creatine sides?

solo47

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Hey All. I know one common side is water retention. Another I certainly experienced during the loading phase was indigestion and, well, air build-up. I felt pain in my upper right side during loading too. Could creatine stress out the liver at about 25 gm/ED (four heaping spoonsful a day)?

Any comments on possible creatine side effects?

Solo
 
Are you taking creatine monohydrate?? Monohydrate can cause upset stomach, and gas on higher doses as it isn't absorbed by the body very well unless taken with high amount of simple sugars. Try creatine ethyl ester (get tabs cause the powder tastes really REALLY BAD!!) Take them half hour before work out and again straight afterward. Best I've treid so far. Giving Cellmass a try now for a while, will let you know how I get on.

On another note I'd like to tell everyone that NO-Xplode and tribulus are now illegal in my country.

ilds
 
Cellmass is actually pretty good. And I love that it is so affective wihtout all the sugars of all the transport creatines. But yes, mohohydrate by itself is going to hurt your stomach. You should either get the ester like he said, or find one that is a premade drink. It will be so much easier on your body and actually give you better results
 
Because our equivalent of the FDA are assholes as well. Some kids were taking it playing rugby and someone died, his Mum found the stuff in his bag and went to the radio about it. Then there was a big investigation blah, blah, blah. Then the papers came out and said that a lot of the protein powders you can buy in the shops have steroids in them so they wanted them banned as well!!

Madness.

ilds
 
I have never experienced any negative sides from creatine. I guess it's effects vary from person to person. I have experimented in various ways and definitely front-loading isn't necessary with any form of creatine. I haven't experienced any differences in gains and i actually have more left to drink on my workout days. I usually drink 5 grams before training and another 5 post-workout and i'm good to go. On non training days i drink just 5 grams for maintenance.
 
Because our equivalent of the FDA are assholes as well. Some kids were taking it playing rugby and someone died, his Mum found the stuff in his bag and went to the radio about it. Then there was a big investigation blah, blah, blah. Then the papers came out and said that a lot of the protein powders you can buy in the shops have steroids in them so they wanted them banned as well!!

Madness.

ilds

That's some pure bullshit. I've used tribulus at a dose as high as 2250mgs a day and had no problems besides occasional insomnia, more acne than usual and a little bit of aggressiveness.

Post up a link to the article iluvdeads.
 
Here's my favorite line from the news article:

But recent studies revealed that more than 20pc of such products actually contain steroids which are not only banned from use in sport but can lead to serious developmental and health problems, according to Prof Buckley.

ilds
 
Sad, yeeeah. Bulgarian Trib has been my mainstay between cycles since the First World War. The oil, erections, & stamina all tell me something has kicked in. Can't believe government paranoia somewhere has outlawed another natural herb.

Was trying creatine to keep the muscle energy going, but it is monohydrate and I do fart a lot. Reinhart says 25 g ED? Instructions say 25 g ED for one week then down to only 5g ED. Don't like the shit and can't really notice much difference. If I feel unmotivated, Trib, a Provi, and an ephedrine usually get me going (between cycles), though on occasion I've lived excessively and taken a Nolva tab too.

Solo
 
Sad, yeeeah. Bulgarian Trib has been my mainstay between cycles since the First World War. The oil, erections, & stamina all tell me something has kicked in. Can't believe government paranoia somewhere has outlawed another natural herb.

Was trying creatine to keep the muscle energy going, but it is monohydrate and I do fart a lot. Reinhart says 25 g ED? Instructions say 25 g ED for one week then down to only 5g ED. Don't like the shit and can't really notice much difference. If I feel unmotivated, Trib, a Provi, and an ephedrine usually get me going (between cycles), though on occasion I've lived excessively and taken a Nolva tab too.

