DimitarGrgv
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I am thinking of running 1 up to 3 mg of Reta, Hgh 1.5 ui in the morning and 1.5 ui at night with ghk cu for 6 mouths is this a dangerous cycle with more side effects then positive gains or it’s good start ?
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Hgh Reta combo for summmer
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RockyP
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GHK cu is pretty useless in general and has nothing to do with fat loss. You can get fat loss with just Reta you don’t need GH and it’s a waste to run it without anabolics.
BigDadd7
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Are you running test or anything else? Reta is fine. I'm not sure on the dosing- I would go with whatever they ran in the trials vs whatever random schedule some internet bro made up.
ostrichsak
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Most trials started patents of at 4mg per week (one injection) and then titrated up pretty rapidly thereafter. You can absolutely do this but you're likely in for a bumpy ride. Keep in mind that the idea with trails is a dosage that applies to a majority of the populace that some doctor trying to crank people in and out of his (or her) office as rapidly as possible.
My opinion based off of personal experience as well as helping lots of friends & family (no, I'm not selling shit to rando's online so no PMs please) is to start off at 1mg per week split into 2 injections. Assuming well-tolerated (no side effects or at least nothing you can't sustain) you can dose up to 2mg the 2nd month and then repeat this each month on an as needed basis until you hit goal. Breaking up the dose into 2 shots will not only help initially w/potential side effects to lessen that pulse but will also help downstream when you approach the higher amounts as they're better tolerated for most not done in once per week.
The half life of Reta is about 5.5 days which mean that you'll need about 21 days or so to reach a steady state of it in your system. This is why lots of people who start at too high of a dose or titrate up too quickly have a slew of side effects. Some of them super suck too. The maximum effective dose before the percentages of side effects and trial dropouts increase far greater than benefits seems to be 12mg per week. This is why it makes more sense to only titrate up when weight loss stops. Saves you some overhead downstream in case it's needed... depending on how you respond since that's 100% individualistic.
I'd second what was said above about the GHK-Cu in that it really has nothing to do with weight loss. If you are incredibly overweight some of it's affects on collagen and a few other aspects _could_ help with loose skin and things like that. Most of the is anecdotal with limited scientific data but there's actually quite a bit of it out there. As it doesn't sound like this would help, I'd just start w/the Reta and keep things simple for now.
Downstream check into something like Klow for recovery & healing but it's not going to have much (if any) of a synergistic effect for weight loss. Since that sounds like what you're looking for here.
Flatriggerman
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Reta is very potent. Start as low as possible. I rec 2mg weekly split 1mg every 3.5 days. See where you are in 2-3 months. Reta takes a while to work. Titrate up 1.5mg every 3 days if needed and so on. If this is your first hgh go, 1.5 iu per day for 2 weeks and titrate up. 4iu per day is a good spot to stabilize. Most start low on hgh and titrate up.
ostrichsak
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Agreed but even your "low" dose is about 2x more than I typically recommend for someone who's never done a GLP1 before. 1mg per week for the first four weeks (broken into two 0.5mg shots every 3.5 days) is the sweet spot IMO.
On that, I lost 10lbs my first month. Not everyone responds that well but might as well give yourself the opportunity to see if you can lose that much weight on that low of a dose. No need to start higher than necessary to lose weight at a reasonable rate.
I see lots of people talking about starting at 2mg or even 4mg per week based on the trials and then titrating up in a couple of weeks... No surprise when they start having side effects one month in.
Take advantage of having the ability to start low (lowest effective dose FTW!) and customizing your path to have the least amount of bumps along the journey.
DimitarGrgv
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So what to add instead of gh for the muscle gain while losing weight?
Um. Test…
Why would you recommend splitting up shots of drugs specifically designed to be dosed in a bolus due to their long half lives and accommodation of peak plasma levels…
DimitarGrgv
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So what to add instead of gh for the muscle gain while losing weight, I was 6m on 250 mg of test enanthat I gained a lot looked good but that life style did not suite me 2 years I try to recover my natural test now I am in the upper border for test but I can’t get even close to losing belly fat and look healthy to muscular
kegg408
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Im running both now and trt.
Like others have said hgh is better with test
Like others have said hgh is better with test
DimitarGrgv
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Okay hgh is better with test and here we go, you need to watch estrogen, you need to add hgc to that trt and at the end your only stabbing ur self and taking pills to reduce side effects
I have been doing split dose 0.5mg every 3 days so 1.17mg per week.
The drug trails are once per week injection for adherance, but 2x weekly if you don't mind jabbing yourself ends up being much better because less peaks and dips so more steady hunger control.
