Does Anyone Use Maximus HRT ?

[mac111]

I hear ya on the GH being touchy waters, but one thing I can't deny is it is what is missing from TRT, it compliments it in every way.

HGH has no bearing on TRT, you sound like one of the types who like these type clinics as a supply source rather than what for what TRT is actually about.

 

[newbie23]

HGH has no bearing on TRT, you sound like one of the types who like these type clinics as a supply source rather than what for what TRT is actually about.

oh really. so your saying Growth Hormone optimization isn't important? You dont think it has a bearing on TRT?

I beg to differ, but im not going to argue with you, im not sitting behind a computer guessing, I see what it does for men.

did you know endogenous testosterone production stimulates GH secretion?

 

[newbie23]

Pulsatile GH secretion, which constitutes about 85% of total daily GH production, declines markedly in aging due to selective attenuation of GH pulse size (13, 14, 15). The factors determining this adaptation are unknown but may include an age-related decrease in sex steroid availability, an increase in abdominal visceral fat (AVF), and/or primary age-related neural impairment (2, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21).

Aromatase and 5?-Reductase Inhibition during an Exogenous Testosterone Clamp Unveils Selective Sex Steroid Modulation of Somatostatin and Growth Hormone Secretagogue Actions in Healthy Older Men

 

[hardasnails1973]

Why optimizing sleep patterns allow HRT to work better because it allows the body to advantage of your own natural GH. GH does have a very complementing effect to TRT, but there are ways to work on getting your own body to stimulate it naturally. I know a lot of guys who have been on 10-12 ius of GH perdays and feel better with the GHRP's and other GHRF's. Again this is individually based. Every one body is different. I have found 24 hour urine gh test on line for cheap, and for people with sleep issues I have found correcting the sleep issues signficantly increases over urine test. One can say, you can use the urine test as an indirect method to see if the suggestions you are making are actually working. As the GH is optiminzed then the amount of testosterone may be reduced. Estrogen namely e2 also stimulates IGF-1 signaling as well. This may be one of the ideas where low e2 can cause bone fractures since growth hormone is crucial in bone density as well as estrogen which build strong bones. I tend to approach correcting lifestyles, good sleep hygiene, identify the underlying stressors along balancing thyroid, adrenal and sex hormones (if needed) which all help to give good GH out put. After all these factors are ruled GH i still low, then adding in GHRP or GH may be warranted. Majority of Dr's I know and work with if GH is low after every thing then they will refer out to endo for a GH stimulation test. Just from going to medical seminars over the years and asking medical professionals about their opinon on GH therapy, a lot of them do not want to even go there. Even Endos unless you are the out of range levels low then they will not even prescribe it. For some reason its not like TRT symptoms may be harder to support medically. If one looks at GH deficiency it mimic low T, hypoglycemia, and low thyroid.

 

[mac111]

oh really. so your saying Growth Hormone optimization isn't important? You dont think it has a bearing on TRT?

I beg to differ, but im not going to argue with you, im not sitting behind a computer guessing, I see what it does for men.

did you know endogenous testosterone production stimulates GH secretion?

pray tell me what you know trt treats and why you know HGH is needed alongside?

im on trt and have run HGH for 6mths before alongside it, didnt make any diff to my trt and hasnt affected it now that i havent used it in 18mths.

trt works perfectly well without supplementing HGH.....

 

[newbie23]

pray tell me what you know trt treats and why you know HGH is needed alongside?

im on trt and have run HGH for 6mths before alongside it, didnt make any diff to my trt and hasnt affected it now that i havent used it in 18mths.

trt works perfectly well without supplementing HGH.....

Did i say TRT didn't work on its own? or did I say GH optimization compliments it?

If you think low T causes health problems, do your research on somotapause

if 18 months of GH didn't do anything for you in 18 months, then maybe you didn't need it to begin with.

I would never suggest anyone take unless they had AGHD.

There are a few ways to determine if someone has it, one way is to test Igf-1

If IGF-1 is low, along with multiple other hormones, it can be assumed up to 90% (cant remember exact number) that the patient has AGHD.

or the patient needs to see the doctor and check for unsealing wounds and organ failure.

