DNP cycle 1st time. Female, 21, ready to rock.

[noachka]

Ok, I lied, I'm still 20. But in less than two months' time I'll be 21 and it would be great to be near my goal by then.

Some people asked me to keep a log, so here it is!
The plan is 250 mg for 30 days; supplementing the DNP are the following: ECA, T3 50 mcg, sesamin 3000 mg, calcium pyruvate 2000 mg, magnesium 400 mg, and a can of V8 daily. Plenty of water. Benadryl, ketotifen, valerian root, and/or other sleep aids as minimally necessary. As DNP plans go, this one is subject to change in any way, shape, or form necessary, whether that be increasing the dose, cutting the cycle short, or stopping altogether. There, I got my little disclaimer out of the way

An outline of a day on my plan:
Wake up, take 50 mcg T3 and ECA stack
Eat breakfast, take 250 mg DNP and 1000 mg sesamin
Four hours after first ECA dose, take second ECA dose
Eat lunch, take 1000 mg calcium pyruvate and 1000 mg sesamin
Four hours after second ECA dose, take third ECA dose
Eat dinner, take 100 mg calcium pyruvate, 1000 mg sesamin, and 400 mg magnesium. I take vit D too but I didn't list it because I do that every day anyway.
Go to sleep.

Exercise for the month of DNP will be focused on non-cardio activities. I have a month of unlimited Pure Barre classes which are a mix of pilates/strength training/yoga/ballet. I've never done it before but I hear it really works your muscles well. Other than that, I won't be doing any additional formal exercise, save for walks outside because I love that in the fall - and that's not really a hardcore workout Reason for not much formal exercise being that I am a professional ballerina and, as such, spend many hours in the studio every day taking class and rehearsing and I need to save my strength for that. While I don't do ballet with the purpose of exercising, believe me, it is indeed a draining workout and is one of the most physically demanding things you could do. Luckily, I happen to be able to do only 2-3 hours of ballet a day this month, so it is convenient with the DNP in case I don't have it in me to do more because of it.

This morning I took my first cap - 45 min ago - I was so nervous! I also took my temperature and all that told me was that I need to get a new thermometer, because I'm pretty sure my temperature was not 94.7 or 93.9 like it told me the first and second readings, respectively. I know I naturally have a low body temp, but readings like that can only mean my thermometer is dead. Or, alternatively, I'm dead. I think I'll get a new thermometer I need to stop by the pharmacy today to get baby aspirin anyway, so there.

Weight this morning was 72.8 kg. If you think that's impossible for a 160 cm ballerina, think again. My body fat is around 18-20% and I'm got too much muscle for my own good (seriously). That said, I also have way too much fat, which is why I'm running this cycle in the first place. Ultimately I need to get back down to 50 kg and 13% body fat; I would be thrilled if I got down to 60 kg at the end of this cycle but that would exceed my expectations. Still, a girl can hope and work her ass off while she's at it! As for how the hell I got to 73 kg from 50 kg (actually I got up to 78 kg), it's nothing interesting and not relevant enough for me to bother writing about - just something I would rather forget about!

I think I'll weigh myself daily because I sometimes like to, but I will only record my weight once a week, on Sunday mornings I guess.

Well, here goes. I'm off to take a chemistry test so hopefully that goes well with the DNP in me (it's only the first dose anyway). I'll check back in later.

 

[noachka]

At around 10:20 I started getting warm (~1.5 hours after I took it).
I had the air conditioning on in the car and walked to class in a tank top (it's cool outside now) and by the time I got inside to class I had a light sweat going, and I was warm in class. Usually I'm a bit sweaty from walking fast to class, but it's usually also not as cold outside and/or I am wearing a sweater.

 

[neijii]

Jesus be careful.

 

[ChaseQ]

My wife had great results on DNP.

I don't know your background but you appear to have a solid nutrition and exercise knowledge base.

Couple things.

What brand of DNP are you using?

AND, my opinion. I feel as though you are over complicating this by adding to many compounds and variables.

If you have an issue you will have a very difficult time isolating the cause.

I think you should just run the DNP alone. Obviously including the necessary extras that go along with taking DNP.

