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basskiller
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even though I hate sust.. It's a great article and benefits all wgo read it!!
juiceman27
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ok only expirienced people reply please ,
I have 40ml of cypionate
40ml enanthate
40ml omnadren
30ml deca
30ml EQ
50ml tren-A
20ml tren E
30ml Masteron
10ml winny
10ml suspension test
100 anadrol
300 5mg dbol
1 kit of hgh
I'm 18 yr old n lookig to do a 2nd cycle I'm 5'7 183 I want to gain as much mass as possible , my body genetically tends to be lean so I'm not so worried about getting bloated but I would like to be about 215 lean solid ripped muscle after this next cycle my problem is this...using the products listed above what should I take? How much ? And how long? And should I take all of it without a break? Or all in 1 cycle?
I'm 18 yrs old this will be my 2nd cycle I'm 5'7
I have 40ml of cypionate
40ml enanthate
40ml omnadren
30ml deca
30ml EQ
50ml tren-A
20ml tren E
30ml Masteron
10ml winny
10ml suspension test
100 anadrol
300 5mg dbol
1 kit of hgh
I'm 18 yr old n lookig to do a 2nd cycle I'm 5'7 183 I want to gain as much mass as possible , my body genetically tends to be lean so I'm not so worried about getting bloated but I would like to be about 215 lean solid ripped muscle after this next cycle my problem is this...using the products listed above what should I take? How much ? And how long? And should I take all of it without a break? Or all in 1 cycle?
I'm 18 yrs old this will be my 2nd cycle I'm 5'7
Sensational
New Member
In another thread you claim it will be your 3rd cycle.
Let me just say you should stay away from steroids as it is obvious you have no fucking clue what you are doing. We are not a source board, so don't ask for them.
Just go away, and chase girls at 18 jfc.
ml's...???
"CYCLE ONE: So easy your grandmother might consider going on. This is a test only cycle. I am using Sustanon in this example but enanthate or cypionate can be used in the same manner. I like sustanon because its cheap, its readily available, its quick acting, and its very effective. Later on Youll learn Sustanon is better EOD because of the proprionate in it, but for your First cycle, this method of BI weekly injections will be VERY effective.
Week 1-9: 500mg Sustanon
250mg per injection. Alternate Glutes."
Why do you list the injectable dosages as mg if the syringes/vials go by ml? So its 500 mgs per week how would I figure out how many ml's that would be per day and total a week? My math sucks this might sound like a stupid question to some of you but any help will be great thanks.
"CYCLE ONE: So easy your grandmother might consider going on. This is a test only cycle. I am using Sustanon in this example but enanthate or cypionate can be used in the same manner. I like sustanon because its cheap, its readily available, its quick acting, and its very effective. Later on Youll learn Sustanon is better EOD because of the proprionate in it, but for your First cycle, this method of BI weekly injections will be VERY effective.
Week 1-9: 500mg Sustanon
250mg per injection. Alternate Glutes."
Why do you list the injectable dosages as mg if the syringes/vials go by ml? So its 500 mgs per week how would I figure out how many ml's that would be per day and total a week? My math sucks this might sound like a stupid question to some of you but any help will be great thanks.
Sensational
New Member
Re: ml's...???
Sustanon is 250mg/ml, so in 1 ml there is 250 mg. mL is just a volume measurement, and only denotes the amount of drug if the concentration is known.
Sustanon is 250mg/ml, so in 1 ml there is 250 mg. mL is just a volume measurement, and only denotes the amount of drug if the concentration is known.
Re: ml's...???
If Sust is dosed at 250 mg per ml. And you need to do 500 mg per week. This is the breakdown:
2 ml per week total.
If you inject twice a week, you would simply inject 1 ml two times a week
If you inject every other day, you would want to inject .57 ml every other day (Basically this is just under the 6th little line out of the first 10 of 1 ml, or 6/10 ths of 1 ml, or roughly just a little over a half of a ml)
If you were so inclined to inject every day, you would need .285 ml/day...
I personally am doing 6/10 of a ml every other day of Sust...
