Phreezer's First cycle FAQ

[Jon1983]

I was suggesting Nolvadex at 40 mgs in week one of your PCT, 30 mgs in week two, 20 in week three, and 10 in week four. If you want to cover all bases and do clomid at the same time, it's up to you. Clomid has some peculiar emotional sides for some of us but they are bearable.

Ok so in week one I would take Nolvadex 40 mgs each day for 7 days correct? Than 30 mgs each day week two and so on? Also if I do feel I might be getting gyno how should I take the nolvadex during my standard cycle? Also if I take it during my standard cycle because of the gyno why would I have to take it for PCT shouldnt I take something else?

International Units iu has nothing to do with to with liquids but with the HCG powder. If you get, say a 5000 iu bottle of HCG then you add 100 ml (ml = cc) of bacteriostatic water to the HCG (after breaking off the neck), you will now have 100 ml of 5000 iu HCG solution. If you wanted to break that down, 100 / 10 = 10, and 5000 / 10 = 500. So each 10 ml of your HCG solution will have 500 iu of HCG in it. It's a small amount (0.10 of a cc) but enough to periodically inject.

Ok, first of all what do mean you add 100 ml of bacteriostatic water? Second if I wanted to take 500 IU's for 10 days of HCG I would take two 5 ml injections which would add up to 500 (both 250) is that correct?

I am sorry for more questions but this shit is confusing

 

[solo47]

HI Solo

much much thanks... If you don;t mind i have few helps from your side.

"So you were doing Dbol, Winstrol, & Sust for the past 4 weeks and now you're continuing with this minimal dose of 250 mg Sust EW...

I guess for a first timer that might be okay, but after all that Dbol & Stanolozolol, you may find you actually lose a little. I'd say go up to 500 mg EW of Sust for the next 8 weeks (if you've got the product)."

I thought Cycle 3 as recommended by Pfreezer is for 8 weeks, if i take your approach, then I,will have to take Sus 500 mg EW [ 2 shots per week ] for the next 8 weeks. In total, my Sus will be 4+ 8 = 12 months. am i right ? this is longer than what Pfreezer recommends. much comments here ?


on PCT : you are saying do not start PCT until 3 weeks after my last injection. that means after the last injection, wait for 3 weeks and then start PCT. but i read somewhere in the thread to suggest that PCT starts on the day of last injection. However, I cannot find HCG here and wish to skip HCG [ actually i don;t like injection ]. I will use Clomid.

for Clomid : you recommend 4 weeks instead of 3....I will honour and take your advice. 200 [ day 1 ] 100 [ day 2 to day 7 ] 50 [ day 8 to day 21 ] 25 [ day 22 to day 28 ]

For Arimidex : i also take your advice of skipping Arimidex as I don;t notice I have burning itchy or sore nips during cycle. I have none of these issues happening on me.


On my testicles : I notice that both balls shrink a little bit even these days as I am still having Sus for the 4th week. sometimes small adn sometimes normal size. So, if i take 500 mg EW [ twice per week], you might think my 2 balls will get smaller.

Perhaps, I will tell you my stats, aged 38, 175 cm = 5'8", at 206 lbs. I was 190 lbs before taking this 1st cycle. sO ABOUT 16 lbs increase, I notice my muscle is harder and firmer.

for time on and time off : IF i take your advice of 8 more weeks of Sus, then my 1st Cycle is 12 weeks. wait 3 weeks before starting PCT for another 4 weeks. 12 + 3 + 4 = 19 weeks. then i should wait for another 19 weeks to pass before I take my 2nd cycle.

Some 4 or 5 months right, during this 4 to 5 months, will I get back to the original pounds, losing muscle [ or muscle / fat ] i have gained during the last month ? I cannot find any postings on this and apprecaite if you will tell me something from your past experience generally.

YES I MUST SAY YOU ARE THE KINDEST, AT LEAST YOUR WRITINGS ARE SO MUCH EASIER TO UNDERSTAND AND TO READ FOR A NEWBI LIKE ME
KB

I read your plan wrong, then. Thought you said four weeks of oral + 8 weeks of Sust. You did not, I see now. If you to run an experimental, go 8 weeks (not months), sure. That means you could begin your next cycle 4 weeks earlier too. But, really, the most common safe AAS cycle is 10 weeks. It's up to you.

Go ahead with Clomid for your PCT, if you wish; however, most of the bros on here run Nolvadex instead. It has fewer side effects and works about the same way. Some run both to cover all bases. It's up to you again.

Yes, with Sust, wait 3 weeks after your last inject so the hormone can clear your system. No use beginning a "post-cycle recovery" until the cycle is over (i.e., out of your bloodstream), right? Four weeks is the usual PCT. I'm old: I run six weeks PCT.