DNP is a very effective compound used correctly and very potent. I don't like to use the word dangerous. aspirin is dangerous if you use it wrong.

This will make it considerably easier to deal with any issues that may arise.

 

[noachka]

My wife had great results on DNP.

I don't know your background but you appear to have a solid nutrition and exercise knowledge base.

Couple things.

What brand of DNP are you using?

AND, my opinion. I feel as though you are over complicating this by adding to many compounds and variables.

If you have an issue you will have a very difficult time isolating the cause.

I think you should just run the DNP alone. Obviously including the necessary extras that go along with taking DNP.

DNP is a very effective compound used correctly and very potent. I don't like to use the word dangerous. aspirin is dangerous if you use it wrong.

This will make it considerably easier to deal with any issues that may arise.

Thank you for this! Your response - mainly your opinion about taking other stuff at the same time - was exactly the kind of thing I was looking to hear from the other thread I made (not a log). I agree with you 100% that it complicates things exponentially with each added variable should I happen to have some issue. The problem is that I am not absolutely sure what is really, really essential, and what I can take out. There is a lot of conflicting info. I would love to take just the DNP because I don't like to swallow so many pills (yuck after 3 or 4 in a row).

I would be most happy leaving only the DNP, Cytomel, and ECA, but I have a feeling it's the other supps that are the necessary extras. The Cytomel I have to leave in but it's a lower dose than I would take otherwise. Vitamin D I need also and it's never caused any problems. I have never had problems with ECA and it feels great to be back on it. I would most like to take out the magnesium (those ones are hard to swallow and start dissolving in my mouth), after that the sesamin (not really necessary, I think). Is the pyruvate needed? There were a lot of conflicting opinions from what I read.

Thar is really great to hear about your wife! Care to share specifics about her awesome results?

My background is that I am a ballerina by profession; I also am in college simultaneously, in the process of completing a pre-med degree. Previously my major was nutrition but I got sick of the misinformation and 'common wisdom' that sometimes gets taught as fact. Instead I am interesting in learning about it from the physiology angle and I am extremely interested in researching about weight and feeding behavior as a function of endocrinological and neurological differences. I think of the current state of the field as nutrition in much the same way I think about the current state of the field of psychology: we just don't know enough yet, and one could quite easily argue that they are not fields of science considering how we define science in every other field. In the end, I believe it all comes down to physiology. So yes, as someone who's career depends on her weight (ahem, DNP - this is why - going back to Russia in January and if I'm not 50 kg then I'm good as dead), whose studies in college are directly relevant, and who has personal experience with the same issues that I want to study - I would say I have, at the very least, a solid base in nutrition, exercise, and weight

I don't know how to answer your question about brand. I got it from a guy in Canada who has a Russian name. I'm not sure if it's real or fake but I would like to do the finger stain test this weekend.

I agree with you about DNP being the poor, misunderstood, taboo substance it is. It deserves respect, and by no means am I implying that it is not something to be taken lightly. Maybe just a little lighter than it is being taken by some people. In my case, since I am female, relatively young, and a ballerina, people are extra quick to jump down my throat about the evil that is DNP and they assume I am some stupid loser who doesn't know how to diet looking for a quick fix. I'm looking for a quick fix, for sure, but I'm neither stupid nor fat and I definitely know how to diet and how not to diet. SMH. Understandable, though, I suppose.

Geeze I am sorry for the long response, I need to learn how to explain everything I want to with about 5 times as few sentences as I write with now. Shit

Side note, I definitely looked thinner in class today.

 

[noah_k]

I mean no disrespect, but in what way are you not looking for a quick fix? You're literally taking a poison that causes cataracts, comas, and death when misused -- in order to get faster results. I understand there are relatively "safer" doses that will ensure you do not die (though there are no longterm clinical human studies on what may come in x years due to ethical reasons) but to pretend this is both entirely safe and not going for the fastest result possible is a bit disingenuous. Call it what it is.

Some people I'm in contact with have taken DNP and achieved what they strived for, it's not at all my place to judge that or not appreciate their effort, but to downplay the taboo to nothing isn't really wise for everyone else out there that wants to get leaner (i.e. everyone). Llewelyn goes on a bit about this in his book, where he's pretty much always objective, he makes a specific notice about the resurgence of the DNP in the early 90s as being a bit dangerous -- it was popular before, receded, and now it's being treated as a revolution with new breakthroughs on its safety: but there aren't any.. at least that I'm aware of. We're in the same boat as when it first hit the population.

