Medsell.us / pillspharma.com

[skofan]

so, honestly i dont think you are looking for recs.
mostly because you seem capable of logical conclusions, which would have lead you to research through proper channels, and in turn lead you to a certain website on the ".onion".

your previous posts look like someone new to the online world of roids, something i am myself, so i can understand your concerns.

ps. if you're eu, dont use a source from outside the eu, use a euro source, there's quite a few of them.

 

[ChaseQ]

Re: Re: Medsell.us / pillspharma.com

This is now officially the most useless thread in this forum.

Have you guys bothered to look at dealers post history to see the number of sources he has talked about? Holy witch hunt.

True! But it's funny! I think BB and Dealer could do an entire, "Who's on first" bit!

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[Kamala]

This is now officially the most useless thread in this forum.

Have you guys bothered to look at dealers post history to see the number of sources he has talked about? Holy witch hunt.

I could be wrong, but.... when a guy starts an account, throws up the sites, and uses the handle "dealer"?

I dunno, back when I started there were no open source domestics, all there was is guys like this.

 

[attic]

Another reason to not be dragging these sites 'round here: I just spent 20 minutes staring lovingly at pictures of OC's, remembering all the GREAT times i had with a handfull of pills and a needle, and thinking, hmmm, i should buy some for old times sake. Thankfully i pulled m head out of my ass and got a grip- lots of those things being peddled on those pages, combined with my total lack of control, led my life right into the shitter- and the slammer. It blows me away how after all this time my attention can still be diverted by the slimmest possibility. fuckin hell.

Im not sure that the OP was going after recs or not, but im glad to be a part of a community that is interested in healthy living and is not interested in recs.

 

[MANWHORE]

im glad to be a part of a community that is interested in healthy living and is not interested in recs.

I'm also glad to be a part of this community
Who is on the straight and narrow path ...

Just say no to scripts... I mean drugs

The guy who posted these sites on the Rec drug
Forum is also getting yelled at, cause the sites have
Anabolic steroids on them...

"You think we are idiots asshole,..
It's obvious you were interested in these sites
For the Anabolic Steroids on them, and not the
Opiates, which is what this board is all about!" :drooling:

 

[Kamala]

Ordering opiates from Pakistan, is about the most efficient way of getting the Cops at your door that I can think of.
I'd bet money that anything out of pakistan will be searched and tested. Its the source of the worlds heroin/opium supply, and also probably number one on the terrorist watch list.

 

[Stretch]

I could be wrong, but.... when a guy starts an account, throws up the sites, and uses the handle "dealer"?

I dunno, back when I started there were no open source domestics, all there was is guys like this.

On face value I couldn't agree more. But dig a lil.

Did you see the rest of his posts?

Or his response to the accusations about his handle?

His explanations certainly sound plausible to me. I won't say I KNOW he's honest, cause it would he assinine to claim to KNOW anything. That's my problem; the libellous, character assassination that happens here should NOT be an accepted casualty of the war on scammers, simply because it is unnecessary.

Call his ethics into question. Stop saying we KNOW he's lying when we don't. That's all I want. I've been on the other end of it, and it irreversibly changed me.

He's a green noob who didn't know any better IMO. I used shaz when I first started out years ago....they sell recs(never ordered any)...but the oils I got were real.

I quit shaz as soon as I had better options, but when I first started I had 3 options.

1)natural training
2)$100+/vial from gym
3)Shaz

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I used shaz when I first started out years ago....they sell recs(never ordered any)...

Sure you didn't... [)]

 

[Stretch]

Sure you didn't... [)]

LOL. I said I didnt ORDER any recs....not that I didn't purchase any recs.

See my location? Why would I order recs online? I could ship recs to Pakistan and prolly make a profit. [)]

 

[Kamala]

On face value I couldn't agree more. But dig a lil.

Did you see the rest of his posts?

Or his response to the accusations about his handle?