If you don't like injections, bud, you're in the wrong game. If you don't like your testes shrinking with hormone use, then get some HCG & inject 500 iu about once a week or slightly more during your cycle. Phreezer says to do that for 10 days after your last inject and before your Clomid/Nolva PCT. That's another choice. Or you can skip the HCG, though it may take longer to recover normality.

With a 10 week cycle, 3 week waiting after last inject, plus 4 week PCT, you should wait only 17 weeks to get pumped up again, but, again, you should have your natural testosterone levels checked in a lab.

In the off-cycle time, you need to keep the same training routine and same good dietary habits. Yes, you will lose some of the physique you gained, but it's surprising how much remains. It comes back again quickly with the next cycle.

Okay?

Solo

 

[solo47]

Ok so in week one I would take Nolvadex 40 mgs each day for 7 days correct? Than 30 mgs each day week two and so on? Also if I do feel I might be getting gyno how should I take the nolvadex during my standard cycle? Also if I take it during my standard cycle because of the gyno why would I have to take it for PCT shouldnt I take something else?

I expect that you're over 21 and have been training for some time now.

It's generally a good idea to have Nolva on hand during your cycle in case your nipples start acting up. You can start using 20 mg/ED at that point then go down to 10 mg/ED. You can use 10 mg/ED as a preventative measure, if you wish. Nolvadex not only protects the tissue around nipples but it also stimulates the pituitary gland to begin the signal to produce testosterone again through the hypothalamus-pituitary-testicle-axis (HPTA). That's why it's used for post-cycle recovery (PCT). Clomid is thought to do the same thing but in a slightly different way.

Ok, first of all what do mean you add 100 ml of bacteriostatic water?

If you have HCG powder on hand, you can't inject it until you break off the little bottle top and use your slin pin (insulin syringe-needle combination) to add bacteriostatic water (sterile injection water) to it. It's available legally at many drugstores but also can be ordered wherever they sell needles online. To add 100 ml of bac water, you'd need a slin pin with 100 cc.

Second if I wanted to take 500 IU's for 10 days of HCG I would take two 5 ml injections which would add up to 500 (both 250) is that correct?

No, that is not correct. If you read what I so clearly wrote, I suggested you'd inject 1/10 of the total 5000 iu each day for 10 days (usually sub-dermal, just under your belly skin). So that would be 500 iu or 10 ml (10 cc) each day. AGAIN, most of us feel that if you're going to run HCG, it's better to run it during your cycle at about 500 iu (in 10 ml or so of bac water) every 3 or 4 days. You have to make some of your own choices here. You can skip HCG, but, again, that will probably mean living with shrunken balls during your cycle and a slower recovery afterwards.

I am sorry for more questions but this shit is confusing

Perhaps you're making it more confusing than it really is. Are you reading any guidebooks?

Solo

 

[Jon1983]

It's generally a good idea to have Nolva on hand during your cycle in case your nipples start acting up. You can start using 20 mg/ED at that point then go down to 10 mg/ED. You can use 10 mg/ED as a preventative measure, if you wish. Nolvadex not only protects the tissue around nipples but it also stimulates the pituitary gland to begin the signal to produce testosterone again through the hypothalamus-pituitary-testicle-axis (HPTA). That's why it's used for post-cycle recovery (PCT). Clomid is thought to do the same thing but in a slightly different way.

So if I do feel I might be getting Gyno I would take 20 mg/ each day than go down to 10mg each day but for how long?

No, that is not correct. If you read what I so clearly wrote, I suggested you'd inject 1/10 of the total 5000 iu each day for 10 days (usually sub-dermal, just under your belly skin). So that would be 500 iu or 10 ml (10 cc) each day. AGAIN, most of us feel that if you're going to run HCG, it's better to run it during your cycle at about 500 iu (in 10 ml or so of bac water) every 3 or 4 days. You have to make some of your own choices here. You can skip HCG, but, again, that will probably mean living with shrunken balls during your cycle and a slower recovery afterwards.

Ok, so if I were to run the HCG during my standard cycle once every 4 days I would take 10 ml's of HCG bac water once every 4 days until my Test E cycle has finished?

Perhaps you're making it more confusing than it really is. Are you reading any guidebooks?.

Mostly my research has been from forums (stickies) I don't know of any guidebook that explains this information in laymans terms.

again sorry for bothering you with more questions

 

[midstockbear]

HI SOLO

thanks...so much.. This time i will give you two thumbs up instead of one..

actually you are right. I am doing 4 weeks oral [ Winst and D'bol ] and 8 weeks Sust, [ 4 weeks oral stopped already ] and now continue to have the remaining 4 weeks Sust. though you recommend the remaining 4 weeks Sust should be 500mg [ twice per week]. therefore, my 1st Cycle is total 8 weeks only; with the remaining 4 weeks taking 500 mg Sus.