There are also some stickies on DNP in the steroid section.

Not trying to fear monger or be a dick about it, but I think the taboo surrounding it is a damn good thing that encourages people to take it as seriously as it deserves.

To end it on a nicer note.. good luck! Looking forward to seeing the log.

 

[noachka]

I don't disagree with you about anything. Except for one thing:

I mean no disrespect, but in what way are you not looking for a quick fix?

Please read my post more carefully; I specifically said I am looking for a quick fix:

I'm looking for a quick fix, for sure

That said, it's worth distinguishing between a quick fix and a temporary fix. There is a significant and important difference between the two and I definitely am not looking for a temporary fix. Quick? Yes, absolutely. Temporary? No way. And yes, there is such a thing as a quick fix that is also permanent. There are many factors at play.

Further, DNP holds some appeal to me beyond its speed; most notably, the idea that DNP may [or, in all fairness, may not] actually kill fat cells rather than shrink them adds unmatched potential and value to me.

...to pretend this is both entirely safe and not going for the fastest result possible is a bit disingenuous. Call it what it is.

I certainly would never consider DNP entirely safe - if anything, it's potential to be dangerous is way up there with with nuclear bombs - potentially disastrous if not handled correctly, but with enough redeemable qualities to be of use in limited [and usually extreme] situations. I don't believe I ever gave the indication that I consider DNP to be safe, actually I did say quite the opposite (that it deserves respect and is not to be taken lightly), but in case I somehow phrased it erroneously or in a way that sounds as if I think it's completely safe - well, I think I cleared up that misunderstanding now

Thank you for wishing me luck and for your input, even if it was a bit misguided

 

[Millard]

I would be most happy leaving only the DNP, Cytomel, and ECA, but I have a feeling it's the other supps that are the necessary extras. The Cytomel I have to leave in but it's a lower dose than I would take otherwise. Vitamin D I need also and it's never caused any problems. I have never had problems with ECA and it feels great to be back on it. ...

My background is that I am a ballerina by profession; I also am in college simultaneously, in the process of completing a pre-med degree. Previously my major was nutrition but I got sick of the misinformation and 'common wisdom' that sometimes gets taught as fact. Instead I am interesting in learning about it from the physiology angle and I am extremely interested in researching about weight and feeding behavior as a function of endocrinological and neurological differences. I think of the current state of the field as nutrition in much the same way I think about the current state of the field of psychology: we just don't know enough yet, and one could quite easily argue that they are not fields of science considering how we define science in every other field. In the end, I believe it all comes down to physiology. So yes, as someone who's career depends on her weight (ahem, DNP - this is why - going back to Russia in January and if I'm not 50 kg then I'm good as dead), whose studies in college are directly relevant, and who has personal experience with the same issues that I want to study - I would say I have, at the very least, a solid base in nutrition, exercise, and weight

Please don't. You seem like a very intelligent person who needs to step back and re-evaluate what you're doing.

You're a 20-year old ballerina who wants to lose 50 lbs (~23kg) in just over 2 months and you don't quite weigh 160 lbs (72.8 kg) and you're willing to take multiple weight loss drugs e.g. DNP, ephedrine, caffeine, T3 to accomplish this goal.

This is extreme even when compared to a lot of the reckless risk-taking in competitive bodybuilding. Quite honestly, I don't think there is anyone who can safely advise you on this combination of drugs to achieve your goal. If anyone says they can, they don't care about your health. You say you might as well be "good as dead" if you don't reach you're goal by January. Well, this may be one of the realistic outcomes.

Given your academic focuses, I'm sure you're familiar with the literature on disordered eating in dancers. Don't become another statistic. I hope you reconsider your goals or at least your goal-oriented strategies.

 

[noah_k]

Ah, truly sorry, I saw

they assume I am some stupid loser who doesn't know how to diet looking for a quick fix.

and missed

I'm looking for a quick fix, but

I blame 4 am reading What better way to procrastinate work than by reading DNP posts. Anyway, sent a PM your way.

