first cycle help

[mands]

As Dr. Scally stated he is writing two thoughts together I believe. Stating that while on cycle it is good to have some estrogen present. I was just going to write this and Millard beat me to it.

mands

I meant Bill Roberts.

mands

 

[Bill Roberts]

That's okay: it's a fine thing to occasionally be taken for being Millard! Complimentary really.

 

[Chipsam]

Holy crap
I started this thread and now find myself more confused then ever.
My HCG and adex just arrived.
I'm going to use the HCG during the cycle. I have all the PCT for cycle complications and for post recovery.
Thanks for help

 

[mac111]

lulz what? You have an (alleged) medical doctor on this forum stating that arimidex blocks an estrogen receptor, and its ME that is armed with bro science? My sides are hurting I'm laughing so hard. Are you really that stupid? You seem to be in good company.

jagger, absolutely no-one on this board likes or heeds you, why stay where you are clearly not wanted? ive been dragged into afew flames this past few weeks and no more, toerags like you arent worth the bandwidth. to answer your question, im very far from stupid, you on the other hand

 

[Jagger34]

jagger, absolutely no-one on this board likes or heeds you, why stay where you are clearly not wanted? ive been dragged into afew flames this past few weeks and no more, toerags like you arent worth the bandwidth. to answer your question, im very far from stupid, you on the other hand

LOL so you waste bandwidth responding to tell me you will no longer waste bandwidth responding? LOL OK big chief. Or did you just decide that halfway thru your post and couldn't bring yourself to just move along? I hope you feel better now that you've gotten that off your chest princess.

I hate to disappoint you but I could give a flying Irish fuck how well I am liked on an internet forum. Least of all from a self appointed forum spokesperson mouth breathing knuckle dragger like yourself.

If my posts scare you and make you question your own competence you should cease to read and respond to them. Problem solved.

As to your suggestion of leaving, no thanks I think ill stick around for a while. Cheers!

 

[Dr JIM]

Chipsman, I apologize for the needless an ill advised "Jag" diversion, especially since it accomplished absolutely nothing. Nonetheless, let's determine if there is some form of consensus regarding any SPECIFIC question, rather than generalized question you may have.
FIRE AWAY fella!!!!
Jim

 

[Chipsam]

Thanks Doc
I'm just trying to find the best advice for the ancillaries that I have. And involving my first cycle.
I'm planning 750 test e weekly with a 25 dbol daily for first 4 weeks.
I have clomid, adex, HCG and nolvadex for PCT and for cycle complications, should they arise. I'm really trying to find out as much as I can for their best usage for my cycle?
I'm torn between taking the HCG during the cycle or something else?

 

[Jagger34]

Thanks Doc

I'm torn between taking the HCG during the cycle or something else?

Take the hcg during the cycle. This will keep your balls functioning throughout the cycle and will make recovery easier. Discontinue it before your PCT (about 5 days prior). 250 iu twice or thrice weekly is plenty.

750 mg and 25 mg/day DBOL is pretty heavy for a first cycle. I would recommend about 500 mg of Test/week for your first with no DBOL. You will make PLENTY of gains with this and also judge how you react to your first cycle.

No advice on PCT since I am on TRT and don't have a need for it.

Adex should be used about 0.25 mg EOD if you are at 500 mg/week of test. Increase if you begin to notice high E2 symptoms (learn what these are).

Keep the SERM on hand in case you get gyno symptoms during your cycle.

 

[mac111]

Take the hcg during the cycle. This will keep your balls functioning throughout the cycle and will make recovery easier. Discontinue it before your PCT (about 5 days prior). 250 iu twice or thrice weekly is plenty.

750 mg and 25 mg/day DBOL is pretty heavy for a first cycle. I would recommend about 500 mg of Test/week for your first with no DBOL. You will make PLENTY of gains with this and also judge how you react to your first cycle.

No advice on PCT since I am on TRT and don't have a need for it.

Adex should be used about 0.25 mg EOD if you are at 500 mg/week of test. Increase if you begin to notice high E2 symptoms (learn what these are).

Keep the SERM on hand in case you get gyno symptoms during your cycle.

great display of 'knowledge' there, no need for a SERM if an AI is being used.

OP, beware of advice dispatched by trolls and idiots

 

[Chipsam]

I've got 5 pages of notes on a 7 page thread. This has been most interesting.
I think I even experienced some "roid rage" without the " roids" .
But all said and done, I can say that I learned a great deal. Hell, I've been googling and researching terms and acronyms all week trying to keep up with you guys.
What a freaking trip.
Thanks again guys

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Once the f-Testosterone level reaches 200-300, (much lower in some circumstances) pulsitile gonadotropin production begins to recur.
JIM

In the above post, you state, "Once the f-Testosterone level reaches 200-300, (much lower in some circumstances) pulsitile gonadotropin production begins to recur."