If I calcalate correctly, my PCT should start, 8 weeks + 3 weeks [ wait for 3 weeks after last inject ] = 11 weeks, start on the 1st day of the 12th week, right ?

Yes you are absolutely right, I am going to skip HCG on my PCT and I will only take CLOmid or Nolvadex.; i, will see which one I can get from here.

Off cycle : yes I understand now...I will lose abit but however. wiht your advice, I am sure I will gain back.

Have a nice weekend.....SOLO

KB

 

[solo47]

So if I do feel I might be getting Gyno I would take 20 mg/ each day than go down to 10mg each day but for how long?

Ok, so if I were to run the HCG during my standard cycle once every 4 days I would take 10 ml's of HCG bac water once every 4 days until my Test E cycle has finished?...

This is not exact science. So much depends on your own reactions. If you got signs of gyno, sure start taking 20 mg of Nolvadex each day. If it doesn't help, go up to 40 mg ED until it subsides. If it does not, you may have to abandon your use of gear. If it does subside, I'd go down to 10 mg ED the rest of the cycle just to make sure it stays away. A word to the wise: Arimidex is the anti-estrogen of choice to use during cycle, maybe for next time. It doesn't just protect your nips but also cuts back on estrogen production itself. Too much Adex and you cut back your gains (estro helps muscle building), but a little should lean you out and not stop gains too much. Say about 0.5 mg EOD.

With HCG, yes you would mix up the solution in advance and probably fill each of your slin pins up with, say, 10 ml each (though the amount of bac water you add is up to you). Then you'd have your little supply of filled syringes ready to inject under your belly skin every four days. Some say 250 iu of HCG every four days is enough but I'd go with 500 iu E4D. After your last inject, you could keep doing this protocol until you begin actual Clomid-Nolva PCT or you could ramp it up after your last inject to give the boys a good kick use, say 500 iu ED for about 10 days. You may need your 10 mg of Nolva ED if you do that since HCG also increases estrogen. Stop the HCG when you begin PCT proper.

All clear?

Solo

 

[DravenCherry]

Hi, i am a newbie, i was wondering if by only taking an oral dose of d-anobol would give me good gains or do i need to take all what freezer said in his cycle to get good gains?

 

[DravenCherry]

btw, I only take creatine and high ammounts of protien right now, so would takeing any kind of anabolic steroid be noticebly different to my gains?

i'm not sure if I can edit a post, sorry i double posted.

 

[HDH]

Run the 500mg of Test.

HDH

 

[solo47]

Hi, i am a newbie, i was wondering if by only taking an oral dose of d-anobol would give me good gains or do i need to take all what freezer said in his cycle to get good gains?

"http://www.roidstore.com/d-anabol-25.html", so-called metandesenolone? Son, that's not even real Dianabol, which is methandrostenolone & probably costs less.

IF you're over 21, of sound mind, been training for years, & seriously want a metamorphosis, listen to Phreezer & HDH. If not, why by all means, start popping those d-anabols.

Solo

 

[DravenCherry]

I have a question, why isnt there protien or creatine in this guide? Are we suppose to take these with this cycle as if we were on a normal workout routine? Its probobly a really dumb question but phreezer didn't mention it.

 

[HDH]

I have a question, why isnt there protien or creatine in this guide? Are we suppose to take these with this cycle as if we were on a normal workout routine? Its probobly a really dumb question but phreezer didn't mention it.

This thread is about a first AAS cycle and proper use of anabolics. Just trying to keep it simple. You should checkout our Nutrition / Supplements Forum.

HDH

 

[midstockbear]

hi super moderator

THIS IS MY FIRST CYCLE

. I am doing 4 weeks oral [ Winst and D'bol ] and 8 weeks Sust, [ 4 weeks oral stopped already ] and now continue to have the remaining 4 weeks Sust. and now 5th eek of Sus, 250 mg x 2 - 500 mg.

though you recommend the remaining 4 weeks Sust should be 500mg [ twice per week]. therefore, my 1st Cycle is total 8 weeks only; with the remaining 4 weeks taking 500 mg Sus.

If I calculate correctly, my PCT should start, 8 weeks + 3 weeks [ wait for 3 weeks after last inject ] = 11 weeks, start on the 1st day of the 12th week, for 3 weeks. during this 3 weeks waiting period from teh last shot of Sus 250 mg, i need not to take anything right?