If you need further assistance on the math or whatever, pm me. I would be happy to try and help out.
If Sust is dosed at 250 mg per ml. And you need to do 500 mg per week. This is the breakdown:
2 ml per week total.
If you inject twice a week, you would simply inject 1 ml two times a week
If you inject every other day, you would want to inject .57 ml every other day (Basically this is just under the 6th little line out of the first 10 of 1 ml, or 6/10 ths of 1 ml, or roughly just a little over a half of a ml)
If you were so inclined to inject every day, you would need .285 ml/day...
I personally am doing 6/10 of a ml every other day of Sust...
If you need further assistance on the math or whatever, pm me. I would be happy to try and help out.
Re: ml's...???
Thanks for the reply guys so that would mean for example a 10 ml vial of Test E that is 200mgs/ml is 2000 total mgs correct? So if I wanted to do a 12 week cycle of Test E of 400 mgs per week and 4800 mgs total I would need three 10 ml vials which will equal 6000 mgs 1200 more mgs than I would need but no big deal is that correct though? Also staying on the same subject how much of the results could one expect to keep after finishing their 12 week cycle of Test E? One last question would it be better to take the anti estrogen such as nolvadex during the Test E cycle or after?
Thanks
Thanks for the reply guys so that would mean for example a 10 ml vial of Test E that is 200mgs/ml is 2000 total mgs correct? So if I wanted to do a 12 week cycle of Test E of 400 mgs per week and 4800 mgs total I would need three 10 ml vials which will equal 6000 mgs 1200 more mgs than I would need but no big deal is that correct though? Also staying on the same subject how much of the results could one expect to keep after finishing their 12 week cycle of Test E? One last question would it be better to take the anti estrogen such as nolvadex during the Test E cycle or after?
Thanks
Sensational
New Member
Re: ml's...???
Use something that lowers the conversion of test to estrogen during the cycle such as arimidex or aromasin.
For PCT (Post cycle therapy) read the PCT sticky, then PM me or post a thread with specific questions. Most of the members here would be more than happy to help people such as yourself.
Use something that lowers the conversion of test to estrogen during the cycle such as arimidex or aromasin.
For PCT (Post cycle therapy) read the PCT sticky, then PM me or post a thread with specific questions. Most of the members here would be more than happy to help people such as yourself.
midstockbear
New Member
HI Phreezer....I have read the threads there and must say one of the best threads I have ever found
hi brothers, I have started Cycle 3 as follows but slightly adjusted:
week 1 to week 4
1. D-bol 30 mg per day into 3 doses, 250 mg sustanon once per week and 30 mg Stanozolol into 3 doses
week 5 to week 8
2. sustanon 250 mg once per week.
I understand the thread says PCT, I have however bought Clomid but cannot find HCG. Any brothers can tell me how i take Clomid , the first day after the last shot ? Can I take Clomid alone without HCG, Nolvadex Arimidex ? Also, when do i suppose to stop Clomid ?
last bit, : when can I resume the test cycle again ? 2 months after the last day of clomid ?
any comments would definitely help...much thanks.
hi brothers, I have started Cycle 3 as follows but slightly adjusted:
week 1 to week 4
1. D-bol 30 mg per day into 3 doses, 250 mg sustanon once per week and 30 mg Stanozolol into 3 doses
week 5 to week 8
2. sustanon 250 mg once per week.
I understand the thread says PCT, I have however bought Clomid but cannot find HCG. Any brothers can tell me how i take Clomid , the first day after the last shot ? Can I take Clomid alone without HCG, Nolvadex Arimidex ? Also, when do i suppose to stop Clomid ?
last bit, : when can I resume the test cycle again ? 2 months after the last day of clomid ?
any comments would definitely help...much thanks.
Are you sure you read the thread?
HDH
HDH
midstockbear
New Member
dear super moderator, i did read the post but somehow confused. if you dont; mind, perhaps please please please let me know which parts i miss so far
when can I resume the test cycle again ? 2 months after the last day of clomid / Arimidex? I read the post and it seems to suggest that either Clomid or Arimidex but not both since both of them does similar things.