On top of that if you don't think TRT effects your GH secretion, then you need to re read the study I posted.

Now if people want to keep attacking me, they better have a little more substance to their post than "I tried it for 18 months and it did nothing"

if that is truly the case, then something is terribly wrong with your diet.

Just re read HANS post, clearly he agrees with me, he just believes in other ways to rectify the problem.

As far as what TRT does, Im sure my education level, AND EXPERIENCE in the field, far supercedes yours.

Please dont make post's assuming I think GH treats hypo, its not my fault you think "its separate"

I believe in optimizing all the hormones in your body, just like supplementing vitamins..................

You act like this is my first post, you come in here with half my post count and try to make me look bad...........I am not here to make enemies, but make no mistake, I have a VERY comfortable understaning of how the HPTA works, and I learned a lot of it here at this board.

I have a lot to bring to this board, maybe you should get to know me before you go throwing stones.........

besides you guys act like HRT has been figured out and there is only one way to do things, I can tell you, this information has been around a while, you guys act like it got here yesterday, just cause someone picked up a pen and re wrote in their own words............................

 

[newbie23]

why would anyone take something for 18 months that did nothing? [)]

 

[newbie23]

re read my post and needed to add, there is nothing wrong with GHRH/GHRP, ive done it that way and it works great.

The stimulation of Ghrelin does increase cognitive adaption to changing environments, and I noticed I was sharp.

I can't always handle the hunger though, sometimes its nice cause its a way to control when you eat, sometimes im too busy and can not let the peptides dictate when I eat.

In the real world, its not a one size fits all...........

 

[mac111]

Did i say TRT didn't work on its own? or did I say GH optimization compliments it?

If you think low T causes health problems, do your research on somotapause

if 18 months of GH didn't do anything for you in 18 months, then maybe you didn't need it to begin with.

I would never suggest anyone take unless they had AGHD.

There are a few ways to determine if someone has it, one way is to test Igf-1

If IGF-1 is low, along with multiple other hormones, it can be assumed up to 90% (cant remember exact number) that the patient has AGHD.

or the patient needs to see the doctor and check for unsealing wounds and organ failure.

On top of that if you don't think TRT effects your GH secretion, then you need to re read the study I posted.

Now if people want to keep attacking me, they better have a little more substance to their post than "I tried it for 18 months and it did nothing"

if that is truly the case, then something is terribly wrong with your diet.

Just re read HANS post, clearly he agrees with me, he just believes in other ways to rectify the problem.

As far as what TRT does, Im sure my education level, AND EXPERIENCE in the field, far supercedes yours.

Please dont make post's assuming I think GH treats hypo, its not my fault you think "its separate"

I believe in optimizing all the hormones in your body, just like supplementing vitamins..................

You act like this is my first post, you come in here with half my post count and try to make me look bad...........I am not here to make enemies, but make no mistake, I have a VERY comfortable understaning of how the HPTA works, and I learned a lot of it here at this board.

I have a lot to bring to this board, maybe you should get to know me before you go throwing stones.........

besides you guys act like HRT has been figured out and there is only one way to do things, I can tell you, this information has been around a while, you guys act like it got here yesterday, just cause someone picked up a pen and re wrote in their own words............................

why would anyone take something for 18 months that did nothing? [)]

if yourself and the above retard would like to re-read the post you'll find i stated its been 18ths SINCE i finished a run on HGH and what im saying is it HASNT affected the way my trt works during or after discontinuation.

and oh, retard, the HGH worked perfectly......

 

[mac111]

re read my post and needed to add, there is nothing wrong with GHRH/GHRP, ive done it that way and it works great.

The stimulation of Ghrelin does increase cognitive adaption to changing environments, and I noticed I was sharp.

I can't always handle the hunger though, sometimes its nice cause its a way to control when you eat, sometimes im too busy and can not let the peptides dictate when I eat.

In the real world, its not a one size fits all...........

but not sharp enough to read and comprehend post [)]

 

[newbie23]

but not sharp enough to read and comprehend post [)]

maybe i should get more peps then lol JK

chill out dude, i know what your saying, but i never said GH gives you a woody......... you will see what I was trying to get across one day.

