Endurance Cycle

[Race4Glory]

Anyone got any tips for a cycle for endurance and/or recovery? I am going into a program that is INTENSE. However it is 90% cardio. The first 2 weeks is basically 12 hours of straight cardio with push-ups, dips, pull-ups, and situps. No real heavy lifting, but timed rough terrain runs with 75lb ruck sacks. The next 14 weeks are rough, but not nearly as bad as the first 2-3. I talked to a few people who have gone through this program and they said running 7-10 miles per day, stadium runs, dummy drags, more push-ups than you can count, etc... They said it was a nightmare and you will hit your physical/mental breaking point. They also said that recovery is a bitch because 5 days a week. One guy had to call out for 2days because he couldnt get out of bed.

What do you think about doing a test only cycle @ 500mg/wk? I did Phreezer's "first cycle #3" (test, deca, d-bol) last year and the results were amazing. Problem is that there is no way to bulk with this much cardio. I was thinking that the test will help with recovery as well as the extra motivation. I know i am going to loose everything i put on during the last cycle, but will deal with it once it is over. I plan on having my diet dialed too!

Please give me your thoughts.

 

[Race4Glory]

No one???

 

[Race4Glory]

Btw, stats are: 32 years old. 190lbs, about 11% BF. Been lifting for about 10 years,

 

[KBD]

Eq seems to be good at increasing red blood cell count.

 

[solo47]

Why cycle at all, unless you need something to keep you at normal levels? Nothing helps endurance, I don't believe; it's a matter of core will, and that's it.

Solo

 

[buddy1]

12 hours of straight cardio? What kind of program is this?

 

[CleanedAndPressed]

I doubt many of the users here are endurance athletes, and most are body builders, probably some are power lifters. I, personally am an endurance athlete that doesn't need size, strength or speed, but will get injured with the volume of training I go through(not to mention the mental strain). My first cycle was Var only, and I recovered really great. The only issue I had with it was that I was getting painful calf pumps toward the end of the cycle, though it was rather high dose, and that could've been the issue.

I'm now on Test C at 500mg/w exclusively, but have only been on for exactly one week, albeit with a front load of 1g the first week. I still have not felt any difference from the test, unfortunately, though I was hoping that something would've started to kick in due to the frontload by now. I will say that injectibles vs. oral has really sucked for me so far, which you probably won't seem to have an issue with being that you've already tried that in your previous cycle. My question for you, is: when does the injection site pain start to not be so bad? I'm only 3 injections in, with my last 2 injections being leaps and bounds better than my first 1 as far as injection technique goes(ie. injecting slowly over 30 seconds, pre warming the liquid to be injected, etc.), but up to 5 days after my injections, I still can barely get into a squat position without quite a bit of pain. Anyway, I'll check back in and let you know how the endurance will be affected by the test, once it kicks in for me(and hopefully the injection site pain subsides considerably in the mean time as my muscles get more used to it). Good luck with your program.

 

[solo47]

I doubt many of the users here are endurance athletes, and most are body builders, probably some are power lifters. I, personally am an endurance athlete that doesn't need size, strength or speed, but will get injured with the volume of training I go through(not to mention the mental strain). My first cycle was Var only, and I recovered really great. The only issue I had with it was that I was getting painful calf pumps toward the end of the cycle, though it was rather high dose, and that could've been the issue.

I'm now on Test C at 500mg/w exclusively, but have only been on for exactly one week, albeit with a front load of 1g the first week. I still have not felt any difference from the test, unfortunately, though I was hoping that something would've started to kick in due to the frontload by now. I will say that injectibles vs. oral has really sucked for me so far, which you probably won't seem to have an issue with being that you've already tried that in your previous cycle. My question for you, is: when does the injection site pain start to not be so bad? I'm only 3 injections in, with my last 2 injections being leaps and bounds better than my first 1 as far as injection technique goes(ie. injecting slowly over 30 seconds, pre warming the liquid to be injected, etc.), but up to 5 days after my injections, I still can barely get into a squat position without quite a bit of pain. Anyway, I'll check back in and let you know how the endurance will be affected by the test, once it kicks in for me(and hopefully the injection site pain subsides considerably in the mean time as my muscles get more used to it). Good luck with your program.

Frontloading does not speed up the effects; that depends on the ester. Frontloading will probably increase the intensity when the ester does begin to reveal its effects. You should feel it emotionally in week two but you'll probably see no physical changes until week four.

You're doing good injection things, but you may want to read up even more. Choose the meatiest sites. Use a 23" g needle, and for the glutes uses a 1.5" length. Best place is the ventrogluteals or the upper side buttocks. For a 1" needle, the delts and quads will work if you're careful to aspirate. Holding steady and injecting slowly are essential so as not to tear tissue. If you must warm the oil, warm it just a little (certainly never beyond body temperature), and you may massage the injection spot to break up the deposit. The latter two are optional, however. Your body gets used to it and you get better at it, so just ignore the temporary discomfort & work through it. Test C never causes me any discomfort, so I don't know what's wrong. Could you be imagining it?

