Humana life group

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Re: censored board sucks = old scammer

Also I am pretty good friend with the best guys here. For years now.
HeavyIron,Rein,BigRobbie. (Most mods or have been i think here)
Will any of the above vouch for you?

Irrelevant

maybe I should hit them up for your Ip. The forum mods in the community stay in pretty good toucvh with one another. I am in private forum you have never known or heard of you one year rookie Putz!
Do you use a Hide my ass or TOR IP?

Threats!? What a joke you are.

Tell you what, Mod. Track down my IP and see what it gives you.

In fact, I'd like to know for personal reasons how secure my "info" is at Meso. I do not believe Millard would condone what you're suggesting his mods do, but you never know, so I'm interested in finding out.

I am trying to draw you in?
By pointing out a FACT? The Fact you are hiding your forum history.
The Only Fact that has been posted in this thread.

You're trying to draw me into a straw man argument about my identity that is irrelevant to you answering my questions.

And please! You're hiding your identity as well. Please don't tell me your board handle "rajjin" is your identity. GROW THE FUCK UP! What are you? Some kid playing make-believe? Everyone is anonymous here unless they choose to reveal their identity to someone.

Here is another fact. Your Guy Big Ben here you go on and on about?
Ask him if he does any re-selling? If He makes a profit from the community
by selling products he buys and marks up to his "friends"
Do you see me doing that?? Hell no I wake up and go to work each day.

Irrelevant

Congrats you found the only forum with no rules, and you try to rule it! lol
A Misfit handle for a Misfit forum section with no rules.
I imagine everywhere else your unwanted. Probably good for activity here though.

Irrelevant

If you have any direct questions I will be glad to answer.
But I can see with you there is no rite answer on my end, and this could go on forever. I'm not going to let that happen, or fall into YOUR little game.

Why don't you try answering them instead of jumping up and down, pounding your fists like a child that was just scolded for crossing the street without looking both ways?

I answered your question on Alin. was there more? Syntherol?
I have used it myself. Many pro and national level bodybuilders also use it. So what?

Not what I asked. Try to keep up

Your trying to blame me for anything and everything you can think of lol. Guess what? there is nothing.

The only thing I've blamed YOU for is evading my questions by creating a strawman. Again, we're back to your poor reading comprehension.

I told you already in the history of all my time I have never "repped" or pushed anyone to buy anything. FACT.

What do you call using your position as mod to bump a sponsor's thread with comments like "the best there is" or "nobody does it better?" Sure sounds like pushing to me. The problem with guys on the scammer boards is you are so isolated from the real world, you live in an alternate reality --- a reality that allows you to truly believe you're not pushing sources even when you are. A reality like the one in which Wile E. Coyote can run off a cliff but not fall until he looks down.

I get Paid Nothing for modding proMuscle. Not From BigA not from any sponsors, not from any member.

I doubt that is true but I know for a fact mods and vets are given free gear in exchange for positive reviews. Please don't insult my intelligence by denying it.

Anymore questions?

Again, all of them. Please read them over closely this time before "not" answering again. If you need assistance with their meaning, you can ask someome for help. I'll wait.

-Please explain why Alin is known everwhere on the net as a selective scammer except at promuscle, where he's considered the best source that ever lived.

-Please explain why you believe it is acceptable for mods at PM to push sources. And why is it acceptable for Andre to tell scam victims he doesn't have time to help them with their "illegal drug deals" that are often made because his mods pushed noobs towards a particular source?

-Why it is acceptable for vets to shill for sources for free gear without disclosing that fact?

-Why are comments about sources deleted when they are negative, but comments from shills allowed to stay?

-Why does PM push syntherol and tell members it actually "builds muscle," when in reality, there is no evidence SEO's do anything more the artificially increase muscle size while putting the user at risk of sclerosing lipogranulomatosis and its progression may lead to irreversible muscle loss?