His explanations certainly sound plausible to me. I won't say I KNOW he's honest, cause it would he assinine to claim to KNOW anything. That's my problem; the libellous, character assassination that happens here should NOT be an accepted casualty of the war on scammers, simply because it is unnecessary.

Call his ethics into question. Stop saying we KNOW he's lying when we don't. That's all I want. I've been on the other end of it, and it irreversibly changed me.

He's a green noob who didn't know any better IMO. I used shaz when I first started out years ago....they sell recs(never ordered any)...but the oils I got were real.

I quit shaz as soon as I had better options, but when I first started I had 3 options.

1)natural training
2)$100+/vial from gym
3)Shaz

I don't know if he is or of he isn't.
I do know that if I went on an open source board and did what he did, I'd be flamed and banned immediately.
If I went on a neutral board such as this, I would expect some questioning if I posted up websites using a name like "dealer". Its the exact same thing that 50 other sources or scammers have done on this site in the last month alone.

What you call character assination is what I call the community looking out for itself. Honestly, you've been around long enough to know how the game is played and you know how corrupt it is. There is a right way and a wrong way to introduce yourself IF you are going that route..... Millard himself has said that he is not happy about how many sources come here and are not open about the fact they are a source.
If you don't look at everybody critically in this game, you're going to get burned a lot. The alternative to this approach is the Ologys of the world, the OLM's and PM's...... At least once a year there is a huge scam on each of those boards that costs the members 10's of thousands.



You went through some shit here, but you went through some shit in other places too. There are very good reasons why vets get suspicious about people using different handles on the same board. You could have just paid off a board like most of the unsavory sources, but you took your lumps and proved yourself from what I saw. I respect that.

Far as the recs, do what you got to do i guess........ If all you have is a gym hookup. I'd like to think that its the noobs that benefit from open conversations like this the most, because then they won't take the dumbest chance in the history of chances and order something illegal from Pakistan.

 

[Stretch]

I don't know if he is or of he isn't.
I do know that if I went on an open source board and did what he did, I'd be flamed and banned immediately.
If I went on a neutral board such as this, I would expect some questioning if I posted up websites using a name like "dealer". Its the exact same thing that 50 other sources or scammers have done on this site in the last month alone.

What you call character assination is what I call the community looking out for itself. Honestly, you've been around long enough to know how the game is played and you know how corrupt it is. There is a right way and a wrong way to introduce yourself IF you are going that route..... Millard himself has said that he is not happy about how many sources come here and are not open about the fact they are a source.
If you don't look at everybody critically in this game, you're going to get burned a lot. The alternative to this approach is the Ologys of the world, the OLM's and PM's...... At least once a year there is a huge scam on each of those boards that costs the members 10's of thousands.



You went through some shit here, but you went through some shit in other places too. There are very good reasons why vets get suspicious about people using different handles on the same board. You could have just paid off a board like most of the unsavory sources, but you took your lumps and proved yourself from what I saw. I respect that.

Far as the recs, do what you got to do i guess........ If all you have is a gym hookup. I'd like to think that its the noobs that benefit from open conversations like this the most, because then they won't take the dumbest chance in the history of chances and order something illegal from Pakistan.

If you went on an open source board and asked for a review you would get banned?

I agree with everything your saying. The concepts at least.

I just don't think anyone should call someone a liar, cheat, or thief without proof. Look out for the community by calling them on the things we do KNOW they are doing wrong. Like being completely retarded. Or too inexperienced to trust with your freedom.

The "community" should be intelligent enough not to order from a source if he posts up, and 4-5 vets respond with legitimate misgivings/issues with the business practices. Why do we have to prematurely call them liars?

Do you think if respected vets all said: "stay away because your freedom is at risk ordering with these idiots"....people would be more apt to listen than if those same vets engaged in cock measuring and presumptive accusations? Accusations which IMO are the result of a jaded individual projecting thievery onto any source that is simply stupid.