Solo

 

[BRICK]

RACE4GLORY, EPO had been used by endurance athletes w/ much success. It increases RBC count / hemoglobin, which increase amount of oxygen carried in the blood. It comes w/ a big downside / risk of blood clots, strokes. IMO, not worth the risk to reward ratio espec if you are not an elite athlete. Even then, you'd better be able to pass the drug test for blood doping. Lance Armstrong has been accused for many yrs of blood doping. Apparently he hasn't tested positive but has eyewitnesses / friends who have claims to his 'Blood Doping' : drawing your own blood and freezing it and then transfusing it back in your body later on after your body has replaced the blood lost. Afterwards, you end up w/ a higher blood volume and therefore more RBCs (red blood cells). Inreased blood pressure and risk of blood clots. Equipoise is suppose to safely increase RBC but not nearly in the amounts of EPO or Doping, but then again, every anabolic steroid increased RBC. The jury is still out on whether EQ does a better job

 

[Millard]

Well, if you're using steroids to improve endurance, you don't want to gain any weight. You really don't need very high dosages of androgens for any endurance-enhancement effects.

AAS can help endurance athletes increase hematocrit levels.

Since chronic endurance training suppresses endogenous testosterone production, steroids could help replace natural androgens.

 

[cycleme]

I doubt many of the users here are endurance athletes, and most are body builders, probably some are power lifters. I, personally am an endurance athlete that doesn't need size, strength or speed, but will get injured with the volume of training I go through(not to mention the mental strain). My first cycle was Var only, and I recovered really great. The only issue I had with it was that I was getting painful calf pumps toward the end of the cycle, though it was rather high dose, and that could've been the issue.

CleanedAndPressed, what dosage of Anavar were you taking that you thought may have been too much? After using Anavar, what dosage would you recommend? I have some and have no choice but to use what I paid for.

 

[Pericles]

A small amount of test (200-300 mg/week) and the same amount of EQ, which increases RBC and thus endurance.

Make sure you understand one important thing: More is not better, it will actually kill your endurance.

I have worked with many MMA/grappling/kickboxing guys, where endurance is critical, and when they start to do high doses, they kill their endurance.

The most talented kid I ever worked w/ could have been a heavyweight UFC contender rufused to take my advice (doing 2-3 grams or more a week) and he would gas by the 2nd round.

 

[Millard]

If we're talking pure endurance athletes - not strength/power/fight athletes seeking more endurance - then any dosage resembling that of even the most conservative bodybuilder is overkill. For example, cyclists are happy to pop an Andriol cap. What self-respecting bodybuilder uses Andriol?

 

[cycleme]

I am a cyclist, and am purely looking for some strength gains in the legs with adding the smallest amount of weight possible. My diet is great, and I'm in great (not good) shape. With that said, what dosage would you recommend for a 6 week anavar cycle?

 

[Pericles]

If we're talking pure endurance athletes - not strength/power/fight athletes seeking more endurance - then any dosage resembling that of even the most conservative bodybuilder is overkill. For example, cyclists are happy to pop an Andriol cap. What self-respecting bodybuilder uses Andriol?

With all due respect, fighting is very much an endurance activity. I have seen it many, many times wher someone is technically better, stronger, but his conditioning was sub par and once you hit that wall the other guy...who is not as good as you has gas in the tank ans will own you.

My claim is based upon the fact that I have worked with more than 25 professional MMA/Boxing pros. I also usd to race bikes. For both, endurance is critical. The role of anabolics is to aid in recovery for these type athletes.

Naturally, it is very hard to recover from an hour and a haf of grappling, 1.5 hours of stand up (Boxing/MT) and one hour of conditioning drills (like Cross Fit). The primary role of AAS is to foster faster recovery. You want just enough to do so

 

[Millard]

With all due respect, fighting is very much an endurance activity. I have seen it many, many times wher someone is technically better, stronger, but his conditioning was sub par and once you hit that wall the other guy...who is not as good as you has gas in the tank ans will own you.

My claim is based upon the fact that I have worked with more than 25 professional MMA/Boxing pros. I also usd to race bikes. For both, endurance is critical. The role of anabolics is to aid in recovery for these type athletes.

Naturally, it is very hard to recover from an hour and a haf of grappling, 1.5 hours of stand up (Boxing/MT) and one hour of conditioning drills (like Cross Fit). The primary role of AAS is to foster faster recovery. You want just enough to do so

I agree with you entirely. I am not dismissing the endurance component in those sports at all. Whether it accounts for 20 percent or 50 percent of sporting success, it is still crucial. Having said that, they are still not pure endurance sports. Just like training is entirely different for a UFC fighter than a Tour de France cyclist, PED use would also be different.

 

[Sworder]

I am a cyclist, and am purely looking for some strength gains in the legs with adding the smallest amount of weight possible. My diet is great, and I'm in great (not good) shape. With that said, what dosage would you recommend for a 6 week anavar cycle?

Strength comes from muscle, can't get around that Sir. Anavar only cycle isn't recommended. Try changing your diet if you want small gains which are easily maintainable.

 

[Donzi]

What CROSSFIT??? Agree with Solo. But seeing how u have had success in the past u naturally want the same advantages. My neighbor is a Crossfit nut. He runs Prop. 100mg ED. 600mg eq wk.

 

[cycleme]

Strength comes from muscle, can't get around that Sir. Anavar only cycle isn't recommended. Try changing your diet if you want small gains which are easily maintainable.

My diet is dialed in and I am not looking for any advice other than what would be a recommended dosage of an anavar cycle to help aid me in recovery so I can train harder during the off-season. I hear the anavar pumps can be unbearable and I am already aware of what putting on too much weight can do. For those reasons, I suspect a low dosage is recommended. How low, I do not know, which is why I am here.

 

[Sworder]

My diet is dialed in and I am not looking for any advice other than what would be a recommended dosage of an anavar cycle to help aid me in recovery so I can train harder during the off-season. I hear the anavar pumps can be unbearable and I am already aware of what putting on too much weight can do. For those reasons, I suspect a low dosage is recommended. How low, I do not know, which is why I am here.

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