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My doctor, who is a well known neuroendocrinologist tells me 3 whole eggs is ok for me. I eat 3 whole RAW eggs every morning. We didn't talk about eating raw eggs though. I have no time to cook them, and I read that the cooking process changes the protein in some way. Don't really remember how. I take a biotin supp. every other day just to be sure.

I'm waiting to see how my cholesterol looks in 2 months. My numbers were not so good. If they have improved, I'm going to up the eggs to 5 or more a day.

The eggs I get are organically feed, free ranging chickens. I know the source.

My doc has me eating a lot more animal fats as well.
 
NO brainer people need to be eating more animal fat its good for the hormones. Going back to way nature intended us will help to heal. Its not that rocket science on how to rebalance the body.. Its more patient compliance thats the issue. I have one of the best designed eating plans on earth properly calibrated to my individual needs. It does not do a damn thing if you can not absorb LOL. One may look healthy as horse on the outside but cellular its a whole different ball game..
 
You have good and valid points. However I am going to throw the perverbial wrench in. I was discussing the new yogouts, strains, etc with a buddy the other day and he pointed an interesting fact out. We really cant get back to nature in many ways.... You have to considere preparation of food products for mass population. Diary is PASTURIZED. This means heated to the point that no bacteria survive (If I am not mistaken). HELLO, no one has been getting the NATURAL bacteria from milk for however long this is. And hence some problems. CONSIDER EVEN WORSE. The new IRRADITION of food products, where obviously NOTHING NATURE INTENDED is going to survive. THIS IS SERIOUS. The list goes on. These are also areas that I am sure guys like HAN have insights and expertise to supplement/combat.

So we take the good with the bad. Or visa.... Again we are all in the middle of the trickle down the the inevitable UGLY END.. Can somebody please throw that Hail Mary now.....

hardasnails1973 said:
NO brainer people need to be eating more animal fat its good for the hormones. Going back to way nature intended us will help to heal. Its not that rocket science on how to rebalance the body.. Its more patient compliance thats the issue. I have one of the best designed eating plans on earth properly calibrated to my individual needs. It does not do a damn thing if you can not absorb LOL. One may look healthy as horse on the outside but cellular its a whole different ball game..
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never ate raw eggs and have no intention of starting now.

Eggs, yolk + white was a staple of my diet for 30+ years. I eat 4 eggs/day (but only 2 yolks) and usually scrample them. My total cholesterol <170 and Ihave a pretty good hdl/ldl ratio. My HDL stays about 42-50 and I have tred about everything to increase it but it doesn't move much despite 1 hr of hard cardio, etc.

I believe that humans evolved with a fairly high amount of fat in their diet.. They also worked very hard just to stay alive. I am convinced that a fairly high fat diet rich in veggies and fruit is what primitive humans ate and that is what we should eat!!! I also believe that humans need to exercise daily. How much cardio and strength conditioning/day is the question??

If you are one of the unlucky ones (cholesterol problems) then you really need to reduce or eliminate high cholesterol foods.


Most of us should be eating meat/eggs very regularly!!! Omlette anyone??? :D
 
Yea, and thats why so many of us are born with those nice shiny incisors... I am sorry. I just dont recall the last time I looked out in a wheat field and remarked at how tantilizing those grains looked.... LOL Actually we are also unique as we were also given some nice molars for grinding grass. I must say I do love a good pot of collards.... SOAKED IN PIG FAT>>>>:eek:[:o)]

biceps72 said:
never ate raw eggs and have no intention of starting now.

Eggs, yolk + white was a staple of my diet for 30+ years. I eat 4 eggs/day (but only 2 yolks) and usually scrample them. My total cholesterol <170 and Ihave a pretty good hdl/ldl ratio. My HDL stays about 42-50 and I have tred about everything to increase it but it doesn't move much despite 1 hr of hard cardio, etc.