 

[rAJJIN]

I was just looking over the forum.
The sponsor section is only a small part.
And for sure nobody is forced to visit or use it.
Sponsors (214 Viewing)

The main forum is what makes proMuscle.
As I mentioned before, How many forums have Olympia competitors on stage?
(i was wrong before we had 4 there, not one) Including Flex Lewis who is a member of the site... And won the 202
How many have guys or a ladies turning pro each year, or placing in top 5 aty the biggest national level shows? Does Eroids have that
Professional Muscle Forum (9625 Viewing)

 

[Stretch]

Often a small group on the smaller boards say that about PM.
I never understood it. you do not think there are Any good sources there?
Who do you feel is going to bend you over?

No one is going to bend me over anymore. Alin did on my first ever online purchase. I like PM because of the 'other' info that is there. I ignore the source related talk because, IMHO, you can't believe what you read.

And there definitely ARE good sources on PM. But anyone newer to this world who is reading this post, should find a reliable 'tour guide' before going there for a source.

 

[rAJJIN]

Re: censored board sucks = old scammer

Irrelevant



Threats!? What a joke you are.

Tell you what, Mod. Track down my IP and see what it gives you.

In fact, I'd like to know for personal reasons how secure my "info" is at Meso. I do not believe Millard would condone what you're suggesting his mods do, but you never know, so I'm interested in finding out.

II know who you are already. you explained it well by not being able to provide ANY forum history.




You're trying to draw me into a straw man argument about my identity that is irrelevant to you answering my questions.

Its a Fact, something you have not presented in two days
And please! You're hiding your identity as well. Please don't tell me your board handle "rajjin" is your identity. GROW THE FUCK UP! What are you? Some kid playing make-believe? Everyone is anonymous here unless they choose to reveal their identity to someone.
I have never used a TOR or Hide My ass Ip blocker on ANY forum


Irrelevant



Irrelevant



Why don't you try answering them instead of jumping up and down, pounding your fists like a child that was just scolded for crossing the street without looking both ways?

Ohh man, that was a good one. you got me there



Not what I asked. Try to keep up
Stop typing books. I have ADD



The only thing I've blamed YOU for is evading my questions by creating a strawman. Again, we're back to your poor reading comprehension.
There is nothing to "DIG ip or blame me for. Otherwise 100% bet you would have it posted by now.



What do you call using your position as mod to bump a sponsor's thread with comments like "the best there is" or "nobody does it better?" Sure sounds like pushing to me. The problem with guys on the scammer boards is you are so isolated from the real world, you live in an alternate reality --- a reality that allows you to truly believe you're not pushing sources even when you are. A reality like the one in which Wile E. Coyote can run off a cliff but not fall until he looks down.
Its called giving credit where it is do...aka "bump"


I doubt that is true but I know for a fact mods and vets are given free gear in exchange for positive reviews. Please don't insult my intelligence by denying it.
You can Doubt or guess all day, bring some facts to the table.



Again, all of them. Please read them over closely this time before "not" answering again. If you need assistance with their meaning, you can ask someome for help. I'll wait.

-Please explain why Alin is known everwhere on the net as a selective scammer except at promuscle, where he's considered the best source that ever lived.
Pay attention, its answered. Alin is One of the best in the community at what he does. I cant contro what guys like you think, or think they know. have you used Alin before?

-Please explain why you believe it is acceptable for mods at PM to push sources. And why is it acceptable for Andre to tell scam victims he doesn't have time to help them with their "illegal drug deals" that are often made because his mods pushed noobs towards a particular source?
I have not seen any mod pushing a source. If they did say some good things, its probably for the good service. Not for money or a bribe, regardless of what you think.

As For BigA? Ask Him. I am not BigA

-Why it is acceptable for vets to shill for sources for free gear without disclosing that fact? I have seen a problem with a few vets "repping for free gear" That has been addressed there.The Rule made was if a vet decides to do that, if they sponsors pulls a scamm, the vet goes as well.