I am going to skip HCG on my PCT and I will take CLOmid and Nolvadex.; i can find both here.
does it matter if I take both of just take Clomid alone as my PCT

so my next cycle will be 17 weeks later. thanks for your input and comments

Have a nice weekend.....

KB

 

[HDH]

hi super moderator

THIS IS MY FIRST CYCLE

. I am doing 4 weeks oral [ Winst and D'bol ] and 8 weeks Sust, [ 4 weeks oral stopped already ] and now continue to have the remaining 4 weeks Sust. and now 5th eek of Sus, 250 mg x 2 - 500 mg.

though you recommend the remaining 4 weeks Sust should be 500mg [ twice per week]. therefore, my 1st Cycle is total 8 weeks only; with the remaining 4 weeks taking 500 mg Sus.

If I calculate correctly, my PCT should start, 8 weeks + 3 weeks [ wait for 3 weeks after last inject ] = 11 weeks, start on the 1st day of the 12th week, for 3 weeks. during this 3 weeks waiting period from teh last shot of Sus 250 mg, i need not to take anything right?

I am going to skip HCG on my PCT and I will take CLOmid and Nolvadex.; i can find both here.
does it matter if I take both of just take Clomid alone as my PCT

so my next cycle will be 17 weeks later. thanks for your input and comments

Have a nice weekend.....

KB

Correct, take nothing for the 3 weeks. If you decide to run just one ancillary for PCT, I would use the Nolva. At the time this thread was started there was not a lot of info on Nolva for PCT. Looks like we might need an update.

As far as your cycle is concerned, It would have been better to run the D-bol for the first 4 weeks and the Winny for the last 4 (meaning start Winny at week 7). The Winny would clear your system the same time as the Sus and the end results would have been more to your liking

HDH

 

[midstockbear]

Correct, take nothing for the 3 weeks. If you decide to run just one ancillary for PCT, I would use the Nolva. At the time this thread was started there was not a lot of info on Nolva for PCT. Looks like we might need an update.

As far as your cycle is concerned, It would have been better to run the D-bol for the first 4 weeks and the Winny for the last 4 (meaning start Winny at week 7). The Winny would clear your system the same time as the Sus and the end results would have been more to your liking

HDH

HI HDH

Super Super thanks anyway.

that means you will recommend Nolva than Clomid. Here NOlva costs alittle more expensive than Clomid. you are suggesting NOlva, only but not both clomid and Nolva. Am I correct ?

My 1st Cycle : I have ended the oral Winny Stanolozol for the 1st four weeks alongside with Dbol. Now, already the 5th week of Sus 500 mg on twice per week until the 8th week, then 3 weeks waiting and then 3 weeks for PCT on Nolva. Therefore, i can only start my 2nd cycle another 14 weeks later. then will take your advice, must say a very valuable advice

hav fun over the weekend
KB

 

[solo47]

Let us know your results, Mr midstockbear, toward the end of your cycle.

Workout hard, sleep well, and eat plenty of protein.

Solo

 

[midstockbear]

Let us know your results, Mr midstockbear, toward the end of your cycle.

Workout hard, sleep well, and eat plenty of protein.

Solo

HI SOLO

yes, i will...i have listed my stats in this thread, being 175 cm and 93 kgs. cannot use this weight as a milestone, since i have already bulked up from 87 kgs to 93 kgs, before i started my 1st cycle. until now, the 5th week of Sus.

HDH suggests me to use Nolva only and not Nolva + Clomid. I guess you are concurring with HDH, right/ I listen to you to skip HCG and arimidex for my 1st cycle.

i have to wait another 17 weeks or so before I can start my 2nd cycle.
much thanks anyway.you are GURU in this site. and teach me alot,.
KB

 

[solo47]

.i have listed my stats in this thread, being 175 cm and 93 kgs.

Whew, you are a bear, aren't you!

Solo

 

[HDH]

HI HDH

Super Super thanks anyway.

that means you will recommend Nolva than Clomid. Here NOlva costs alittle more expensive than Clomid. you are suggesting NOlva, only but not both clomid and Nolva. Am I correct ?

My 1st Cycle : I have ended the oral Winny Stanolozol for the 1st four weeks alongside with Dbol. Now, already the 5th week of Sus 500 mg on twice per week until the 8th week, then 3 weeks waiting and then 3 weeks for PCT on Nolva. Therefore, i can only start my 2nd cycle another 14 weeks later. then will take your advice, must say a very valuable advice

hav fun over the weekend
KB

Yep, Nolva will be fine for this cycle.

HDH

 

[midstockbear]

whew, you are a bear, aren't you!

Solo

hi solo

yes, youre right. I am not a defined muscle type.

Regards
kb