I also wouldn't be doing 2mg starting unless you are very insulin resistant and over 30%BF
The trails on Reta had all participants BMI average of 37 and I guess most would have little muscle so that means they could be 40%BF or more on average which would make them very insulin resistant.
If you are less than their studies, lift weights, have better insulin signalling you are better off starting way lower and then you can always move up.
My experience at 28%bf starting with history of being very obease and possible not great insulin signalling.
Dose1: didn't feel much very mild
Dose 2: now started to feel it helped me stick to a diet plan
Dose 3: felt it for sure very full
Dose 4: easily following a 1,000 calorie deficit, if I want to follow 500 cal or less deficit, I have to eat to be really full or split up and have more meals.
kegg408
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My estrogen fine, im done having kids so no hcg needed, I dont take any pills as I have no side effects.
DimitarGrgv
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I know the golden rule around here is usually "Running HGH without Test is a waste of money." I totally get that for a bulking scenario. But my goals right now are extreme fat loss, muscle preservation in a massive deficit, and explosive athletic performance (I play heavy, competitive volleyball).
Here is my current setup and the logic behind it:
The Diet & Activity:
• Diet: Aggressive PSMF style. Around 1100-1200 calories/day (approx. 160g+ Protein, very low carb/fat).
• Training: Lifting heavy + heavy cardio/plyo from Volleyball. My active calorie burn is huge, so my daily deficit is massive.
The Stack:
• Retatrutide: Doing its job perfectly. Zero appetite, melting fat, keeping insulin sensitivity prime.
• HGH @ 3 IU daily: Using this purely for anti-catabolism (saving my muscle mass in this crazy deficit), lipolysis, and joint lubrication for all the jumping I do.
• BPC-157: Pinning locally for knee and tendon repair.
• Pre-workout: Half scoop of stims + 4g AAKG + 1.8g Taurine for pumps, since I'm constantly glycogen depleted and flat.
My logic for NO Testosterone right now:
Since I’m in a brutal deficit, introducing Test right now feels counterproductive. I don't have the calories to build new muscle anyway. I feel like Test would just aromatize, hold water, blur my definition, and give me sides without the anabolic benefits.
The HGH is there to protect the muscle from being eaten, heal the micro-tears from lifting, and keep my knees from exploding on the volleyball court. Plus, the Retatrutide perfectly counters the insulin resistance that HGH usually causes.
Am I missing something completely, or does running HGH solo alongside Reta actually make perfect sense for this specific extreme cutting/athletic scenario?
Let me know your thoughts.
kegg408
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Im on trt so I dont need to worry about the sides of test. Been on over a year now.
reta and hgh make perfect sense. Hgh was an add on to trt and reta.
Test will help maintain muscle on a cut like that.
Thats why the combo of all 3 is so popular.
Do you though. It's just a suggestion.
reta and hgh make perfect sense. Hgh was an add on to trt and reta.
Test will help maintain muscle on a cut like that.
Thats why the combo of all 3 is so popular.
Do you though. It's just a suggestion.
Again. You are irrelevant. The drug is designed as a bolus for a reason I’m too lazy to go into everything involved but splitting up shots is retarded. With a big R.
DimitarGrgv
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Tbh only 1 mg once a week I get the full experience I’m not hungry I don’t have cravings for food and I’m just enough hungry to put down 160 180g of protein and 50 60g of fat with 60 80g of carbs and that makes my full af
Proud Pangolin
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i wouldnt say its a waste. HGH is so cheap nowadays.... if you cant afford it... get abjob mister hobo (joking).
Proud Pangolin
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If you want a anabolic effect from HGH splitting your dosage is a bad idea. GH isnt anabolic, igf-1 is! Osu protocoll right now is good for fat loss as GH increases lipolysis bit igf-1 wont. For anabolism you would want to take all your GH at once to raise your igf-1 as high as possibel but at 3 IU.... dude hownold are you?
If the answer is anything under 40 there is a good chance that 3IU will put you under you natural endocrine(systemic) igf-1 level not to talk about the autorcrine igf-1 level meaning it will result in LESS anabolism.
As you arent running heavy cycles 2mg of Tesamorelin+ 600mcg may be the better choice. For some people (like me) this protocoll is more anabolic than 4 and even 6IU GH.
The new "enhanced natty/fake natty cycle" is TRT (which at 120mg is already probably in the 99 percentile), Reta and Tesamorelin + Ipamorelin
But to be honest, if you choose TRT why not blast? My natural test is really low (could have something to do with.... well be blasting im the past who would have guessed), like very low 270 (ideal would be 600-700) so i could get TRT prescriped by a doctor.
But im not. Why?
Because i know me. The moment im back on TRT its not going to stay that way. Im going to do some TRT+ (add some primo) and very soon im back blasting.
So yeah dont destroy you natural test level for TRT.
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