-Why are comments about sources deleted when they are negative, but comments from shills allowed to stay?
I delete several of both good and bad posts. If they post ordering Details, or break the rules we have set..it gets erased and the members getrs warned. They get warned 3 times before a permanent bann. So I am sure you had your chance before we booted your ass.
Many are certainly allowed to say "This source sucks... or whatever it may be. But if they get into details, they get warned. We do not want it posted on our forum for many reasons. There safety being one of them.
I can show you a million bad reviews that are not erased. It has to be done within the forum rules though.

-Why does PM push syntherol and tell members it actually "builds muscle," when in reality, there is no evidence SEO's do anything more the artificially increase muscle size while putting the user at risk of sclerosing lipogranulomatosis and its progression may lead to irreversible muscle loss?

Can you show me some facts of your claim? I can tell you the stuff works. have I ever said it was healthy to anyone?

 

[rAJJIN]

No one is going to bend me over anymore. Alin did on my first ever online purchase. I like PM because of the 'other' info that is there. I ignore the source related talk because, IMHO, you can't believe what you read.

And there definitely ARE good sources on PM. But anyone newer to this world who is reading this post, should find a reliable 'tour guide' before going there for a source.

Its not a forum for beginners. Its an advanced forum that has some of the best bodybuilders from around the world.

Have you guys ever read Millards disclaimer here for his sponsors?

 

[Stretch]

Its not a forum for beginners. Its an advanced forum that has some of the best bodybuilders from around the world.

Have you guys ever read Millards disclaimer here for his sponsors?

Guys have come here trying to compare Millard's sponsors with PM's sponsors in the past. And the simplest way I can show you the difference is like this:


Cem-Meso blows dick. They scammed me, I hate them, anyone who orders there is fucking idiot.

^^THIS^^ won't get deleted, and I won't be banned Rajjin.

 

[rAJJIN]

Guys have come here trying to compare Millard's sponsors with PM's sponsors. I don't think the 2 situations are comparable at all. There is a skeletal similarity, it just feels different when Vets and Mod's are pushing/backing/repping/ whatever.

The difference is this right here Rajjin.

Cem-Meso blows dick. They scammed me, I hate them, anyone who orders there is fucking idiot.

^^THIS^^ won't get deleted, and I won't be banned.

Yes it is not a free for all such as this section. There are rules to follow.
If not it would be a mad house Just like the OLD meso-rx classifieds were
(any of you even remember it? lol)

I think Millard does a kick ass Job. Ill never bash the site or him.
I am saying I think I have seen his disclaimer before. And I think he has taken some heat in the past for some paying sponsors? Its always going to happen.
Guys want to blame anyone but themselves.

I could not imagine blaming a forums moderator for MY ordering problems.
I have never done it. and yes I have been ripped off before

 

[Stretch]

Yes it is not a free for all such as this section. There are rules to follow.
If not it would be a mad house Just like the OLD meso-rx classifieds were
(any of you even remember it? lol)

I think Millard does a kick ass Job. Ill never bash the site or him.
I am saying I think I have seen his disclaimer before. And I think he has taken some heat in the past for some paying sponsors? Its always going to happen.
Guys want to blame anyone but themselves.

I could not imagine blaming a forums moderator for MY ordering problems.
I have never done it. and yes I have been ripped off before

I've heard a lot of you older Vets talk about it. I've only been around since after ORD, so I'm out of the loop on that one.

The point of individual responsibility is one that you, and others, have made and I agree with. I fucked up. I read what I wanted to read. I didn't look hard enough to find out I was going to get scammed the first time. That was my fault.

I guess I harbor ill-will towards the big 3 because they have shown a propensity to have more dishonest members than we have here. I am fully aware that there are scammers, and dishonest people here, it just seems like we are all more violent against them than you guys are. Scams don't get perpetuated here with our 'no rules' style. Our 'no rules' style, leads to members ruling.

