

[Avarice911]

The novice 500 mg test only cycle is stupid,

I know the novices want their shit simple as per the KISS thing, but atleast they should be aware about:

Do you know you reduce your PCT/recovery baseline time to around 6-7 weeks by switching to Test Prop and pinning it daily?

Different esters have different Testosterone base content

Prop- 84%
En -72%
cyp- 70%

so you get 20% more T exposure on Prop compared to En/Cyp ester, that is SIGNIFICANT over 12-20 weeks cycle.

weekly basis = 400 mg of Prop ~ 500 of En/Cyp

If you are somehow actually able to assess that you are not responding enough,

Dont Go to 500 is what i mean stick to 300-350 max, switch daily Test P.

Slow escalation.

You’re telling a new user to start by hitting a real cycle with test p? What kinda crap advice is that being tossed around?! There’s a reason test e or test c are the standard first cycle

 

[Addon2]

I don’t “feel” any different running 500 vs 250. Quite honestly it’s still a marathon not a sprint. You won’t notice the gains as much as everyone else around you will. Take before and after pictures or body dysmorphia will mess with your head. Estrogen management is the hardest part for most men. I tend to stack it with primo or eq so I don’t have as hard of a time trying to dose aromasin, but I’d still run it solo the first time and get frequent blood work to see if something like that would even be necessary. You can make solid gains on test only and it’s got a way better safety profile than anything else.

Okay thanks, my estradiol was 39 on 250. I’ve been getting blood work every 1.5 months. I did word it wrong though. I just really meant saturation time.

 

[PenguinPiss]

I just really meant saturation time for it to be in my system.

plug your doses into steroidplotter

 

[Billbo98]

plug your doses into steroidplotter

It’s worth noting steroid plotter isn't the bible. It gives an estimate everyone’s own biochemistry is different. When I hopped back on 200mg test cyp after being off for 1.5 yes and did labs at 5 weeks my total t was only 500s due to saturation taking time but free t was great snd shbg was low as it all should be.

 

[drakegobrr]

500mg will change your physique and for majority of people drive their e2 high and it will need managament. so there will be experience with e2, one can see/feel effects of high, maybe low, maybe variety of e2 levels, should gain experience with AI etc.

its easy, not much dmg done with basic structure, you can run it half a year without issues, you wont feel like shit, rather kind of normal but better.

with c/e ester, you will have easy time pinning 2x per week 1ml. suggesting prop for first blast is just stupid. same stability with longer ester which will also "tapper up"
for you.

happy, hungry, horny, big and strong. its still base for most blasts around here.
"what are you running?"
"500 test and something"

its very effective and for begginer its ideal learning opportunity.

Hmm I understand your reasoning.

Correct me if I wrong but the 500mg route being better is when talking about first cycle correct?

So if I was already made up my mind that I’ll be pinning for life would it be a thing to first pin a lower dose (250-300mg) just to get a feel for being enhanced and asses how my body reacts to the compound and then after a little while (idk 6 weeks or so?) up the dose to 500mg and consider that the start of my first cycle blast it for 16 weeks or whatever time is best then go back down to 250 so on and so forth?

Would that be a retarded train of thought? What would be the reasoning behind that line of logic being wrong?

Idk I’m new I just want to learn.

 

[Billbo98]

Hmm I understand your reasoning.

Correct me if I wrong but the 500mg route being better is when talking about first cycle correct?

So if I was already made up my mind that I’ll be pinning for life would it be a thing to first pin a lower dose (250-300mg) just to get a feel for being enhanced and asses how my body reacts to the compound and then after a little while (idk 6 weeks or so?) up the dose to 500mg and consider that the start of my first cycle blast it for 16 weeks or whatever time is best then go back down to 250 so on and so forth?

Would that be a retarded train of thought? What would be the reasoning behind that line of logic being wrong?

Idk I’m new I just want to learn.

How old are you man? No offense you sound like a kid.