 

[noachka]

Ah, truly sorry, I saw


and missed



I blame 4 am reading What better way to procrastinate work than by reading DNP posts. Anyway, sent a PM your way.

No worries whatsoever, I can sympathize with you on the 4 am reading about DNP! I felt it was important for me to clarify what I wrote so that someone coming into the thread without reading all the comments doesn't start using that against me

 

[noachka]

Please don't. You seem like a very intelligent person who needs to step back and re-evaluate what you're doing....You're a 20-year old ballerina who wants to lose 50 lbs (~23kg) in just over 2 months and you don't quite weigh 160 lbs (72.8 kg) and you're willing to take multiple weight loss drugs e.g. DNP, ephedrine, caffeine, T3 to accomplish this goal...Don't become another statistic. I hope you reconsider your goals or at least your goal-oriented strategies.

Thanks, mom! Haha, seriously, though, I appreciate how deeply concerned you are about someone you hardly know online, but if you would like to lecture me on why I shouldn't use DNP, I would rather it be in my other thread rather than in my actual log. I understand that, given the information you know about me, you would advise against me doing DNP, but I will mention that the information you have about me is limited to what I have shared on this forum and, as such, you don't really have the whole picture of my situation and the factors that went into influencing my decision to take DNP. More so, I am entirely uninterested in whether others are for or against my use of DNP - and I am not sure why I feel that I have to justify it at all. I mean all of this in the nicest way possible, truly.

I take T3 not for weight loss but for hypothyroidism and it is prescribed to me at 100 mcg per day. However, I do not take 100 mcg per day. For the record, I haven't taken any T3 at all since I started DNP - I need to raise my TSH slightly and also my T3 and T4 and I am using DNP's effects on the thyroid to achieve that. No T3 for the first week, and then a moderate 50 mcg dose per day. After DNP I will run T3 at my prescribed dose for a short while. Yet another aspect of my reasons for using DNP. As for ephedrine and caffeine, they are of multidimensional benefit for me and I don't take them directly for weight loss, per say, bur rather to relieve some other issues that do affect my weight more indirectly. I am prescribed stimulants and I do not take them while on ECA because the ECA gives me much the same effect as my Rx stimulants do. All things considered, the only drug I am taking for the sole benefit of weight loss is DNP.

I was exaggerating when I said I would be good as dead if I were not 50 kg by the time I get back to Russia (which, by the way, is actually 11 weeks/almost 3 months away, not two), which I [falsely, apparently] assumed would be taken for the metaphor that it is. Anyway, I do ultimately have to be 50 kg, but it will be entirely acceptable for me to be 55 kg or even 58 kg when I arrive in Russia (I will just be told to lose the rest of the weight while I'm already there). Obviously I would like to reach as close to 50 kg as possible, but believe me when I say that my expectations are quite in line with what is realistically possible, even if I aim beyond what is realistic if only to motivate me more. The math comes out to 17 kg (37.4 lbs) in just under three months if I reach a weight of 55 kg which is entirely reasonable with DNP and highly impractical - though possible, but with its own set of risks which I have concluded are far worse that those associated with an intelligent use of DNP - without it. I have lost 13 kg (28.6 lbs) over a period of about 6 weeks without DNP (I was taking ECA stack), so I have evidence to believe I can reach my more conservative 55-58 kg goal, and possibly even reach it with time to spare.

*Sigh* Once again I make too much of an effort to justify myself when I don't owe justification to anyone. Look, I know you mean well, but I find it difficult to appreciate advice when it is given where it isn't indicated.

 

[DieYoungStrong]

Thanks, mom! Haha, seriously, though, I appreciate how deeply concerned you are about someone you hardly know online, but if you would like to lecture me on why I shouldn't use DNP, I would rather it be in my other thread rather than in my actual log. I understand that, given the information you know about me, you would advise against me doing DNP, but I will mention that the information you have about me is limited to what I have shared on this forum and, as such, you don't really have the whole picture of my situation and the factors that went into influencing my decision to take DNP. More so, I am entirely uninterested in whether others are for or against my use of DNP - and I am not sure why I feel that I have to justify it at all. I mean all of this in the nicest way possible, truly.