So, please help me. I already got the 3rd shots of Sustanon and now stopped Dbol after 4 weeks.
is it also true to say or easier to remember, two months in and two months out ?
KB
when can I resume the test cycle again ? 2 months after the last day of clomid / Arimidex? I read the post and it seems to suggest that either Clomid or Arimidex but not both since both of them does similar things.
So, please help me. I already got the 3rd shots of Sustanon and now stopped Dbol after 4 weeks.
is it also true to say or easier to remember, two months in and two months out ?
KB
Ok, so after my research this is what I got can someone tell me if this looks correct? I will be doing a 12 week cycle of test e, 400 mgs a week 4800 mgs total all together. I will also be taking Nolvadex 10 mg per day (1/2 tab) 840 mgs total all together.
Test E & Nolvadex
Week 1 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 2 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 3 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 4 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 5 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 6 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 7 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 8 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 9 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 10 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 11 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 12 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
PCT
Clomid starting 14 days after Test E & Nolvadex cycle is finished
Day 1: Clomid 150 mg
Day 2-8: Clomid 100 mg each day
Day 9-16: Clomid 50 mg each day
Day 17-24 Clomid 50 mg every other day
I hope this PCT is correct, because still after all the research I have done I am still kinda of confused on PCT I understand that there are SERMS and AI's. I am using two Serms Nolvadex and Clomid is it ok not to use an AI?
Also how long from the day I finish my PCT can I begin another Test E with Nolvadex cycle?
any help will be great thank you
Test E & Nolvadex
Week 1 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 2 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 3 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 4 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 5 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 6 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 7 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 8 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 9 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 10 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 11 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 12 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
PCT
Clomid starting 14 days after Test E & Nolvadex cycle is finished
Day 1: Clomid 150 mg
Day 2-8: Clomid 100 mg each day
Day 9-16: Clomid 50 mg each day
Day 17-24 Clomid 50 mg every other day
I hope this PCT is correct, because still after all the research I have done I am still kinda of confused on PCT I understand that there are SERMS and AI's. I am using two Serms Nolvadex and Clomid is it ok not to use an AI?
Also how long from the day I finish my PCT can I begin another Test E with Nolvadex cycle?
any help will be great thank you
You probably won't need 10 mg of Nolva with 400 mg EW of Sust. Good to have on hand, though, in case of itchy or burning or painful nips. You will be playing it safe by using it at that level. In later cycles, you might prefer small doses of arimidex instead.
Since you plan to get your body used to Nolva on cycle, I see no reason not to continue using it for your PCT. You're planning a very short PCT, but you could run Nolvadex along with the Clomid at 40-30-20-10.
I see you're doing w/o HCG. You probably won't need it, but don't freak out if your testicles begin to feel like raisins. HCG prevents that shrinkage & is thought to speed up recovery. It's widely available, especially from old Europe.
You should be off-cycle the same number of weeks you were on + PCT weeks. So if your cycle was 12 weeks then you waited two weeks before beginning PCT & then did a four-week PCT, you should not go on cycle again for 18 weeks. Of course, getting bloodwork done 4-6 weeks after completing PCT would tell you whether your natural testosterone levels have returned. If all is in order, you'd know it's time to pump-you-up again.
Good luck but do it right,
Solo
Since you plan to get your body used to Nolva on cycle, I see no reason not to continue using it for your PCT. You're planning a very short PCT, but you could run Nolvadex along with the Clomid at 40-30-20-10.
I see you're doing w/o HCG. You probably won't need it, but don't freak out if your testicles begin to feel like raisins. HCG prevents that shrinkage & is thought to speed up recovery. It's widely available, especially from old Europe.
You should be off-cycle the same number of weeks you were on + PCT weeks. So if your cycle was 12 weeks then you waited two weeks before beginning PCT & then did a four-week PCT, you should not go on cycle again for 18 weeks. Of course, getting bloodwork done 4-6 weeks after completing PCT would tell you whether your natural testosterone levels have returned. If all is in order, you'd know it's time to pump-you-up again.