Which means sources never get protected here, and thats the kind of place I wanted to build my reputation here as my home-board. That's why I stay here, and visit everywhere else.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Also I am pretty good friend with the best guys here. For years now.
HeavyIron,Rein,BigRobbie. (Most mods or have been i think here)
Will any of the above vouch for you?

maybe I should hit them up for your Ip. The forum mods in the community stay in pretty good toucvh with one another. I am in private forum you have never known or heard of you one year rookie Putz!
Do you use a Hide my ass or TOR IP?

Your discomfort is so evident in this post, it's palpable. You are absolutely incredulous that ANYONE would have the audacity to speak to you the way I have.

I can picture you sitting there behind your computer, readining these posts and getting more pissed off by the second. Your heart is racing. You're starting to sweat. Your face is turning red as the roid rage continues to build. Your systolic blood pressure has jumped a full 40 points. Your finger is twitching, aching even, for the ban switch. You reach for it but it doesn't work on Meso. You realize you're totally powerless and lash out with this last desperate plea to make it stop.

Admit it rajjin - everything I just wrote is true.

 

[rAJJIN]

I've heard a lot of you older Vets talk about it. I've only been around since after ORD, so I'm out of the loop on that one.

The point of individual responsibility is one that you, and others, have made and I agree with. I fucked up. I read what I wanted to read. I didn't look hard enough to find out I was going to get scammed the first time. That was my fault.

I guess I harbor ill-will towards the big 3 because they have shown a propensity to have more dishonest members than we have here. I am fully aware that there are scammers, and dishonest people here, it just seems like we are all more violent against them than you guys are. Scams don't get perpetuated here with our 'no rules' style. Our 'no rules' style, leads to members ruling.

Which means sources never get protected here, and thats the kind of place I wanted to build my reputation here as my home-board. That's why I stay here, and visit everywhere else.

I can understand that. This is a good forum.
Like I said I have a lot of respect for the forum owner and the oher True vets I know from here. There some of the best around. Helping guys for a decade.
Providing a place to learn and even have access to supplements.

My early days you paid the gym price of 200$ for 10ml, or drove to mexico.
Talk about getting bent over!

 

[rAJJIN]

Your discomfort is so evident in this post, it's palpable. You are absolutely incredulous that ANYONE would have the audacity to speak to you the way I have.

I can picture you sitting there behind your computer, readining these posts and getting more pissed off by the second. Your heart is racing. You're starting to sweat. Your face is turning red as the roid rage continues to build. Your systolic blood pressure has jumped a full 40 points. Your finger is twitching, aching even, for the ban switch. You reach for it but it doesn't work on Meso. You realize you're totally powerless and lash out with this last desperate plea to make it stop.

Admit it rajjin - everything I just wrote is true.

yea you got me on some of it I still went to the Gym and Pictured Shoving that stogie up your banned little nose hole!

I let this stuff get to me to much sometimes.
I have give a lot of my time and effort to proMuscle. Its my home and I will always defend it. I'm over it now though bud. Trust me I have been through this more times then I can count. Off to enjoy the day and cut the lawn.

 

[Stretch]

Off to enjoy the day and cut the lawn.

Rub it in...fucker.[)]

 

[Millard]

Also I am pretty good friend with the best guys here. For years now.
HeavyIron,Rein,BigRobbie. (Most mods or have been i think here)
Will any of the above vouch for you?

maybe I should hit them up for your Ip. The forum mods in the community stay in pretty good toucvh with one another. I am in private forum you have never known or heard of you one year rookie Putz!
Do you use a Hide my ass or TOR IP?

That's something we don't do at MESO. MESO supports the free speech of its members. That means we don't threaten to expose members' IP addresses, identities, etc. if they say the "wrong" thing. We don't have troublemakers. There are only members with opinions and the degree to which members can support those opinions. (In fact, I don't think mods even have access to IP addresses.)