I take T3 not for weight loss but for hypothyroidism and it is prescribed to me at 100 mcg per day. However, I do not take 100 mcg per day. For the record, I haven't taken any T3 at all since I started DNP - I need to raise my TSH slightly and also my T3 and T4 and I am using DNP's effects on the thyroid to achieve that. No T3 for the first week, and then a moderate 50 mcg dose per day. After DNP I will run T3 at my prescribed dose for a short while. Yet another aspect of my reasons for using DNP. As for ephedrine and caffeine, they are of multidimensional benefit for me and I don't take them directly for weight loss, per say, bur rather to relieve some other issues that do affect my weight more indirectly. I am prescribed stimulants and I do not take them while on ECA because the ECA gives me much the same effect as my Rx stimulants do. All things considered, the only drug I am taking for the sole benefit of weight loss is DNP.

I was exaggerating when I said I would be good as dead if I were not 50 kg by the time I get back to Russia (which, by the way, is actually 11 weeks/almost 3 months away, not two), which I [falsely, apparently] assumed would be taken for the metaphor that it is. Anyway, I do ultimately have to be 50 kg, but it will be entirely acceptable for me to be 55 kg or even 58 kg when I arrive in Russia (I will just be told to lose the rest of the weight while I'm already there). Obviously I would like to reach as close to 50 kg as possible, but believe me when I say that my expectations are quite in line with what is realistically possible, even if I aim beyond what is realistic if only to motivate me more. The math comes out to 17 kg (37.4 lbs) in just under three months if I reach a weight of 55 kg which is entirely reasonable with DNP and highly impractical - though possible, but with its own set of risks which I have concluded are far worse that those associated with an intelligent use of DNP - without it. I have lost 13 kg (28.6 lbs) over a period of about 6 weeks without DNP (I was taking ECA stack), so I have evidence to believe I can reach my more conservative 55-58 kg goal, and possibly even reach it with time to spare.

*Sigh* Once again I make too much of an effort to justify myself when I don't owe justification to anyone. Look, I know you mean well, but I find it difficult to appreciate advice when it is given where it isn't indicated.

I have no Dog in this fight, and I'm not going to tell you what to do. BUT...This is Millard's site, and he lets us all say as we please. He has that same right, and then some...he gives us this open forum to speak uncensored.

You might not think anyone cares about YOU (I certainly don't know you), but, at the same time, most of us here DO care about the negative propaganda shit storm that hits the fan every time some 20 year old ballerina, or Tyler Hooten, does something stupid and kills themselves while using (or discontinuing) PED's. Also, this is a tight group, and I know I'm not speaking alone when I say that I DO care about a lot of the regular posters here.

You came here looking for help/advice. Not everyone, including the owner of this site, is giving you the advice you wanted/expected to hear. Such is life.

Make your choice, be safe, and good luck.

 

[Millard]

I understand that, given the information you know about me, you would advise against me doing DNP, but I will mention that the information you have about me is limited to what I have shared on this forum and, as such, you don't really have the whole picture of my situation and the factors that went into influencing my decision to take DNP. More so, I am entirely uninterested in whether others are for or against my use of DNP - and I am not sure why I feel that I have to justify it at all. I mean all of this in the nicest way possible, truly.

I support the individual's freedom to live in the physique of their own choosing regardless of whether it's that of a ballerina, a competitive bodybuilder or a morbidly obese couch potato.

It's not about demonizing any particular substance. It's more about evaluating whether the individual understands what they are doing and the risks involved and how to proceed as safely as possible towards their goals. My hope is that people have as perfect information as possible to base their decisions upon.

If you are confident that you are fully informed about the risks involved and have accepted the risk-reward ratio given the totality of your situation, then good luck.

 

[loveyourbody]

DYS- I think I'm falling in love with you haha jk. It's true what worries us the most is that if you die from dnp it's going to be all over the news. Then they will try and use this towards there benefit.
I love gear it makes me feel great and look great but there are some things that are not worth it.

On a side note... I hope you reach you goal and don't harm yourself in the process

 

[Millard]

I have no Dog in this fight, and I'm not going to tell you what to do. BUT...This is Millard's site, and he lets us all say as we please. He has that same right, and then some...he gives us this open forum to speak uncensored.

