a long term unconventional HRT/TRT regimen with tren and test

[thrombus]

Or better yet call it cyclical TRT with a little Tren and Mast on the side:drooling:

This is all beginning to resemble the story of the newlyweds who, before having sex, fell asleep after a long discussion of what to name their first born.


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[Michael Scally MD]

I agree with the tenor of these comments and accept that TRT is a medical term. This is the primary reason that I avoid labeling my experiment as TRT. And, yes, the effects of Tren are different from those of Test, that is the reason the experiment was undertaken.

Fair enough, but an important distinction is that most guys consider restoration of youthful testosterone levels as a means to an end and not the ultimate goal itself. The ultimate goal for these guys is youthful androgenic and anabolic action. Some are realizing that the combination of compounds at low levels may present the best opportunity to achieve this goal with the least amount of health compromises.

This concept, likewise, either lands softly on the open mind, or not.

This is all beginning to resemble the story of the newlyweds who, before having sex, fell asleep after a long discussion of what to name their first born.

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Well, what is your opinion other than it is a worthy discussion?

I think it is a very difficult one considering there are no human trials for "TRT." Also this is compounded it is a NON-APPROVED AAS. IIRC, this is true worldwide. So, any thoughts on its use will mostly, if not entirely, come from the users of AAS.

FWIW: I did a Meso search for the term "trenbolone." The result in pages was ~2200:80::SF:MF. Also, I thought I saw an earlier thread on this topic. I will go back and try to locate.

 

[thrombus]

Well, what is your opinion other than it is a worthy discussion?

I think it is a very difficult one considering there are no human trials for "TRT." Also this is compounded it is a NON-APPROVED AAS. IIRC, this is true worldwide. So, any thoughts on its use will mostly, if not entirely, come from the users of AAS.

FWIW: I did a Meso search for the term "trenbolone." The result in pages was ~2200:80::SF:MF. Also, I thought I saw an earlier thread on this topic. I will go back and try to locate.

My opinion is that my own experiment will continue. My results have been quite satisfactory over the 8 week period ( I can post more details from home when I can access my log). My preliminary thought is that those who react poorly to high testosterone levels (me) have the most to benefit from experimentation with low dosages of a Tren/Test combination.

Yes, there is another similar thread that also got bogged down by terminology.


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[Dr JIM]

Yes DOC there WAS and earlier "Tren TRT" thread, in fact Millard posted the same animal study as yourself.

There was even another "TRT" thread BUT the discussion began on Deca which if I recall correctly evolved to include Tren.

Identical arguments were made on both sides of the debate, IMO.

For the life of me I don't know why it's so disconcerting to the few whom would rather refer to "TESTOSTERONE Replacement Therapy"
as TRENBOLENE Replacement Therapy?

I give up! Go for it guys!

 

[angelfriend]

Yes DOC there WAS and earlier "Tren TRT" thread, in fact Millard posted the same animal study as yourself.

There was even another "TRT" thread BUT the discussion began on Deca which if I recall correctly evolved to include Tren.

Identical arguments were made on both sides of the debate, IMO.

For the life of me I don't know why it's so disconcerting to the few whom would rather refer to "TESTOSTERONE Replacement Therapy"
as TRENBOLENE Replacement Therapy?

I give up! Go for it guys!

I understand your reasoning Dr JIM and no one is asking you to make a Dx of trenbolone deficiency (I actually have an anadrol deficiency).

 

[Jagger34]

Well looks like I haven't missed out on much during my sabbatical from this site...

5 pages of semantics? Jesus Christ...is the sky also not blue, its actually clear? I am pretty sure anybody that is capable would figure out what his intent was if they just closed their eyes and thought real hard for 2-5 seconds....

 

[wes_mantooth]

I inject the test cyp for my TRT subcutaneously twice a week. Could you inject the tren sub-q as well?

How much test would you be comfortable with pinning sub-q every day?

 

[thrombus]

I inject the test cyp for my TRT subcutaneously twice a week. Could you inject the tren sub-q as well?

How much test would you be comfortable with pinning sub-q every day?

My reason for sub-q injection of test is to slow the absorption and, therefore, theoretically result in less conversion to estradiol. Since there is no conversion of tren to estradiol, there is reason for sub-q injection, though there appears little reason why you shouldn't if it is your preference/convenience.


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[foreveryoung]

I'm pretty lean but often use a 5/8" pin and haven't run into any problems and overall happy with that

 

[wes_mantooth]

My reason for sub-q injection of test is to slow the absorption and, therefore, theoretically result in less conversion to estradiol. Since there is no conversion of tren to estradiol, there is reason for sub-q injection, though there appears little reason why you shouldn't if it is your preference/convenience.