I don't want to get involved in a pissing match about who has the best approach for dealing with source discussions. I will just say that MESO has one approach and Promuscle has a different approach.

Given that MESO supports uncensored discussion of sources, it should come as no surprise that it attracts people who have had their posts deleted and their memberships suspended at other forums

Is an uncensored source discussion better than a censored source discussion?

Many people like MESO's approach. And many others like alternative approaches. They can choose what is right for them.

But for all the members of censored source discussion forums, I welcome them to visit MESO to see what they are missing and what has been forbidden at their home forums. What's the harm?

As far as @CensoredBoardsSuck is concerned, I don't think he really needs anyone to vouch for him. His contributions are some of the more high-quality, articulate and intelligent posts on the forum.

I think @rAJJIN you may even agree if you took the time to read his posting history. It certainly doesn't mean you have to agree with his opinions of Promuscle.

And if you really need someone to vouch for the above, I will.

And @biggerben69 , I can see why he would offend a lot, maybe even most people especially those who are asking members to send them money in exchange for AAS. I don't always agree with him; sometimes good advice is complete lost in his uncouth delivery. But the fact that he is always bluntly honest with his opinions has earned him respect. I will continue to support his freedom to express himself in the manner he sees fit.

And @rAJJIN I've known for a long time and found him to be a good guy. There are a lot of good people at Promuscle. The shortcomings of the mod-source-kickback model and its conflict of interest is well-known. It's not unique. And it's not easy to fix. MESO has taken the easy way out and gone uncensored. It's not perfect either. So I'm not going to be one to throw stones. If you're unhappy with Promuscle, there is an alternative at MESO. And ditto for those detractors of MESO...

 

[conquistador]

Humana life group? What are you selling, life insurance policies?

 

[fit2beking]

That's something we don't do at MESO. MESO supports the free speech of its members. That means we don't threaten to expose members' IP addresses, identities, etc. if they say the "wrong" thing. We don't have troublemakers. There are only members with opinions and the degree to which members can support those opinions. (In fact, I don't think mods even have access to IP addresses.)

I don't want to get involved in a pissing match about who has the best approach for dealing with source discussions. I will just say that MESO has one approach and Promuscle has a different approach.

Given that MESO supports uncensored discussion of sources, it should come as no surprise that it attracts people who have had their posts deleted and their memberships suspended at other forums

Is an uncensored source discussion better than a censored source discussion?

Many people like MESO's approach. And many others like alternative approaches. They can choose what is right for them.

But for all the members of censored source discussion forums, I welcome them to visit MESO to see what they are missing and what has been forbidden at their home forums. What's the harm?

As far as @CensoredBoardsSuck is concerned, I don't think he really needs anyone to vouch for him. His contributions are some of the more high-quality, articulate and intelligent posts on the forum.

I think @rAJJIN you may even agree if you took the time to read his posting history. It certainly doesn't mean you have to agree with his opinions of Promuscle.

And if you really need someone to vouch for the above, I will.

And @biggerben69 , I can see why he would offend a lot, maybe even most people especially those who are asking members to send them money in exchange for AAS. I don't always agree with him; sometimes good advice is complete lost in his uncouth delivery. But the fact that he is always bluntly honest with his opinions has earned him respect. I will continue to support his freedom to express himself in the manner he sees fit.

And @rAJJIN I've known for a long time and found him to be a good guy. There are a lot of good people at Promuscle. The shortcomings of the mod-source-kickback model and its conflict of interest is well-known. It's not unique. And it's not easy to fix. MESO has taken the easy way out and gone uncensored. It's not perfect either. So I'm not going to be one to throw stones. If you're unhappy with Promuscle, there is an alternative at MESO. And ditto for those detractors of MESO...

This post was good on so many levels, very well said Millard.

I agree that CBS does have some very good high quality posts. I would also agree about Bigben! Both are an asset to this great board.

