Can anyone please tell me if cyponate (spelling?) will help t heal my shoulder tendonitis that I 've had for 7 months. My urologist put me on the steriod bc my testosterone levels were low. I have not been able to lift for way too long now. I am depressed as hell about it. Although, my mood has improved quite a bit since the doc hit with the cyponate. Good shit for sure. But can it help my rotator cuff tendonitits? Thanks
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will steriods help my tendonitis?
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ChaseQ
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You should post up some of your stats and blood work would be helpful too. Also what protocol the doc has you on.
Then maybe as much details about your injury as you can.
I can give you a general YES to your questions but really theres a lot of possible variables that could come into play.
Then maybe as much details about your injury as you can.
I can give you a general YES to your questions but really theres a lot of possible variables that could come into play.
buddy1
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Probably not
Once your dose goes beyond about 200mg/week, the extra testosterone will weaken your tendons. You should look into physical therapy.
Once your dose goes beyond about 200mg/week, the extra testosterone will weaken your tendons. You should look into physical therapy.
ChaseQ
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Re: Probably not
Thats interesting. Ive never head that. Where did you find that information?
Thats interesting. Ive never head that. Where did you find that information?
Did you get it checked out good ? I have had tendonitis 5-6 times in the pec - delt tie in tendons . It would usually heal in 3 maybe 4 months of not doing the exercises that caused it pain .Every time it was caused flat benching . So I have not done those seriously in years . Funny thing was that flat bench would hurt but I could still do inclines and shoulder presses . One time I had to cut out all chest and shoulder exercises . Tendons get a poor blood supply so they heal slow , it sucks .
newbie23
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Re: Probably not
that is correct
Increase skeletal muscle & collagen synthesis with certain AAS
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(originally posted by AnimalMass)
While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle Clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.
that is correct
Increase skeletal muscle & collagen synthesis with certain AAS
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(originally posted by AnimalMass)
While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle Clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.
Great article. Thanks. My urologist looks like the type of man who will know about Deca and the others mentioned in the article. I will tell him about the tendonitis when I see him in two weeks. I think I just bring this thread to him. Anyway, I have been seeing a pt for several months and progress is very slow.
I just went to a couple of places online that claim to sell HGH. This one site called norxshop sells 10 vials (10 iu/vial) of jintropin for about 800 bucks. Anyone have any experience with buying hgh online? Any opinions on how much hgh would be needed to help clear up this freaking shoulder tendonitis? Christ, I don't no anything about this shit. All I know is taht I want my shoulder back so I lift again. I have never taken any kind of roid until my urologist gave me a shot of cypionate the other day. I just want my shoulder back!!!!!!!!!!!!
ChaseQ
New Member
Excellent info Newbie! Thanks!
So it looks like some AAS can make it worse and some can make it better.
I had a knee injury for a couple years that bothered me. Not bad enough to go to the doc. Anyways I did a cycle with EQ and the knee hasnt hurt in a year!
So it looks like some AAS can make it worse and some can make it better.
I had a knee injury for a couple years that bothered me. Not bad enough to go to the doc. Anyways I did a cycle with EQ and the knee hasnt hurt in a year!
newbie23
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no problem bro-just passing along good info
as far as the jintropin goes-you cant get the real thing anymore-so its either fake-or a knock off
OP slow your roll-make sure you get a good source-especially if your gonna get HGH-there are 2 kinds 191 aa (good) 192aa ( not as good) do your research first
as far as the jintropin goes-you cant get the real thing anymore-so its either fake-or a knock off
OP slow your roll-make sure you get a good source-especially if your gonna get HGH-there are 2 kinds 191 aa (good) 192aa ( not as good) do your research first
You really need to diagnose what you got there with an MRI. You will have to badger an ortho about 3 times to get it.
Shoulder injuries are nasty things. I am assuming you workout, and thus got it that way. Too much bench, behind the neck shoulder presses are the worse for this. Once you injure a shoulder, you really have to stay on top of it to heal it. And the bitch about shoulders is that every night when you go to sleep you fuck it up again...!
Make sure you dont have a tear.. The be therapy would probably GH, and right after surgery, or while the injury is fresh, to better utilize it.
As far as steroids go, stay under 300mgs a week to avoid excessive muscle contractions/pumps. The only issue would be that the increased tension would probably not be good. Muscle protien synthesis is always good, but probably not going to serve a tendon or cartilage type injury all that better than normal..
As far as rehabing a shoulder injury goes. If it does not require surgery, a 1LB jump rope is the best ticket. It will get it smokin back to health in no time....
Shoulder injuries are nasty things. I am assuming you workout, and thus got it that way. Too much bench, behind the neck shoulder presses are the worse for this. Once you injure a shoulder, you really have to stay on top of it to heal it. And the bitch about shoulders is that every night when you go to sleep you fuck it up again...!
Make sure you dont have a tear.. The be therapy would probably GH, and right after surgery, or while the injury is fresh, to better utilize it.
As far as steroids go, stay under 300mgs a week to avoid excessive muscle contractions/pumps. The only issue would be that the increased tension would probably not be good. Muscle protien synthesis is always good, but probably not going to serve a tendon or cartilage type injury all that better than normal..
As far as rehabing a shoulder injury goes. If it does not require surgery, a 1LB jump rope is the best ticket. It will get it smokin back to health in no time....
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