I believe that humans evolved with a fairly high amount of fat in their diet.. They also worked very hard just to stay alive. I am convinced that a fairly high fat diet rich in veggies and fruit is what primitive humans ate and that is what we should eat!!! I also believe that humans need to exercise daily. How much cardio and strength conditioning/day is the question??

If you are one of the unlucky ones (cholesterol problems) then you really need to reduce or eliminate high cholesterol foods.


Most of us should be eating meat/eggs very regularly!!! Omlette anyone??? :D
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vpiedu said:
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i consume 20 to 30+ egg whites a day both raw and cooked and have for years with no issue. i am a ovo-lacto vegetarian which means i eat eggs of course and dairy but i do limit the dairy. 42 years old 6' 240lbs. have have no problem getting over 250 when bulking. doctor says im healthy as a horse.
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1) By only eating the white of the egg you are losing ALL of the nutrients contained in the yolk

Take a look at this table
The Incredible, Edible Egg Yolk

2) Have you had blood tests to determine your essential fatty acid ratios? Have you had a VAP and/or a PLAC test?

PLAC Test for Lp-PLA2 Identifies Heart Attack & Stroke Risk
Atherotech Diagnostics Lab. The VAP Cholesterol Test. Your Heart Partner

3) What exactly does your doctor mean by "healthy as a horse"

4) FWIW - I don't believe that anyone should "bulk up". My feeling is that excess weight increases the amount of visceral fat - that fat that surrounds the internal organs - which is the most dangerous fat to have. Visceral fat is harder to lose than subcutaneous fat because it is more deeply embedded in the body's tissues. Visceral fat is only measured accurately by an imaging machine that can see how much of the abdomen is made up of visceral fat. A person may be within a healthy weight range, but still have too much intra-abdominal fat around the internal organs.

5) l also believe that man is designed to be a meat eater - not factory farm produced meat but grass fed organic meat and deep cold water fish (salmon, tuna, sardines, trout, etc.)

6) Why did you decide to become a lacto-ovo vegetarian?
 
cvictorg said:
1) By only eating the white of the egg you are losing ALL of the nutrients contained in the yolk

i stay away from the yolks because i have a family history of high cholesterol.

Take a look at this table
The Incredible, Edible Egg Yolk

2) Have you had blood tests to determine your essential fatty acid ratios? Have you had a VAP and/or a PLAC test?

i would have to ask my doc but my last blood work was good (about 40 days ago) everything was in normal range.

PLAC Test for Lp-PLA2 Identifies Heart Attack & Stroke Risk
Atherotech Diagnostics Lab. The VAP Cholesterol Test. Your Heart Partner

3) What exactly does your doctor mean by "healthy as a horse"

BP is always around 120/70ish resting heart rate is usually between 60 an 65, blood work always comes back good, and i am pretty lucky when it comes to avoiding the cold and flu.

4) FWIW - I don't believe that anyone should "bulk up". My feeling is that excess weight increases the amount of visceral fat - that fat that surrounds the internal organs - which is the most dangerous fat to have. Visceral fat is harder to lose than subcutaneous fat because it is more deeply embedded in the body's tissues. Visceral fat is only measured accurately by an imaging machine that can see how much of the abdomen is made up of visceral fat. A person may be within a healthy weight range, but still have too much intra-abdominal fat around the internal organs.

i can definitely respect that school of thought and it is also something i should seriously consider being 42 and still training hard. i have not had any imaging done but when i had my blood work done he also checked my BMI which was 12.4 but it was with some little handheld device like a video game controller, i can not attest to its accuracy but was glad it was under 20.

5) l also believe that man is designed to be a meat eater - not factory farm produced meat but grass fed organic meat and deep cold water fish (salmon, tuna, sardines, trout, etc.)

im not gonna say you are wrong or right because i have no idea. i have heard many different arguments for both but i certainly have no problem with strength or size being a non meat eater.