 

[mac111]

maybe i should get more peps then lol JK

chill out dude, i know what your saying, but i never said GH gives you a woody......... you will see what I was trying to get across one day.

i dont need patronising from you either, oh and your peps are a con, if you're stupid enough to think they actually are doing anything then you might want to consider your stance on poking fun at others....

 

[newbie23]

i dont need patronising from you either, oh and your peps are a con, if you're stupid enough to think they actually are doing anything then you might want to consider your stance on poking fun at others....

The potential clinical implications of our findings should not be overlooked. In fact, should these findings be confirmed in larger studies comparing morpho-functional findings and responses with different secretagogs, ghrelin may be a useful additional tool in the diagnostic assessment of patients with GHD. The diagnosis of GHD is established on clinical parameters and assessment of GH secretion, IGF-I concentrations and MRI of the hypothalamic–pituitary region. GH measurement after stimulation with ITT or GHRH plus arginine provides the best diagnostic accuracy (27). Indeed, ITT is contraindicated in patients with CNS disorders and history of seizures and GHRH plus arginine can yield falsely normal responses in patients with either congenital or acquired hypothalamic–pituitary disorders (14). In these conditions, the GHS, including growth hormone-releasing peptide-6, hexarelin and ghrelin, may represent a reliable alternative to the classical provocative tests, provided that appropriate cutoffs are available. The fact that the GH response to ghrelin or its analogs is strongly influenced by the degree of the anatomical and functional impairment of hypothalamic–pituitary connections may be of particular value in characterizing the functional neuroendocrine abnormality. Moreover, it is worth pointing out that ghrelin analogs are also effective after oral administration and that their GH-releasing effect is partially resistant to the negative feedback of IGF-I (2). Therefore, the potential advantages of treatment with GHS remain an interesting matter for future studies.

GH response to ghrelin in subjects with congenital GH deficiency: evidence that ghrelin action requires hypothalamic–pituitary connections

I mean if they want use these secratogues to evaluate a patient, to determine if they have GH deficiency, then I'm sure they work. There is ample proof out there that they work, problem is people don't know how to eat when on them to get the most out of them.

 

[newbie23]

just in case you have a problem with that one.

The present outcomes extend such inferences in older men and women by demonstrating that unvarying sc infusion of GHRP-2 for 1 month augments pulsatile, total, 24-h rhythmic, and entropic measures of GH secretion and IGF-I, IGFBP-3, and IGFBP-5 concentrations.

Sustained Elevation of Pulsatile Growth Hormone (GH) Secretion and Insulin-Like Growth Factor I (IGF-I), IGF-Binding Protein-3 (IGFBP-3), and IGFBP-5 Concentrations during 30-Day Continuous Subcutaneous Infusion of GH-Releasing Peptide-2 in Older Men

 

[mac111]

yeah, keep on dreaming and meanwhile, i'll use the real stuff [)]

 

[newbie23]

im on trt and have run HGH for 6mths before alongside it, didnt make any diff to my trt and hasnt affected it now that i havent used it in 18mths.

yeah, keep on dreaming and meanwhile, i'll use the real stuff [)]

I'm not responding to your post's anymore, its obvious all your doing is throwing unfounded shots at me. have a good day.

 

[mac111]

I'm not responding to your post's anymore, its obvious all your doing is throwing unfounded shots at me. have a good day.

likewise, good riddance......

 

[newbie23]

feel free to let me know when you actually post something of value, and I'm not going anywhere, just not answering your stupid questions anymore.

 

[mac111]

feel free to let me know when you actually post something of value, and I'm not going anywhere, just not answering your stupid questions anymore.

thought you werent replying anymore 'newbie'? [)]

and i dont need any questions answered by you, thats for sure 'newbie'.

 

[newbie23]

thought you werent replying anymore 'newbie'? [)]

and i dont need any questions answered by you, thats for sure 'newbie'.

hahahaha thats it? thats all you got? [)]

this has gone too far, I'm sending you friend request, then you can PM all the comments you want.