What are the units?

Do you not mean tT?

Keenan DM, Veldhuis JD. Age-dependent regression analysis of male gonadal axis. American Journal of Physiology - Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative Physiology 2009;297(5):R1215-R27. Age-dependent regression analysis of male gonadal axis

 

[Jagger34]

great display of 'knowledge' there, no need for a SERM if an AI is being used.

OP, beware of advice dispatched by trolls and idiots

Your understanding of AI and SERM is in the stone age. Yes AI is very effective at preventing gyno. But for those who are predisposed to gyno it may not be adequate. At the point that gyno appears taking more AI is futile and will not act quickly enough. The SERM will act immediately on the breast tissue to prevent further development and shrink.existing lump.

It is very useful for an emergency situation.

Before you criticize someone's post in the future you might want to first make sure you understand what they wrote and secondly make sure you know what you're taking about.

I'm not convinced you are capable of either.

 

[Dr JIM]

I am referring to total testosterone of 200-300 ng/dl which would constitute a free testosterone of roughly 6.0ng/dl. Assuming a tT:fT ratio approximating 100:1 in an otherwise normal 45-55 year old male. Which is consistent with your diagram, is it not?

 

[Dr JIM]

I see my posting typo now. Your right MS it should have reed tT not fT.

 

[Jagger34]

I am referring to total testosterone of 200-300 ng/dl which would constitute a free testosterone of roughly 6.0ng/dl. Assuming a tT:fT ratio approximating 100:1 in an otherwise normal 45-55 year old male. Which is consistent with your diagram, is it not?

6.0 x 100 = 600, not 200-300.

 

[Dr JIM]

Dr S if you have any questions please let me know. Again this is assuming a normal free testosterone approximating 1-2 percent.

 

[mac111]

Your understanding of AI and SERM is in the stone age. Yes AI is very effective at preventing gyno. But for those who are predisposed to gyno it may not be adequate. At the point that gyno appears taking more AI is futile and will not act quickly enough. The SERM will act immediately on the breast tissue to prevent further development and shrink.existing lump.

It is very useful for an emergency situation.

Before you criticize someone's post in the future you might want to first make sure you understand what they wrote and secondly make sure you know what you're taking about.

I'm not convinced you are capable of either.

of which, i am. so who is in the better position to inform here? you're a row starting troll Jagger, that is highly evident in ALL your posts. nolva is never necessary alongside an AI.

you sound like that Det Oak wanker, coincident he was banned here recently?

 

[Jagger34]

nolva is never necessary alongside an AI.

So you're trying to tell me if you are on a test cycle and gyno obviously develops you will just increase your AI? REALLY? Lolololol

If AI's are so effective at keeping estrogen from acting on breast tissue why so you think oncos continue to use SERM in their breast cancer patients genius? Or better yet why so they continue to exist at all? It sure as shit ain't so bodybuilders can use them for PCT lol

Maybe you like having bitch tits to go with your femalesque lack of rationality and emotionalness. Anybody that doesn't want their chest to match their emotions would be well advised to have a.SERM on hand during cycle and use immediately if gyno sets on. There is no denying its superiority over AI in emergency situations.

I would post some studies on this, and I still might when I get a chance, but I doubt you would/could read them anyway.

 

[mac111]

So you're trying to tell me if you are on a test cycle and gyno obviously develops you will just increase your AI? REALLY? Lolololol

If AI's are so effective at keeping estrogen from acting on breast tissue why so you think oncos continue to use SERM in their breast cancer patients genius? Or better yet why so they continue to exist at all? It sure as shit ain't so bodybuilders can use them for PCT lol

Maybe you like having bitch tits to go with your femalesque lack of rationality and emotionalness. Anybody that doesn't want their chest to match their emotions would be well advised to have a.SERM on hand during cycle and use immediately if gyno sets on. There is no denying its superiority over AI in emergency situations.

I would post some studies on this, and I still might when I get a chance, but I doubt you would/could read them anyway.

who said it increases? .5mg eod has been enough on even heavy cycles.

obvious troll is a bad troll, that right The Det Oak?

 

[Michael Scally MD]

So you're trying to tell me if you are on a test cycle and gyno obviously develops you will just increase your AI? REALLY? Lolololol

If AI's are so effective at keeping estrogen from acting on breast tissue why so you think oncos continue to use SERM in their breast cancer patients genius? Or better yet why so they continue to exist at all? It sure as shit ain't so bodybuilders can use them for PCT lol

I would post some studies on this, and I still might when I get a chance, but I doubt you would/could read them anyway.

[Correct] See: https://thinksteroids.com/community/posts/810510