You yourself accused the company I represented with this type of language.....told me we were shilling....you specifically used the words "I know..." and "..don't treat me like I'm stupid"

I know you're not stupid, and I consider you a friend in this forum world, but you were 1000% dead wrong. That company did not employ shills, and even went as far as to publicly denounce an overzealous customer who thought he could help with....shillery(?)

Yeah, I did take my lumps. That sounds way too dramatic.....I was insulted online....ooooh. lol. It wasnt that bad, but during that period, periodically a vet would PM me their support. Well, as much as I appreciated the gesture, every one of you who PMd your support without ever POSTING that support, is a bitch. Afraid to speak your genuine opinion because you might be branded a shill. Nothing made me more angry during my time as a rep than those PMs.

.....okay...Jim did, but besides Jim...those PMs take the cake.

Guys were afraid they wouldn't be part of the "community" if they pissed off the wrong people. This "community" looks more and more like a snobbish country club to me

 

[dealer]

Hey all..

I just read all this.

Indeed I am a dumb noob. Started researching last December only but I had some experience when I read Duchanes book about 10 years ago.

I also have to admit now that this was the perfect storm. Fishy handle. Fishy sites. I clearly see the reason I was chewed up.

I did dish out some sarcasm, I am no angel, so I did instigate some of this back and forth BUT I think the chewing was excessive. I even apologized and tried to back off (post #9). Some people are taking joy in this chewing, being excessive, and I think thats where the problem is ( i read this forum on my phone all day btw). Of course we need to police and protect others but there are lots of legit users on here with feelings (yes i said feelings.. get over it you know you have them).

There are too many unique circumstances to generalize it but before we rip someone a new hole lets due a little due diligence if available (read posts). If they have no history lets call them out but use a little more class.

I personally appreciate a board like this in any case because I can get schooled and taught vs other boards where you post this stuff ( other boards have rules that don't allow you to post a source ) and you'd get banned instantly.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

On face value I couldn't agree more. But dig a lil.

The onus shouldn't be on Meso members to have to investigate a noob or "dig a lil." On the contrary it's the new member that has an obligation to prove that he is trustworthy to us. Promoting a source sure won't help him do that.

Did you see the rest of his posts?

Or his response to the accusations about his handle?

Words are meaningless in situations like this. Every successful scammer I've ever seen has been pretty damn convincing. That's why they're succesful scammers..

His explanations certainly sound plausible to me. I won't say I KNOW he's honest, cause it would he assinine to claim to KNOW anything. That's my problem; the libellous, character assassination that happens here should NOT be an accepted casualty of the war on scammers, simply because it is unnecessary.

Stretch, they're posting under a newly made-up fictitious name on the internet! They're a phantom. How can you possibly assinate the character of a phantom? You can't. If a noob is wrongly accused and he feels his alias has be irreparably damaged, he can simply open a new account and start fresh with a new alias. He can't lose anything by doing that because he doesn't have anything to lose to begin with.

Call his ethics into question. Stop saying we KNOW he's lying when we don't. That's all I want. I've been on the other end of it, and it irreversibly changed me.

Like I said above, the noob has no history or status on Meso to lose. You on the other hand, did. You can't compare your experience with an unknown who just landed here. It's not the same thing at all.

He's a green noob who didn't know any better IMO.

Maybe he is a green noob or maybe he isn't. If he is just a green noob, so what! Life's tough. Hopefully he learned a lesson. There's a right way and a wrong way to do things in this business and on these boards. He can choose if he wants to man-up and admit his error, or make a new account, or maybe he'll just leave. Again, so what! It's not like we can actually hurt them. Well, BB might but that's not the point

AFAIC, scaring off a *tiny* percentage of innocent noobs that appear shady is a small price to pay if it will prevent the good members of Meso from losing their hard-earned money to the multitude of scammers out there.

Now butch up and roust those shady noobs! You're from Detroit, damn it! Start acting like it.