Solo

Yeah! Thankfully, there are a lot of good replacements of tribulus! I don't like frontloading as i previously said. I said 5 grams about 15 minutes with a big serving of bcaa's pre-workout and then again immediately post-workout with bcaa's again! =)

A good natural stack for you to try is:

300-600mgs 6-oxo before bedtime
One serving of zma post workout and another one before bedtime
1000-1500mgs tribulus: Half of the dose upon wakening and the other half about an hour before your workout. It's going to make you feel really good!!! :D:D:D
 
I've used creatine twice,once years ago when it first come out on the market.
About two mounths ago a brought a kg,which I took for about five weeks and gave the rest away.
Same effect both times,no noticable effect except alot of cramping.
I prefer Arginine supplement,great for vascularity.
 
The first time I used creatine I got stomach cramps shortly after. It was some proprietary supplement that contained monohydrate, dextrose and flavouring basically. Subsequently I never had any problems. After I finished the tub I didn't bother with creatine again for some time, then started using plain monohydrate, again with no issues.
 
Yeah! Thankfully, there are a lot of good replacements of tribulus! I don't like frontloading as i previously said. I said 5 grams about 15 minutes with a big serving of bcaa's pre-workout and then again immediately post-workout with bcaa's again! =)

A good natural stack for you to try is:

300-600mgs 6-oxo before bedtime
One serving of zma post workout and another one before bedtime
1000-1500mgs tribulus: Half of the dose upon wakening and the other half about an hour before your workout. It's going to make you feel really good!!! :D:D:D

Actually, Reinheart, I like to take Trib at bedtime, though some folks may find it won't let them sleep. It probably contributes to my several piss walks during the night and the Trib hard-on makes it hard to piss anyway, but I've read that Trib does its most effective work in the early hours of sleep. Like Jashace, I like the aminos. I also sleep on about 4000mgs of Arginine-Ornithine combo, a definite grower. Could mention I wake between 4 & 5 a.m. for my daily rhGH shot too.

To tell the truth, I don't really know what 6-oxo or zma even are.

Solo
 
Actually, Reinheart, I like to take Trib at bedtime, though some folks may find it won't let them sleep. It probably contributes to my several piss walks during the night and the Trib hard-on makes it hard to piss anyway, but I've read that Trib does its most effective work in the early hours of sleep. Like Jashace, I like the aminos. I also sleep on about 4000mgs of Arginine-Ornithine combo, a definite grower. Could mention I wake between 4 & 5 a.m. for my daily rhGH shot too.

To tell the truth, I don't really know what 6-oxo or zma even are.

Solo

Yeah, it causes some serious ass insomnia to myself if i take it late in the evening. The piss thing happens to me too and man, it's so annoying. I usually take a lot of bcca's before bedtime but haven't tried the arginine-ornithine combo. Those aminos are supposed to help in the production of GH, right???

I can't understand why you have to wake up in the middle of the night and shoot GH instead of spreading it throughout the day.
 
Yeah, it causes some serious ass insomnia to myself if i take it late in the evening. The piss thing happens to me too and man, it's so annoying. I usually take a lot of bcca's before bedtime but haven't tried the arginine-ornithine combo. Those aminos are supposed to help in the production of GH, right???

I can't understand why you have to wake up in the middle of the night and shoot GH instead of spreading it throughout the day.
Hey Reiny, aren't you going to tell me why you think 6-oxo & zma really work to raise production of the HPTA?:confused:

rHGH:
1. I take GH only once a day because when you're on the stuff for months & months, your intake averages out. Long term, it makes no difference to your standard GH levels whether you take it once or twice a day, though I doubt those who use EOD maintain a steady balance.

Sometimes I do switch up and take the 4 to 5 a.m. shot and also one PWO, but I'll be snoozy an hour later. If once a day works, that's all I generally do.

2. We actually do most of our growing in our sleep (that's why I do the Trib at bedtime). In the first hours of sleep is when the body releases most of its own growth hormone (that's why I take the argi-orni at bedtime as well, to promote natural release). But I still want to up my night growth later with extra GH and get that wonderful GH sleep and refreshed awakening (but I don't want to interfere with my own GH release), so I opt for a 4 to 5 a.m. injection.