Good luck but do it right,
Solo
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You probably won't need 10 mg of Nolva with 400 mg EW of Sust. Good to have on hand, though, in case of itchy or burning or painful nips. You will be playing it safe by using it at that level. In later cycles, you might prefer small doses of arimidex instead.
Since you plan to get your body used to Nolva on cycle, I see no reason not to continue using it for your PCT. You're planning a very short PCT, but you could run Nolvadex along with the Clomid at 40-30-20-10.
I see you're doing w/o HCG. You probably won't need it, but don't freak out if your testicles begin to feel like raisins. HCG prevents that shrinkage & is thought to speed up recovery. It's widely available, especially from old Europe.
You should be off-cycle the same number of weeks you were on + PCT weeks. So if your cycle was 12 weeks then you waited two weeks before beginning PCT & then did a four-week PCT, you should not go on cycle again for 18 weeks. Of course, getting bloodwork done 4-6 weeks after completing PCT would tell you whether your natural testosterone levels have returned. If all is in order, you'd know it's time to pump-you-up again.
Good luck but do it right,
Solo
Thanks for the reply man. I would rather be safe than sorry (gyno) thats why I would take the nolvadex with the test e. But I have a few questions I hope you can anwser. When you say I should take the Nolvadex with the Clomid 40-30-20-10 I am a little confused my math is not that good as I posted above so when you say 40-30-20-10 do you mean 40 mgs (nolvadex and clomid) each day the first week than 30 mgs (nolvadex and clomid) each day the second week and so on? Now about HCG the reason I didn't add it to the PCT was I am still a little confused because some people say as long as I am taking Clomid I don't really need the HCG but after what you said I am starting to understand a little more. So according to the first post I should take HCG the day after my last Test E injection for 10 days correct? But this is were my math becomes a problem again when he says 1000IUs For Ten days I am confused how do I figure how many mg/ml that is? I don't know anything about IU's. Also like you said if my total cycle was lets say 18 weeks with PCT my next cycle should begin 18 weeks from the day my PCT ended correct?
any help will be great
It's not really math but common sense that's needed. Phreezer is an old school expert, so he only uses HCG at the end of a cycle & prefers clomid over nolvadex. It works that way but you may have to put up with shrunken testes during your cycle. Using HCG at 500 iu 2x EW will prevent testicular shrinkage and help with recovery. BUT in this first rather small cycle you might want to see if you're one of those who don't suffer shrinkage. You can always start HCG later if you are. Do not use HCG during your clomid-nolva PCT as they will be fighting each other, though you may use it, as Phreezer says, just before (& after your last injection).
I was suggesting Nolvadex at 40 mgs in week one of your PCT, 30 mgs in week two, 20 in week three, and 10 in week four. If you want to cover all bases and do clomid at the same time, it's up to you. Clomid has some peculiar emotional sides for some of us but they are bearable.
International Units — iu — has nothing to do with to with liquids but with the HCG powder. If you get, say a 5000 iu bottle of HCG then you add 100 ml (ml = cc) of bacteriostatic water to the HCG (after breaking off the neck), you will now have 100 ml of 5000 iu HCG solution. If you wanted to break that down, 100 / 10 = 10, and 5000 / 10 = 500. So each 10 ml of your HCG solution will have 500 iu of HCG in it. It's a small amount (0.10 of a cc) but enough to periodically inject.
Yes, total time off equals total time on. Still best to tell your doctor the truth and get bloodwork done before beginning again. (Does not apply if your doc has his head in his ass.)
Are you sure all this isn't too confusing for you? Believe me, there's lots of guys on gear who don't post here because they can't even put a sentence together, so you may be okay.
Solo
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midstockbear
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HI SOLO,.
your writings are definteily easier to read and to understand than others. really appreciated I Just posted up my 1st cycle up above. do you mind if you can comment on whether I am doing the right thing
1. I have done Dbol for 4 weeks + Stanolozolol for 4 weeks [ NOW STOPPED ]
2. along side with Dbol and Stanolozolol as above, I have injected Sus 250 mg for 4 weeks [ once per week ] already and I am planning to do 8 weeks and then stop.