Everyone knows that Ben can be a jackhammer, but whether you like Ben or not you would be a fool if you did not appreciate his tactics and the manner he puts these guys through the fire. He does have the community's interest in mind when he does what he does.

I for one am so thankful I found this board when I got back in the game. I think the uncensored board here at Meso-Rx is a better option than all the other censored boards IMO. This is my home! I may few other boards but Meso is home sweet home!

Also, I like the openess, honesty and accountability.

 

[Stretch]

That's something we don't do at MESO. MESO supports the free speech of its members. That means we don't threaten to expose members' IP addresses, identities, etc. if they say the "wrong" thing. We don't have troublemakers. There are only members with opinions and the degree to which members can support those opinions. (In fact, I don't think mods even have access to IP addresses.)

I don't want to get involved in a pissing match about who has the best approach for dealing with source discussions. I will just say that MESO has one approach and Promuscle has a different approach.

Given that MESO supports uncensored discussion of sources, it should come as no surprise that it attracts people who have had their posts deleted and their memberships suspended at other forums

Is an uncensored source discussion better than a censored source discussion?

Many people like MESO's approach. And many others like alternative approaches. They can choose what is right for them.

But for all the members of censored source discussion forums, I welcome them to visit MESO to see what they are missing and what has been forbidden at their home forums. What's the harm?

As far as @CensoredBoardsSuck is concerned, I don't think he really needs anyone to vouch for him. His contributions are some of the more high-quality, articulate and intelligent posts on the forum.

I think @rAJJIN you may even agree if you took the time to read his posting history. It certainly doesn't mean you have to agree with his opinions of Promuscle.

And if you really need someone to vouch for the above, I will.

And @biggerben69 , I can see why he would offend a lot, maybe even most people especially those who are asking members to send them money in exchange for AAS. I don't always agree with him; sometimes good advice is complete lost in his uncouth delivery. But the fact that he is always bluntly honest with his opinions has earned him respect. I will continue to support his freedom to express himself in the manner he sees fit.

And @rAJJIN I've known for a long time and found him to be a good guy. There are a lot of good people at Promuscle. The shortcomings of the mod-source-kickback model and its conflict of interest is well-known. It's not unique. And it's not easy to fix. MESO has taken the easy way out and gone uncensored. It's not perfect either. So I'm not going to be one to throw stones. If you're unhappy with Promuscle, there is an alternative at MESO. And ditto for those detractors of MESO...

Should have been a politician.

Edit** I meant that in a good way. Perfect response Millard.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Should have been a politician.

No kidding! Millard is always the consummate diplomat. :tiphat

 

[rAJJIN]

A free for all is one way I guess.
As you said Millard, I remember it having many problems of its own.
Source wars, personal info being posted, throw away accounts being set up. As Long as the members are smart though, they should be able to filter through it like I use to

Let me ask, do you stand behind any
Of the unknowns selling through here?
Or is it buyer beware?
Do you think memebers should depend on mods or the forum owner to do there
Checking?

 

[Stretch]

Let me ask, do you stand behind any
Of the unknowns selling through here?
Or is it buyer beware?
Do you think memebers should depend on mods or the forum owner to do there
Checking?

Rhetorical right? I mean, these questions are a little ridiculous man.

The question for us is; do you really want to be a member and a Vet somewhere where many of your peers are actively helping scammers perform their work? Sure, you can bury your head in the sand, and tell yourself it's the Scamee's own fault for being stupid. But did you do everything you could to protect the weaker (less informed) members of the Community?

You asked earlier if I thought there was even one good source on PM. I answered, now will you answer a question for me?

Is there even one source currently on PM that you believe has intentionally scammed someone in the past? Even one source? Scammed even one customer?

 

[rAJJIN]

It's a serious question.
A fare question.

My head is not in the sand at all. I am pointing out that there is only so much the forums owners an staff can do.

I have banned many scammers from
There. I am sure many more will come!
I am
Sure some will come
Through here also.