6) Why did you decide to become a lacto-ovo vegetarian?
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dont want to support the meat industry. lived near some hog farms and saw things that stopped me from eating meat right away. turned me from a serious carnivore to a bean eater overnight and i have never eaten any since (over 10 years).
 
cvictorg said:
I'm thinking of switching from eating cooked eggs (omelets) to eating raw eggs

The Health Benefits of Raw Eggs
The Health Benefits of Raw Eggs - A Life Building Food
http://www.helium.com/items/591538-is-it-safe-to-eat-raw-eggs

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Benefits of eating raw meat

Eating Raw Meat

Based on several research studies, and the experience of people who have taken to eating raw meat, the following benefits have been discovered:

Studies have shown that the body digests only raw food thoroughly, not cooked food that produces carcinogenic toxins. These toxins are known to have several side effects on the body.

Several people have found that switching to a raw meat diet, has given them better health, and have reversed diseases that they were severely affected by.

Research has also shown that people who suffer from vomit and diarrhea are the ones who eat cooked food, and not raw food. Apparently, the microbes and pathogens that cause food poisoning are found in the environment, and not in the food itself. This is how perhaps, those who have eaten raw meat may have suffered from food poisoning.

Eating raw meat that is free-range makes it less prone to the development of harmful bacteria such as E.coli and salmonella. This means, the risk of developing disease from such dangerous bacteria is greatly reduced.

According to a research, the amount of E.coli in such meat that is grass-fed is minimal. This amount cannot survive in the human system, and is easily eliminated from the body.
Raw meat that is grass fed, and not grain fed, also has high quantities of vitamins, minerals and Omega-3 fatty acids.

While eating raw meat diet, you have to ensure that the source you purchase it from is a good, hygienic one. Grocery bought meat will never be safe, if eaten raw. Make sure that you acquaint yourself with a local raw meat supplier, identify his sources, and then start with eating raw meat.
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As intelligent as you are, I really hope you're still not considering this.
 
cvictorg said:
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Benefits of eating raw meat

Eating Raw Meat

Based on several research studies, and the experience of people who have taken to eating raw meat, the following benefits have been discovered:

Studies have shown that the body digests only raw food thoroughly, not cooked food that produces carcinogenic toxins. These toxins are known to have several side effects on the body.

Several people have found that switching to a raw meat diet, has given them better health, and have reversed diseases that they were severely affected by.

Research has also shown that people who suffer from vomit and diarrhea are the ones who eat cooked food, and not raw food. Apparently, the microbes and pathogens that cause food poisoning are found in the environment, and not in the food itself. This is how perhaps, those who have eaten raw meat may have suffered from food poisoning.

Eating raw meat that is free-range makes it less prone to the development of harmful bacteria such as E.coli and salmonella. This means, the risk of developing disease from such dangerous bacteria is greatly reduced.

According to a research, the amount of E.coli in such meat that is grass-fed is minimal. This amount cannot survive in the human system, and is easily eliminated from the body.
Raw meat that is grass fed, and not grain fed, also has high quantities of vitamins, minerals and Omega-3 fatty acids.

While eating raw meat diet, you have to ensure that the source you purchase it from is a good, hygienic one. Grocery bought meat will never be safe, if eaten raw. Make sure that you acquaint yourself with a local raw meat supplier, identify his sources, and then start with eating raw meat.
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You might consider that our Paleo ancestors cook their meat over camp fires. So our genetics must be accustomed to cooked meat and not raw meat.
 
OhNoYo said:
As intelligent as you are, I really hope you're still not considering this.
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Well - I've been eating some raw meat for the past 50 years and nothing bad has happened so far - ever hear of Steak tartare

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not against anyone eating raw meat if you choose, if it has worked for you why stop. just throwing out there that our digestive tract is many times longer than those of natural meat eaters. if we evolved to truly be meat eaters why is our digestive tract so much longer than that of meat eaters many times our size? i dont pretend to know why, just throwin it out there.
 
vpiedu said:
not against anyone eating raw meat if you choose, if it has worked for you why stop. just throwing out there that our digestive tract is many times longer than those of natural meat eaters. if we evolved to truly be meat eaters why is our digestive tract so much longer than that of meat eaters many times our size? i dont pretend to know why, just throwin it out there.
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You bring up a good point here. There seems to be many similarities between humans and herbivores.

