Anabolic Steroid Testing Program - AnabolicLab

[KCSMAN]

Millard what are the chances of maybe setting up some kind of donation fund to help test products? Maybe one picked a month or so depending on the donations.

 

[hulkhogan]

Millard what are the chances of maybe setting up some kind of donation fund to help test products? Maybe one picked a month or so depending on the donations.

That would send shivers down the spine of 95% of the sources out there
But it's a very good idea. I would give money for sure.

If anyone has a place in Canada I can go in without too many questions asked PM the location. I want to start testing some stuff and posting results esp. the HGH bullshit going around,.

 

[Millard]

Millard what are the chances of maybe setting up some kind of donation fund to help test products? Maybe one picked a month or so depending on the donations.

That would send shivers down the spine of 95% of the sources out there
But it's a very good idea. I would give money for sure.

I think it is a great idea. It is a service that is much needed for the health and safety of AAS users.

It is quite expensive. I tried something along these lines several years ago:

http://www.anaboliclab.com

I know firsthand how easy it is to piss off sources by testing products.

You wouldn't believe the ends to which sources will go to suppress/discredit anyone who tests their products and finds them lacking.

Just ask William Llewellyn and RonnyT about the reaction to their book "Underground Anabolics".

Threats, DDOS attacks, smear campaigns, etc.

Such a venture would need the full support of the AAS / bodybuilding community.

The black market forces can get ugly.

But then again, I may be up for the challenge

 

[KCSMAN]

i got your back millard. what i am for is the fairness of the sources and buyers. one nice thing about this board is it is not bias. other boards you mention something that you have been shorted or their product is bunk BAM you get banned. testing the products is a great idea. they claim they have so much mg/ml then lets test it. if they are true to their word then they should have no problem getting it tested. they should want this also. i will donate money and product. i am sure people would be interested in results. if everyone could chip in that would be awesome. but like you said it will take the whole community and not just a few.

 

[Dr JIM]

Yea, I'd sure be willing to donate a few buck for such a worthwhile venture

 

[Bigkarch]

milliard, run the part about getting donations and testing out sources products by your legal department....

 

[matthewjasper]

milliard, run the part about getting donations and testing out sources products by your legal department....

big bump man
try to fiend some legit department for gear testing!

 

[Millard]

milliard, run the part about getting donations and testing out sources products by your legal department....

Definitely. Of course, testing should probably be conducted outside the USA. I'm sure Bill Lllewellyn would share his experiences (and probably strongly advise against it - not because of legal reasons but because of the tactics used by disreputable sources).

 

[JonnySak]

Definitely. Of course, testing should probably be conducted outside the USA. I'm sure Bill Lllewellyn would share his experiences (and probably strongly advise against it - not because of legal reasons but because of the tactics used by disreputable sources).

There's been a large discussion on another forum (SilkRoad) about setting something up like this.

It needs to be done in the Netherlands. The government already offers free gcms as public service.

 

[Millard]

There's been a large discussion on another forum (SilkRoad) about setting something up like this.

It needs to be done in the Netherlands. The government already offers free gcms as public service.

Thank you for the info. Is this from the Tor hidden service Silk Road? Could you please send me a link to the anonymous testing discussion? Browsing... I've seen mention of Holland and Switzerland but not details yet.

 

[Millard]

Ok, found this but it is only a walk-in service for domestically-purchased drugs. I wonder if they test AAS too. Maybe our Dutch friends on MESO can add to this? :

No ID required, it's completely anonymous. There are many ex-pats living in Holland, I'm sure that it won't be a problem if you don't speak Dutch.

Basically it's a walk-in service offered once a week at various locations in Holland. You leave a small sample of your pill, blotter, powder or liquid, and get a reference number from them in return. They then send the sample to the test lab. You can walk in or call them one week later for the test results. For some drugs, such as GHB, LSD or Ketamine, it may take a little longer.

They're strictly a consumer-only service and will test up to three samples (or only one if they're very busy) for you at a time. If you bring in more, they assume that you're a dealer and won't help you. Some test centers provide a completely free service, others charge a fee of 2.50 euros. They only monitor the domestic market, so tell them that you bought your drugs locally, should they ask.

