Heating raws?

[Galileo]

I've heard that some guys will place their raws (in some suited container, glass vials of sorts?) in the oven. 4 hours at 180 degrees celcius, for example, when brewing. In order to kill off some of the nasty stuff in there. (fungal spores, some bacteria?? I don't know).

On the one hand sounds nice with a safer product.
But on the other hand, doesn't it damage the product?

Forgive such a beginner's question.

 

[Galileo]

Either I asked an extremely stupid or an extremely beginner's question..

 

[tony1354142]

I am wondering the same thing. I've read some put it in a glass container and put it in a pan with a little water the turn it to like 3 on the stove top. Will it damage the raws?

 

[Galileo]

bumps?

Is it common practice to heat them, or is it stupid?

 

[tony1354142]

We gets, No love

 

[Galileo]

The homebrew forum does not seem very populated generally, though.

 

[delcapone]

I never heard of heating powder, and ive been brewing for 5yrs. I place powder in my 100ml. Beaker, then add my B.B.&B.A then place in hot water bath till clear, then add my G.S.O./E.O.-50/50-then my hot water bath again. But as far as heating powder, thats what the b.a. And the .22 micron filters are for.

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

I've heard that some guys will place their raws (in some suited container, glass vials of sorts?) in the oven. 4 hours at 180 degrees celcius, for example, when brewing. In order to kill off some of the nasty stuff in there. (fungal spores, some bacteria?? I don't know).

On the one hand sounds nice with a safer product.
But on the other hand, doesn't it damage the product?

Forgive such a beginner's question.

i know a lot and there is no reason at all to really do that ...when you make the raws into injectable oils they are just going to get dirty again so why heat the raw powder up first when you can just heat it up after you make the injectable oil?

make the oil then heat it up but no need for 4 hours !? thats a total waste of enegry and time / you should only need 110 c / 220 f degrees for just 10-20 minutes because what is going to survive that temperature in 20 minutes to 4 hours ...its like cleaning water by boiling it ...you can boil it for 5 minutes or 4 hours and there will be no difference
- make the raws into oil injectable
-heat in oven just above boiling
-filter through syringe filter into vials
- your done ...unless you want to heat in oven again after you make the vials ...but really if you are doing this clean and neat there is no need to heat again ...but if its your 1st time making stuff i would heat again in the end

- its not a stupid question other then the 4 hour at a super high temperate

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

I am wondering the same thing. I've read some put it in a glass container and put it in a pan with a little water the turn it to like 3 on the stove top. Will it damage the raws?

again no needd to heat up just the raw powders....you put the raw powder in beaker or flask or whatever you use then add the oil then the heat ...then oven ...then filter into vials

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

i never heard of heating powder, and ive been brewing for 5yrs. I place powder in my 100ml. Beaker, then add my b.b.&b.a then place in hot water bath till clear, then add my g.s.o./e.o.-50/50-then my hot water bath again. But as far as heating powder, thats what the b.a. And the .22 micron filters are for.

sounds about right....no need for the .22 .45 filter has always worked fine with me ...also 100ml isnt using much powder at all ...id get a 500ml at least to use

 

[trindade]

I never HB but I'm planing to do.
I don't understand why heat.
on heat will the powder dissolve better in oil ?
I don't think heat is necessary to make sterile injectable, because BA and filter will do that.
I'm thinking what happens with BA when on heat, since it is Alcohol and, if heat could alter the structure of powder doing it less strong.
Maybe someone already tried do it without use heat.
Is it possible ?
What could be the risk ?

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

I never HB but I'm planing to do.
I don't understand why heat.
on heat will the powder dissolve better in oil ?
I don't think heat is necessary to make sterile injectable, because BA and filter will do that.
I'm thinking what happens with BA when on heat, since it is Alcohol and, if heat could alter the structure of powder doing it less strong.
Maybe someone already tried do it without use heat.
Is it possible ?
What could be the risk ?

you have to heat it up to melt the powders into the oil

 

[trindade]

PS LABS FOUNDER,
I was reading other board where you talk about filter more than once and I'm thinking if, filter oil before mix powder could be good.
Because it will make oil thin and clean and maybe more easy to dissolve powder using less heat.
Obviously after that, filter again to obtain finished product.
What you think ?