3. After 8 weeks., I can start my PCT on Clomid for 3 weeks, 150 mg 100 mg 50 mg and 25 mg and so on. I can ony find Aridimex and Clomid but cannot find HCG. Any good recommendation from your side if I take only Aridmidex and Clomid without HCG
that means I should be "time off" for another 11 weeks before I can do another cycle.
really appreciated for your kind thoughts.
your writings are definteily easier to read and to understand than others. really appreciated I Just posted up my 1st cycle up above. do you mind if you can comment on whether I am doing the right thing
1. I have done Dbol for 4 weeks + Stanolozolol for 4 weeks [ NOW STOPPED ]
2. along side with Dbol and Stanolozolol as above, I have injected Sus 250 mg for 4 weeks [ once per week ] already and I am planning to do 8 weeks and then stop.
3. After 8 weeks., I can start my PCT on Clomid for 3 weeks, 150 mg 100 mg 50 mg and 25 mg and so on. I can ony find Aridimex and Clomid but cannot find HCG. Any good recommendation from your side if I take only Aridmidex and Clomid without HCG
that means I should be "time off" for another 11 weeks before I can do another cycle.
really appreciated for your kind thoughts.
You're doing the right thing: Compliments will get you everywhere.
Good to hear.
So you were doing Dbol, Winstrol, & Sust for the past 4 weeks and now you're continuing with this minimal dose of 250 mg Sust EW...
I guess for a first timer that might be okay, but after all that Dbol & Stanolozolol, you may find you actually lose a little. I'd say go up to 500 mg EW of Sust for the next 8 weeks (if you've got the product).
First, after using Sust, don't start your actual PCT until up to three weeks after your last injection. The long esters in Sustanon stay in your system a long time.
I'd say any PCT worth the name should go at least 4 weeks. If you're going with Clomid, first day do about 200 mg then go down to 100 mg for the rest of the week. (You may feel hot flashes & uncomfortable emotions from this.) Down to 50 mg for the next two weeks, and finish off at 25 mg. Because of those sides, most of us use Nolvadex instead. Four weeks would be 40/30/20/10.
Do not use Arimidex for PCT or you'll just get an estrogen backlash when you quit it. It's best used in small amounts during cycle, but if you don't get burning, itchy, or sore nips during cycle, don't use it at all.
You should not need HCG at 250 mg of Sust EW. If you go up to 500 mg EW, you may need to help get your testicles back to full size, but if you're young on your first cycle, they will return to size anyway.
If I calculate right, you are on a 12 week cycle. Then you'll wait 3 weeks before beginning your 4 week PCT. That's a total of 21 weeks, brother. That means by the rule, time on = time off, you would not begin your next AAS cycle until 21 weeks after finishing your PCT. It's a good rule and you'll be wise to follow it.
Ah thanks. I really am the kindest, ain't I?
Good luck. Use good sense.
Solo
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midstockbear
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HI Solo
much much thanks... If you don;t mind i have few helps from your side.
"So you were doing Dbol, Winstrol, & Sust for the past 4 weeks and now you're continuing with this minimal dose of 250 mg Sust EW...
I guess for a first timer that might be okay, but after all that Dbol & Stanolozolol, you may find you actually lose a little. I'd say go up to 500 mg EW of Sust for the next 8 weeks (if you've got the product)."
I thought Cycle 3 as recommended by Pfreezer is for 8 weeks, if i take your approach, then I,will have to take Sus 500 mg EW [ 2 shots per week ] for the next 8 weeks. In total, my Sus will be 4+ 8 = 12 months. am i right ? this is longer than what Pfreezer recommends. much comments here ?
on PCT : you are saying do not start PCT until 3 weeks after my last injection. that means after the last injection, wait for 3 weeks and then start PCT. but i read somewhere in the thread to suggest that PCT starts on the day of last injection. However, I cannot find HCG here and wish to skip HCG [ actually i don;t like injection ]. I will use Clomid.
for Clomid : you recommend 4 weeks instead of 3....I will honour and take your advice. 200 [ day 1 ] 100 [ day 2 to day 7 ] 50 [ day 8 to day 21 ] 25 [ day 22 to day 28 ]
For Arimidex : i also take your advice of skipping Arimidex as I don;t notice I have burning itchy or sore nips during cycle. I have none of these issues happening on me.