Here's a link to the website of the test facility in Amsterdam. The videos showing the testing process are quite interesting to watch, even for people who don't speak Dutch. All info on the website is in Dutch, so not too useful for most people here. Perhaps Google Translate can help you out.

jellinek.nl/informatie_en_advies/drugs_testen

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=9961.msg93545#msg93545

 

[KCSMAN]

i checked it out and there is 3 flags up on the right hand side that you can translate the language to engligh and a couple others but when i hit contacts it stayed in dutch. i did translate it. 3 things come up. one is, would you like to sign up for help and two, questions about our organization and three, are you looking for a specific location and finally four, do you want to work for us. that is what i got so far. i see they test for alcohol, cannabis, cocaine, speed, and ecstasy.

Ok, found this but it is only a walk-in service for domestically-purchased drugs. I wonder if they test AAS too. Maybe our Dutch friends on MESO can add to this? :

 

[hulkhogan]

Definitely. Of course, testing should probably be conducted outside the USA. I'm sure Bill Lllewellyn would share his experiences (and probably strongly advise against it - not because of legal reasons but because of the tactics used by disreputable sources).

Well set up a paypal donation link. Even if we all give 100 bucks a year it will amount to decent money. It is our responsibility to donate if you set this up. Maybe you can charge a membership fee to see the results???

Of course we will also have to donate for anti-DDOS webhosting (you will get attacked and DDOS protection ain't cheap) but if you do this you will BLOW the roof off the industry. You watch how popular it will be and you will see sources shit themselves. You will have more supporters than haters.

 

[mands]

I'm in for a $100 for sure. I think there are some smaller boards doing this through the mods but that practice could prove to be unsafe.

mands

 

[Millard]

Of course we will also have to donate for anti-DDOS webhosting (you will get attacked and DDOS protection ain't cheap) but if you do this you will BLOW the roof off the industry. You watch how popular it will be and you will see sources shit themselves. You will have more supporters than haters.

I know this all too well. This happened to MESO just because we decided to sell Bill Llewellyn and Ronny Tober's Underground Anabolics book (which contained a lot of UGL lab test results)!

Also, in 2004, I had some BD products tested and they didn't all meet label. This is when BD was very popular and lots of people had vested interest in promoting BD. It was surprising how many (and who) tried to dismiss/discredit the lab test results.

 

[Millard]

Well set up a paypal donation link. Even if we all give 100 bucks a year it will amount to decent money. It is our responsibility to donate if you set this up. Maybe you can charge a membership fee to see the results???

I'm in for a $100 for sure. I think there are some smaller boards doing this through the mods but that practice could prove to be unsafe.

I will continue looking into this...

In the mean time - :bump: this thread !

 

[KCSMAN]

i read where williams life was threatened for putting that book out. like i said you have my support on this millard.

I know this all too well. This happened to MESO just because we decided to sell Bill Llewellyn and Ronny Tober's Underground Anabolics book (which contained a lot of UGL lab test results)!

Also, in 2004, I had some BD products tested and they didn't all meet label. This is when BD was very popular and lots of people had vested interest in promoting BD. It was surprising how many (and who) tried to dismiss/discredit the lab test results.

 

[Millard]

i read where williams life was threatened for putting that book out. like i said you have my support on this millard.

That's what happens with the criminalization of steroids. They are pushed further and further underground. And there are a lot of dirty players in the black market.

 

[shamrockbear1]

I rhino it was a great idea what labs would do this? And what is the cost?

 

[RonnyT]

For our book we used NorthEastLabs in the USA, a very good laboratory. Now I use an analytical lab in Switserland that just raised his prices from 185 to 250 euro (strong Swiss valuta) per estrification. Right now I've sent the first samples to a lab in Austria that has a remarkable big databank. They also test immune reactions "in vitro" (normally they used rabbits) . their prices are good but I want to find out if they deliver the results suitable for our purposes.