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

PS LABS FOUNDER,
I was reading other board where you talk about filter more than once and I'm thinking if, filter oil before mix powder could be good.
Because it will make oil thin and clean and maybe more easy to dissolve powder using less heat.
Obviously after that, filter again to obtain finished product.
What you think ?

i think YOU ARE SMARTER SOUNDING THEN MOST ON HERE WITH YOUR IDEAS / YES THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT - HEAT UP THE OIL 1ST TO AROUND 200 - 220 / THEN FILTER THE WARM OIL SO ITS EASIER / THEN MELT AND MIX THE RAWS INTO THE OILS AND BA , BB / THEN FILTER AGAIN INTO VIALS AND THATS IT AND VERY CLEAN

 

[Traveler]

sounds about right....no need for the .22 .45 filter has always worked fine with me ...also 100ml isnt using much powder at all ...id get a 500ml at least to use

I heat my oil only first in oven at about 250 degF for an hour.
Let cool, then mix ingredients.
warm up again in water bath til clear and filter into sterile sealed vials.

Many ways to be safe, BA knocks out the rest after heating the oil.
Heating the gear didn't seem to decrease its potencey....OR does it?
If Tect C melt point is about 209 degF then you have to get it about poiling point of water, SO it wouldnt decrease it's potencey. Right?

Did i just go in a cirlce?

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

i heat my oil only first in oven at about 250 degf for an hour.
Let cool, then mix ingredients.
Warm up again in water bath til clear and filter into sterile sealed vials.

Many ways to be safe, ba knocks out the rest after heating the oil.
Heating the gear didn't seem to decrease its potencey....or does it?
If tect c melt point is about 209 degf then you have to get it about poiling point of water, so it wouldnt decrease it's potencey. Right?

Did i just go in a cirlce?

no if you heat up the flask in the water bath until the raw powders melt like you said around 212 for just long enough for them to melt then that is fine i would think ....now if you put in oven at 300 for a hour i think that might break down the test and make it weaker

 

[Galileo]

Patrick Arnold disagrees

http://www.prohormoneforum.com/q-patrick-arnold/80693-endotoxins-removal-procedure-damage-powders.html

Q: "The industry standard to kill endotoxins/pyrogens wich is 180 degree C for 4 hours, Would this procedure damage the chemical structure or in any other way harm powders like TE?"

Answer from Patrick: " i assume you mean when the powder is dissolved in oil. I dont believe so. at least not with TE "

 

[Cryptobolics]

I've heard that some guys will place their raws (in some suited container, glass vials of sorts?) in the oven. 4 hours at 180 degrees celcius, for example, when brewing. In order to kill off some of the nasty stuff in there. (fungal spores, some bacteria?? I don't know).

On the one hand sounds nice with a safer product.
But on the other hand, doesn't it damage the product?

Forgive such a beginner's question.

High temps for to long can defiantly denature the hormone rendering it useless. If you filter it you be fine there's hardly any pathogenic microbes that will fit through and even if they do you already heated, and alcohol will keep them inert

 

[Purge]

Q: "The industry standard to kill endotoxins/pyrogens wich is 180 degree C for 4 hours, Would this procedure damage the chemical structure or in any other way harm powders like TE?"
"

Splitting hairs here, this is not the same as sterilizing the oil, and filtering will not remove endotoxins and pyrogens. Both are harmful chemicals created by bacteria. You could theoretically filter the oil, remove the bacteria, and still have pyrogens that cause PIP.

 

[Galileo]

I am confused. Are you arguing in favor of the 4 hours oven at 180 degrees C?

Or did you mean to reply to Cryptobolics post.