 

[skofan]

ok, i got to agree with both stretch and cbs.

it does feel a little overdone when someone asks for information, and everyone jumps on them, would be nice if they jumped on the source instead.

and dealer, i agree with cbs too, you can change your handle, and right now, you have nothing to loose from it, but everything to gain. being new, feeling your pain, and believing what you said, ill cut you a deal.
if you change your handle, pm me who you are from the new one, and lay off the source talk for a while, then ill tell you who came through for me.
personally i would state publically that i changed handle, and take the heat. even though its probably a pretty bad idea, im stupid like that. just, at least dont lie if someone asks you.

 

[regular]

opcorn:

 

[dealer]

Skofan I know I can "reinvent" myself with a new name but I've always liked to suffer (school of hard knocks) and be an outlier.

I don't think anyone will hold this thread against me if I ask another question perhaps revolving around AI's, doses, cycle doses etc. I asked a legit question thats allowed on this board but the circumstances around my posting were suspicious and the community checked me.

I know there has been a big debate lately on how to treat noobs and people in general, I am just collateral damage really.

Vets and Seniors don't have to bother checking the entire post history of the person of course but there is still a point where its excessive and not necessary. Its nice that some people gave me the benefit of the doubt because if we were all assholes then this world would be a crappy place. Also for the record I did apologize but it didnt really help.

I can make my point by screaming or being stern. Personal choice really but civility is not something thats common on the internet. We are all jiu-jitsu black belts and professional muay thai fighters here with hot girlfriends, lots of money and really fit on the internet. If we all ever were to sit down and face each other with our handles on our t-shirts it would be a totally different dynamic.

It is what it is. Bored of this thread already. Unless someone chooses to bash me then I might start back up again.

ok, i got to agree with both stretch and cbs.

and dealer, i agree with cbs too, you can change your handle, and right now, you have nothing to loose from it, but everything to gain. being new, feeling your pain, and believing what you said, ill cut you a deal.
if you change your handle, pm me who you are from the new one, and lay off the source talk for a while, then ill tell you who came through for me.
personally i would state publically that i changed handle, and take the heat. even though its probably a pretty bad idea, im stupid like that. just, at least dont lie if someone asks you.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

We are all jiu-jitsu black belts and professional muay thai fighters here with hot girlfriends, lots of money and really fit on the internet.

I see you've already met... oh, nevermind.

 

[Kamala]

If you went on an open source board and asked for a review you would get banned?

I agree with everything your saying. The concepts at least.

I just don't think anyone should call someone a liar, cheat, or thief without proof. Look out for the community by calling them on the things we do KNOW they are doing wrong. Like being completely retarded. Or too inexperienced to trust with your freedom.

The "community" should be intelligent enough not to order from a source if he posts up, and 4-5 vets respond with legitimate misgivings/issues with the business practices. Why do we have to prematurely call them liars?

Do you think if respected vets all said: "stay away because your freedom is at risk ordering with these idiots"....people would be more apt to listen than if those same vets engaged in cock measuring and presumptive accusations? Accusations which IMO are the result of a jaded individual projecting thievery onto any source that is simply stupid.

You yourself accused the company I represented with this type of language.....told me we were shilling....you specifically used the words "I know..." and "..don't treat me like I'm stupid"

I know you're not stupid, and I consider you a friend in this forum world, but you were 1000% dead wrong. That company did not employ shills, and even went as far as to publicly denounce an overzealous customer who thought he could help with....shillery(?)

Yeah, I did take my lumps. That sounds way too dramatic.....I was insulted online....ooooh. lol. It wasnt that bad, but during that period, periodically a vet would PM me their support. Well, as much as I appreciated the gesture, every one of you who PMd your support without ever POSTING that support, is a bitch. Afraid to speak your genuine opinion because you might be branded a shill. Nothing made me more angry during my time as a rep than those PMs.

.....okay...Jim did, but besides Jim...those PMs take the cake.