If your pinning for life do what you want doesn’t matter one way or another IMO. I personally believe in the titration up from 300mg to 5-600mg over 25-35 weeks. 300mg for 6-8 weeks to saturate and if tolerable up 100mg for 6 weeks and another 100mg and so on.

I don’t think 500mg off the rip wirh 0 anabolics experience is wise but that is me. That’s asking for a slew of possible issues from just ripping and gripping it. Some react well with 0 issues others have to abandon ship because BP / Acne / nosebleeds etc. Like I said if you’ve decided this is for life doesn’t matter.

That said EVERYONE says oh I’m gonna do this for life! Without ever having pinned and I can promise it gets real old real quick so be wise don’t just jump on the TikTok train cuz every shitfluencer is making you feel like a lame ass natty

 

[drakegobrr]

How old are you man? No offense you sound like a kid.

If your pinning for life do what you want doesn’t matter one way or another IMO. I personally believe in the titration up from 300mg to 5-600mg over 25-35 weeks. 300mg for 6-8 weeks to saturate and if tolerable up 100mg for 6 weeks and another 100mg and so on.

I don’t think 500mg off the rip wirh 0 anabolics experience is wise but that is me. That’s asking for a slew of possible issues from just ripping and gripping it. Some react well with 0 issues others have to abandon ship because BP / Acne / nosebleeds etc. Like I said if you’ve decided this is for life doesn’t matter.

That said EVERYONE says oh I’m gonna do this for life! Without ever having pinned and I can promise it gets real old real quick so be wise don’t just jump on the TikTok train cuz every shitfluencer is making you feel like a lame ass natty

I see

Why do I sound like a kid?

 

[Magenzus]

First time I’d start at 250, heck even at a TRT dose if you want to be extra careful.

 

[drakegobrr]

First time I’d start at 250, heck even at a TRT dose if you want to be extra careful.

See that's the discord and why these threads get created non stop on any forum that allows AAS talk. One side says 250 ballpark is best for first time and deems 500 unnecessary at that point and overkill, other side says anything but 500 is borderline absurd and a waste of time/stay natty for anything else but 500.

 

[BabaJagga]

Hmm I understand your reasoning.

Correct me if I wrong but the 500mg route being better is when talking about first cycle correct?

So if I was already made up my mind that I’ll be pinning for life would it be a thing to first pin a lower dose (250-300mg) just to get a feel for being enhanced and asses how my body reacts to the compound and then after a little while (idk 6 weeks or so?) up the dose to 500mg and consider that the start of my first cycle blast it for 16 weeks or whatever time is best then go back down to 250 so on and so forth?

Would that be a retarded train of thought? What would be the reasoning behind that line of logic being wrong?

Idk I’m new I just want to learn.

yes, as for your first time exposure to anabolics, 500 is way to go imo. its not "unhealthy" amount of test, wont cause sides except high e2 which you will learn to manage. or should. i did not have issue with it.

unless you have lost genetic lottery, you will react well. you have very unique "window" with your first blast, you wont make that much progress in future blasts.

titrating up will just mess your hormonal balance more than its needed. your ester is doin that for you.

250mg is cruise dose basicly. even trt for some people. i was around 1230ng/dl on that, my friend was at 1050. thats not blast.

if you are lean, stick to 500, have aromasin ready and enjoy the ride:
if you are not, sure, start with 250 as cruise period, cut down as much as possible and then blast 500 for 20 weeks. you will grow like a weed.

See that's the discord and why these threads get created non stop on any forum that allows AAS talk. One side says 250 ballpark is best for first time and deems 500 unnecessary at that point and overkill, other side says anything but 500 is borderline absurd and a waste of time/stay natty for anything else but 500.

that probably comes from all the young kids complaining about bloated face, not wanting to use ai to manage high e2 and doin meth to be lean. or something in that way.

 

[Mongo966]

Tren is the only devil that I can feel..
185mg - 850mg test e/p feels the same..

This.

But yeah I'm in the 500mg/week camp. You're already on test anyways, and taking a half-decent dose keeps the risk:reward reasonable.