On my testicles : I notice that both balls shrink a little bit even these days as I am still having Sus for the 4th week. sometimes small adn sometimes normal size. So, if i take 500 mg EW [ twice per week], you might think my 2 balls will get smaller.
Perhaps, I will tell you my stats, aged 38, 175 cm = 5'8", at 206 lbs. I was 190 lbs before taking this 1st cycle. sO ABOUT 16 lbs increase, I notice my muscle is harder and firmer.
for time on and time off : IF i take your advice of 8 more weeks of Sus, then my 1st Cycle is 12 weeks. wait 3 weeks before starting PCT for another 4 weeks. 12 + 3 + 4 = 19 weeks. then i should wait for another 19 weeks to pass before I take my 2nd cycle.
Some 4 or 5 months right, during this 4 to 5 months, will I get back to the original pounds, losing muscle [ or muscle / fat ] i have gained during the last month ? I cannot find any postings on this and apprecaite if you will tell me something from your past experience generally.
YES I MUST SAY YOU ARE THE KINDEST, AT LEAST YOUR WRITINGS ARE SO MUCH EASIER TO UNDERSTAND AND TO READ FOR A NEWBI LIKE ME
KB
much much thanks... If you don;t mind i have few helps from your side.
"So you were doing Dbol, Winstrol, & Sust for the past 4 weeks and now you're continuing with this minimal dose of 250 mg Sust EW...
I guess for a first timer that might be okay, but after all that Dbol & Stanolozolol, you may find you actually lose a little. I'd say go up to 500 mg EW of Sust for the next 8 weeks (if you've got the product)."
I thought Cycle 3 as recommended by Pfreezer is for 8 weeks, if i take your approach, then I,will have to take Sus 500 mg EW [ 2 shots per week ] for the next 8 weeks. In total, my Sus will be 4+ 8 = 12 months. am i right ? this is longer than what Pfreezer recommends. much comments here ?
on PCT : you are saying do not start PCT until 3 weeks after my last injection. that means after the last injection, wait for 3 weeks and then start PCT. but i read somewhere in the thread to suggest that PCT starts on the day of last injection. However, I cannot find HCG here and wish to skip HCG [ actually i don;t like injection ]. I will use Clomid.
for Clomid : you recommend 4 weeks instead of 3....I will honour and take your advice. 200 [ day 1 ] 100 [ day 2 to day 7 ] 50 [ day 8 to day 21 ] 25 [ day 22 to day 28 ]
For Arimidex : i also take your advice of skipping Arimidex as I don;t notice I have burning itchy or sore nips during cycle. I have none of these issues happening on me.
On my testicles : I notice that both balls shrink a little bit even these days as I am still having Sus for the 4th week. sometimes small adn sometimes normal size. So, if i take 500 mg EW [ twice per week], you might think my 2 balls will get smaller.
Perhaps, I will tell you my stats, aged 38, 175 cm = 5'8", at 206 lbs. I was 190 lbs before taking this 1st cycle. sO ABOUT 16 lbs increase, I notice my muscle is harder and firmer.
for time on and time off : IF i take your advice of 8 more weeks of Sus, then my 1st Cycle is 12 weeks. wait 3 weeks before starting PCT for another 4 weeks. 12 + 3 + 4 = 19 weeks. then i should wait for another 19 weeks to pass before I take my 2nd cycle.
Some 4 or 5 months right, during this 4 to 5 months, will I get back to the original pounds, losing muscle [ or muscle / fat ] i have gained during the last month ? I cannot find any postings on this and apprecaite if you will tell me something from your past experience generally.
YES I MUST SAY YOU ARE THE KINDEST, AT LEAST YOUR WRITINGS ARE SO MUCH EASIER TO UNDERSTAND AND TO READ FOR A NEWBI LIKE ME
KB