You might not think anyone cares about YOU (I certainly don't know you), but, at the same time, most of us here DO care about the negative propaganda shit storm that hits the fan every time some 20 year old ballerina, or Tyler Hooten, does something stupid and kills themselves while using (or discontinuing) PED's. Also, this is a tight group, and I know I'm not speaking alone when I say that I DO care about a lot of the regular posters here.

You came here looking for help/advice. Not everyone, including the owner of this site, is giving you the advice you wanted/expected to hear. Such is life.

Make your choice, be safe, and good luck.

I think it's terrible that a drug like DNP can be used to demonize an entirely unrelated, and much safer, class of drug like AAS.

Even if AAS were as dangerous as they are portrayed in the media, I would still support the individual right to use them. But they're not.

My biggest concern is that people beginning using these drug (any drug) without being fully informed. I want the individual to understand the risks involved and plan accordingly by implementing available harm reduction measures.

Acting out of ignorance and having regrets is no fun.

 

[DieYoungStrong]

I think it's terrible that a drug like DNP can be used to demonize an entirely unrelated, and much safer, class of drug like AAS.

Even if AAS were as dangerous as they are portrayed in the media, I would still support the individual right to use them. But they're not.

My biggest concern is that people beginning using these drug (any drug) without being fully informed. I want the individual to understand the risks involved and plan accordingly by implementing available harm reduction measures.

Acting out of ignorance and having regrets is no fun.

Yes, much like the 20 year old anal porn star who has a prolapsed rectum when she's 30. Nobody likes a rose bud

 

[noachka]

I support the individual's freedom to live in the physique of their own choosing regardless of whether it's that of a ballerina, a competitive bodybuilder or a morbidly obese couch potato.

It's not about demonizing any particular substance. It's more about evaluating whether the individual understands what they are doing and the risks involved and how to proceed as safely as possible towards their goals. My hope is that people have as perfect information as possible to base their decisions upon.

If you are confident that you are fully informed about the risks involved and have accepted the risk-reward ratio given the totality of your situation, then good luck.

Thank you for clarifying. This is exactly what I was trying to explain on my part - that I am well aware of the risk/reward ratio and I have deemed it the better alternative of my options and their potential outcomes. I believe I have educated myself about DNP as much as possible as I have read everything I could get my hands on about it and not just in English, either (I speak Hebrew and Russian as well) - save for going to my college's library and digging up info there (although hope to find an opportunity to do that, too!)

May I suggest, since we've addressed the matter and we would be beating a dead horse if we continued, that we stay on the intention of the thread? The intention of this thread, if anyone lost track amidst all of this, is a log of my DNP cycle (which I started in response to some members' requests), and not a thread about whether I (or anyone) should use DNP. Maybe we can start another thread for that if somebody is so inclined to continue discussing it (and it could be a great resource for others considering DNP - please don't get me wrong, I'm as pissed as you guys are when something gets banned from the handful of people stupid enough to kill themselves using it, and all of that aside it's just impossible, I think, to be too safe when using DNP, or anything for that matter).

 

[kawilt]

Sounds like you got it together. Where'd you get those blue eyes?

 

[noachka]

Sounds like you got it together. Where'd you get those blue eyes?

Blue eyes...? Am I missing something?

 

[ChaseQ]

Blue eyes...? Am I missing something?

Nothing worth catching I assure you.

Anyways, my wife ran DNP for 21 days. She lost aprox 11 pounds.

Her diet was poor due to her lack of will power to control her carb cravings that DNP gives you.[)]

She did 250mgs a day, she tried to bump it up to 500mgs but that only lasted 2 days due to side effects. The usual, sweating, lethargy and restless sleep. Shes a trooper but had to drop back down in dose.

She drank a significant amount of water. Sorry I cant give you more details, my wife never really got the point of keeping detailed logs...organizing her shoe collection to match her bags yes, food log no. But I digress..

So overall, she liked it, it worked. Sorry I cant provide more specifics. Good luck.

P.S. I think there would be a wealth of information and knowledge that could be gleaned by you posting some before and after photos. Purely for the professional benefit of those who are primarily visual learners of course. Like me for instance.