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Yep, in my case it's just because I'm already injecting test, HCG, peptides, or something every day so I'd rather just stick with sub-Q if I have to pin every day anyways.

 

[foreveryoung]

e4d injections of approx. 65mg test cypionate and 65 mg tren acetate

I will probably get tren enanthate soon to see how that works out, but with the acetate overall lately it is working well, I do feel a bit of a rise and fall which is most noticeable in perceived body temperature, but pretty much a continual feeling of good well being throughout the week so maybe there is something good about the small rise and fall of the tren over top of a more steady base of moderate levels of testosterone

 

[Gunrunner]

e4d injections of approx. 65mg test cypionate and 65 mg tren acetate

I will probably get tren enanthate soon to see how that works out, but with the acetate overall lately it is working well, I do feel a bit of a rise and fall which is most noticeable in perceived body temperature, but pretty much a continual feeling of good well being throughout the week so maybe there is something good about the small rise and fall of the tren over top of a more steady base of moderate levels of testosterone

Maybe a little Mast while your at it. I've been using a base of 200mg Test C a week and Tran A at 25mg, Mast P at 25mg EOD and it is working nice. I'm cyclical though and not going non-stop.

I'm also thinking of going to TrenE and I don't know if they have MastE, but I would think this would be a good combo for my next cycle.

 

[beezil]

Maybe a little Mast while your at it. I've been using a base of 200mg Test C a week and Tran A at 25mg, Mast P at 25mg EOD and it is working nice. I'm cyclical though and not going non-stop.

I'm also thinking of going to TrenE and I don't know if they have MastE, but I would think this would be a good combo for my next cycle.

drost in ethane is available.

just harder to find.

 

[foreveryoung]

Maybe a little Mast while your at it. I've been using a base of 200mg Test C a week and Tran A at 25mg, Mast P at 25mg EOD and it is working nice. I'm cyclical though and not going non-stop.

I'm also thinking of going to TrenE and I don't know if they have MastE, but I would think this would be a good combo for my next cycle.

I was using masteron not that long ago, I am going to avoid it due to hair shedding mostly

also my concept now is minimal test to provide a baseline, with a little more tren on top of it, no need for an AI

 

[Millard]

e4d injections of approx. 65mg test cypionate and 65 mg tren acetate

I will probably get tren enanthate soon to see how that works out, but with the acetate overall lately it is working well, I do feel a bit of a rise and fall which is most noticeable in perceived body temperature, but pretty much a continual feeling of good well being throughout the week so maybe there is something good about the small rise and fall of the tren over top of a more steady base of moderate levels of testosterone

I was using masteron not that long ago, I am going to avoid it due to hair shedding mostly

also my concept now is minimal test to provide a baseline, with a little more tren on top of it, no need for an AI

I wondered why the masteron didn't work out. But tren is often blamed for even worse hair loss problems?

Any reason you didn't start off with enanthate esters of either to begin with? I'm not sure what benefit such fluctuations of acetate esters could have?

 

[beezil]

I was using masteron not that long ago, I am going to avoid it due to hair shedding mostly

also my concept now is minimal test to provide a baseline, with a little more tren on top of it, no need for an AI

are you predisposed to MPB?

i have noticed no shedding on tren or mast… IME.

i also stay with low doses.

 

[foreveryoung]

are you predisposed to MPB?

i have noticed no shedding on tren or mast… IME.

i also stay with low doses.

didn't think I was predisposed, made it to about a half century old without much receding, but the last go with masteron and test my hair really starting shedding out, don't seem to be having the same problem with tren

I had tren acetate on hand already, haven't gotten around yet to get some enanthate

 

[DieYoungStrong]

I just got some mast e. I'm breaking my own rule of running short esters of new compounds though. I like to be able to get it out of my system quicker if the sides don't agree with me. Also, i handled tren just fine many times, so I'm not that worried about the mast. Should be fun.

 

[foreveryoung]

I wondered why the masteron didn't work out. But tren is often blamed for even worse hair loss problems?

I wouldn't rule out experimenting with masteron again, if I did try it again I would probably go with low test dose (max of 100mg a week) with the masteron and no AI

right now tren and a low test dose with no AI is working really well for me, so I think as far as the testosterone replacement/AAS side of things this has me on a good track

 

[foreveryoung]

starting today I am adding masteron back into the mix, low dose tren, low dose test, low dose masteron

will see how this synergy works out