3. My current GH (almost on the last kit:() is Chinese blue tops so about an hour after a shot I find I feel heavy and tired. Thus at 4-5 a.m. I inject, pop a bit of T4, and fall back into bliss for another 3 or 4 hours. Usually I awake ready to prowl, if I can get my unit down enough to pee.:rolleyes:

Solo
 
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Hey Reiny, aren't you going to tell me why you think 6-oxo & zma really work to raise production of the HPTA?:confused:

rHGH:
1. I take GH only once a day because when you're on the stuff for months & months, your intake averages out. Long term, it makes no difference to your standard GH levels whether you take it once or twice a day, though I doubt those who use EOD maintain a steady balance.

Sometimes I do switch up and take the 4 to 5 a.m. shot and also one PWO, but I'll be snoozy an hour later. If once a day works, that's all I generally do.

2. We actually do most of our growing in our sleep (that's why I do the Trib at bedtime). In the first hours of sleep is when the body releases most of its own growth hormone (that's why I take the argi-orni at bedtime as well, to promote natural release). But I still want to up my night growth later with extra GH and get that wonderful GH sleep and refreshed awakening (but I don't want to interfere with my own GH release), so I opt for a 4 to 5 a.m. injection.

3. My current GH (almost on the last kit:() is Chinese blue tops so about an hour after a shot I find I feel heavy and tired. Thus at 4-5 a.m. I inject, pop a bit of T4, and fall back into bliss for another 3 or 4 hours. Usually I awake ready to prowl, if I can get my unit down enough to pee.:rolleyes:

Solo

Hey Solo! [:o)]

I completely forgot about zma and 6-OXO. :D Well there are several studies out there regarding zink and magnesium and their effect on the increasing the natural production of test to optimal levels. 6-OXO now is supposed to be an estrogen blocker, no need to say anything more. To be honest, I have questioned it's effectiveness from time to time but it just seems that it's results are dose related. I'm doing good at 300mgs but i always use it in a stack with trib and zma and have already high test levels, plus i'm only 20 years old. =)

Smart way to use GH by the way! :D I think i'm going to try this arginine/ornithine stack my self but i will combine it with the zma/trib/6-oxo stack for improved anabolism. :D

I have one last thing i want to ask though, doesn't it bother you to wake up in the middle of the night and inject??? [|)]
 
Hey Solo! [:o)]

I completely forgot about zma and 6-OXO. Well there are several studies out there regarding zink and magnesium and their effect on the increasing the natural production of test to optimal levels. 6-OXO now is supposed to be an estrogen blocker, no need to say anything more. To be honest, I have questioned it's effectiveness from time to time but it just seems that it's results are dose related. I'm doing good at 300mgs but i always use it in a stack with trib and zma and have already high test levels, plus i'm only 20 years old.

Smart way to use GH by the way! :D I think i'm going to try this arginine/ornithine stack my self but i will combine it with the zma/trib/6-oxo stack for improved anabolism. :D

I have one last thing i want to ask though, doesn't it bother you to wake up in the middle of the night and inject??? [|)]

Glad to answer anything, Reiny, especially since I'm getting near to 1000 posts.:rolleyes:

Doesn't bother me much at all since I mostly run on automatic pilot at the time. An IM inject might, but sub-q is so easy and fast. I set things up before going to bed alcohol, swab, right next to the fridge where the loaded syringe is stored. As a man in his autumn years (hey, autumn's a nice season:cool:), I get up to piss two or three times a night anyway. What's interesting, though, izzat I almost always awake around 4 a.m. fairly alert: It's azzo the body is really wanting that GH shot. (Missed it entirely last night, however, and was glad to do so: rambunctious guest cutting way into my beauty sleep time:o.)

You're only 20 eh? Yeah, I noted that, but you're obviously an intelligent guy who knows what he's doing and often gives good advice to newbies. You may yet be in store for a surprising growth spurt & could broaden out significantly. Just pace yourself and you should have a long, active, and interesting physical life. And keep reading a book now & then, eh?;)

Solo (& liking it)
 
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Solo..go read up on ZMA..it is proven effective and very cheap..a definate ingredient in any older gentlemans arsenal ! I would suggest taking it year round close to bed time..d
 
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