Guys were afraid they wouldn't be part of the "community" if they pissed off the wrong people. This "community" looks more and more like a snobbish country club to me

From what I've seen of the way you operate you seem like a standup guy to me.
As far as you still being upset, I really don't know what to tell you. It wasn't just me that was skeptical, and it wasn't just this board either.
If I used those words it was because of a situation that was already discussed...... You got the exact same reaction on another board when it came out. People felt that you were being dodgy, and thruthfully 99% of the guys that do what you were doing have a really shitty ulterior motive. I've seen it play out to many times to count.

As far as the community, to each his own I guess. I like it here because of the transparency, and I feel that the truth has always come out in the end based on the open discussions.
I can kind of understand why you're still pissed off, but I think the bigger picture is that you basically ran the gauntlet here and came out better for it.

I know I've already said it a million times, but the alternative to open discussion is a censored board. You've been around a long time, and you know how that plays out and its not in favor of the noobs or the community.
There are people putting up ads here every day, site links, throwing names around etc etc...... How do we determine who is and isn't legitmate? Should the honus be on the board members or on the Rep? Personally, I feel that its on the rep.

And yes, depending on the open source board I would be flamed and banned IMHO...... if its a "sponsored" brand everybody will run to say how great it is, if its a rival then yeah, out comes the ban hammer...... That is if I went about it like OP, and threw up links and used the handle "dealer".

 

[Stretch]

From what I've seen of the way you operate you seem like a standup guy to me.
As far as you still being upset, I really don't know what to tell you. It wasn't just me that was skeptical, and it wasn't just this board either.
If I used those words it was because of a situation that was already discussed...... You got the exact same reaction on another board when it came out. People felt that you were being dodgy, and thruthfully 99% of the guys that do what you were doing have a really shitty ulterior motive. I've seen it play out to many times to count.

As far as the community, to each his own I guess. I like it here because of the transparency, and I feel that the truth has always come out in the end based on the open discussions.
I can kind of understand why you're still pissed off, but I think the bigger picture is that you basically ran the gauntlet here and came out better for it.

I know I've already said it a million times, but the alternative to open discussion is a censored board. You've been around a long time, and you know how that plays out and its not in favor of the noobs or the community.
There are people putting up ads here every day, site links, throwing names around etc etc...... How do we determine who is and isn't legitmate? Should the honus be on the board members or on the Rep? Personally, I feel that its on the rep.

And yes, depending on the open source board I would be flamed and banned IMHO...... if its a "sponsored" brand everybody will run to say how great it is, if its a rival then yeah, out comes the ban hammer...... That is if I went about it like OP, and threw up links and used the handle "dealer".

I wouldn't add or subtract anything from this.

Thanks for the kind words.

I never thought you were direspectful with your skepticism. You figured you knew what was happening....but you were still giving me a chance, (otherwise you wouldn't have been responding to my PMs).

You tossed a healthy dose of skepticism my way, as did many others, but you did it with class. First you made a very logical assumption about my actions, and then you seemed to step back and consider the possibility of my veracity. This is exactly what I hope to see from other more ignorant members of the community. I noticed, and appreciated it. It would have been nearly impossible not to notice, given how rarely it occurred.

Regular was another who was very fair with me, and I should have thanked him for it by now.


EDIT: I lied when I said I wouldn't change anything. I hate the word "upset" the way you used it. Makes it sound like I need a tampon change. Take the gloves off; I like brutal honesty, do I sound like I'm bitching? I need to examine the vernacular of my posts if so, because I am conveying false emotions. I was pissed. Now I am determined to call out those who make unsubstantiated accusations.

Pissed~determined.Those are the only emotions I wish to convey.

 

[okervanci]

Pillspharma is fake, unfortunately poor Pakistan people steal europeans and americans money giving promises about meds.

There is a man called ATTIA ISHAAQ, Don't sent any money to this man. He is stealer.

Anyone used or know of these 2 sources ?

Medsell.us and pillspharma.com

I know someone who ordered from medsell and got his gear but he didnt run any blood work to verify.

I know medsell is out of Pakistan (where roids are legal)

Thanks