However, it is interesting to see what happens when you bring the typical non-human omnivore into the equation. For instance, if you look at the usual metrics used to differentiate herbivores from carnivores (e.g. facial muscles, jaw type, jaw joint location, jaw motion, major jaw muscles, mouth opening vs. head size, teeth shape, chewing activity, salivary enzymes, stomach type / activity / PH, intestine length, to name a few), you'll find that none of these metrics can be used to distinguish a typical (non-human) omnivore from a carnivore. However, omnivores do exist, and they do thrive eating plants as well as animal flesh.

If these metrics can't be used to distinguish omnivores from carnivores, why should we believe that they can be used to distinguish humans from herbivores? After all, I wonder how well the typical herbivore would fare if fed a carnivore's diet. I already know that humans will fare just fine (regardless of whether this is diet is optimal). That's why I think it's safe to conclude that people just another variety of omnivore.

That being said, I still applaud you on giving up animal products. I admire your conviction.
 
BBC3 said:
Yea, and thats why so many of us are born with those nice shiny incisors... I am sorry. I just dont recall the last time I looked out in a wheat field and remarked at how tantilizing those grains looked.... LOL Actually we are also unique as we were also given some nice molars for grinding grass. I must say I do love a good pot of collards.... SOAKED IN PIG FAT>>>>:eek:[:o)]
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we got canines too!!!! they are for ????????
 
cvictorg said:
Well - I've been eating some raw meat for the past 50 years and nothing bad has happened so far - ever hear of Steak tartare

Steak tartare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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This is interesting as I wasn't aware of your age since I thought you were younger, but after reading your post with you stating you've been eating raw meat for 50yrs, I took a look at your profile and it said your age (56).

IMO, Idk if eating completely raw meat would be of any benefit in relation to cancer prevention at your age, since cancer takes years and sometimes decades to develop. However, if cancer is something that worries you, frequent physican check-ups as well as letting your physician(s) know your family Hx extremely well is a good route to go. Additionally, even considering replacing meat with whole grains, fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, and legumes may further delay cancer development, or possibly protect you entirely, with numerous antioxidants & phytochemicals in them that combat cancer progression and development. You could simply obtain adequate daily protein from dairy, whether whole foods and/or supplementation, instead of the meat, or eggs. I still would strongly consider buying ONLY pasteurized dairy products though and always cooking your eggs.

Futhermore, you do need to remember various anti-nutrient factors in certain raw animal products, too. However, it is ultimately your decision on what you truly want to do and I know you're a very smart man from your post and you will take the time to analyze pros & cons from both and feel which decision is right for you.
 
cvictorg said:
Meat Eating and Human Evolution | Mark's Daily Apple
In Defense of Meat Eaters | Mark's Daily Apple

Live Healthier: Search results for Humans are meant to eat meat Part 1
http://tj-livehealthier.blogspot.com/2010/03/humans-are-meant-to-eat-meat-part-2.html
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Yes, Yes, and I'm sure that I could find just as many unsubstantiated articles that show that any amount of meat is bad for you. Just like I can find thousands of unsubstantiated articles on the web showing some unknown theory on both sides of any argument. In my opinion, the correct diet is one that has a balance of meats, a moderate amount of grains and few sugars. My opinion is also just as unsubstantiated and useless as yours is. There are various high fat diets, high protein diets and high complex carb diets. They all seem to have some sort of beneficial results, at least in the short term. Which is the correct one? I don't think that any of these radical diets are good in the long term.
 
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