My apologies, Got you mixed up with someone else. But it was a question regarding the Caucasus region of Russia, and the Kazars.
Still have it together though.
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My apologies, Got you mixed up with someone else. But it was a question regarding the Caucasus region of Russia, and the Kazars.
Still have it together though.
Nothing worth catching I assure you.
Anyways, my wife ran DNP for 21 days. She lost aprox 11 pounds.
Her diet was poor due to her lack of will power to control her carb cravings that DNP gives you.[)]
She did 250mgs a day, she tried to bump it up to 500mgs but that only lasted 2 days due to side effects. The usual, sweating, lethargy and restless sleep. Shes a trooper but had to drop back down in dose.
She drank a significant amount of water. Sorry I cant give you more details, my wife never really got the point of keeping detailed logs...organizing her shoe collection to match her bags yes, food log no. But I digress..
So overall, she liked it, it worked. Sorry I cant provide more specifics. Good luck.
P.S. I think there would be a wealth of information and knowledge that could be gleaned by you posting some before and after photos. Purely for the professional benefit of those who are primarily visual learners of course. Like me for instance.
Excellent post, thank you for sharing! That is a decent loss, although I do hope I lose more. I am quite active and am eating less than what I see most people on DNP eating so I hope that will be the case for me. Of course in the end, whatever I lose is whatever I lose
I was thinking about doing before and after pics. I will try to take a 'before' pic today although you'd have to take into consideration that it's actually a pic 4 days into my cycle - but I think it would be a good comparison to an after pic nonetheless.
Meanwhile, I tried uploading a collage I made several months ago to keep my inspiration and motivation high! Lol. It's a collection of photos where I was around 55 kg (plus/minus a couple kg in some of them I think) - taken in October and November 2012 (so about a year ago). This is what I would like to get to sooner or later [...sooner...]. Hopefully it worked. Face is blurred for obvious reasons.
johnnyBALLZ
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Best of luck, keep the log going!!
ChaseQ
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Maybe she's 7'3"? :/
johnnyBALLZ
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I just read the pics were from a year ago and that's what she's trying to get back to so I edited.. She's around 55kg(120lbs) in the pics she says.
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loveyourbody
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Well we all wish you the best.
Lmao. Read correctly before you reply! Hahaha.
For the record, I am 5'3"
I have been weighing myself daily and the trend is that at night my weight is going down but in the morning it appears to stay the same. I am pretty sure I am losing weight because, unless my mind is playing tricks on me, I do look thinner. I know that DNP causes water retention which misrepresents weight loss when checking on the scale, so I try not to let myself be concerned, but it is difficult not to worry! And I find myself thinking "is this DNP real, is it underdosed...?" I don't really have any way of knowing
The best I've got is to open up a cap and see if it stains everything yellow.
I'm not feeling the heat much today! I felt really warm during my "gymnastics" training (it's really just difficult stretches combined with lots of conditioning - 'gymnastics for ballet') this morning, before we even got into the hard stuff, but it wasn't REALLY hot or anything. Right now I feel normal.
One thing though is that my pee is YELLOW. I am drinking a lot. It's a classic effect of DNP; but then again, ECA is dehydrating. Since I don't feel dehydrated and am actively making an effort to stay hydrated, I like to think it IS the DNP because at least then I have evidence toward it being real.
Diet is good, I'm eating fruit a lot. No serious cravings except when I got home from training around 12 I was apparently super hungry. I'm good now though and I took my second dose of ECA (about an hour later than I was supposed to) and I intend to keep my intake on the lower side for the rest of the day.
Other than that I really can't think of anything else to report about for the time being. Lowest weight measured over the last few days was something like 70.3 or 71.3 (didn't write it down because 'officially' I WI on Sundays) but more consistently it was been around 72.0-72.4. If 72.4 is my actual current weight I am still pleased because almost a pound in 3 days of low dose DNP is a good start.
For the record, I am 5'3"
I have been weighing myself daily and the trend is that at night my weight is going down but in the morning it appears to stay the same. I am pretty sure I am losing weight because, unless my mind is playing tricks on me, I do look thinner. I know that DNP causes water retention which misrepresents weight loss when checking on the scale, so I try not to let myself be concerned, but it is difficult not to worry! And I find myself thinking "is this DNP real, is it underdosed...?" I don't really have any way of knowing
The best I've got is to open up a cap and see if it stains everything yellow. I'm not feeling the heat much today! I felt really warm during my "gymnastics" training (it's really just difficult stretches combined with lots of conditioning - 'gymnastics for ballet') this morning, before we even got into the hard stuff, but it wasn't REALLY hot or anything. Right now I feel normal.
One thing though is that my pee is YELLOW. I am drinking a lot. It's a classic effect of DNP; but then again, ECA is dehydrating. Since I don't feel dehydrated and am actively making an effort to stay hydrated, I like to think it IS the DNP because at least then I have evidence toward it being real.
Diet is good, I'm eating fruit a lot. No serious cravings except when I got home from training around 12 I was apparently super hungry. I'm good now though and I took my second dose of ECA (about an hour later than I was supposed to) and I intend to keep my intake on the lower side for the rest of the day.
Other than that I really can't think of anything else to report about for the time being. Lowest weight measured over the last few days was something like 70.3 or 71.3 (didn't write it down because 'officially' I WI on Sundays) but more consistently it was been around 72.0-72.4. If 72.4 is my actual current weight I am still pleased because almost a pound in 3 days of low dose DNP is a good start.
I slept so badly last night, and in general my sleep cycle has been totally off. It's not actually from the DNP, but it's no stretch to assume that DNP is not helping me improve my sleep, to put it that way It's really on me to get back on a more normal sleep schedule so I'm working on that now.
Yesterday I had my 'spike day' which was actually less than I normally eat on spike days during the day (in the evening I ate more). I messed up my Vyvanse schedule because I was so sleep deprived, and both of those things affected me and affected my eating which was frustrating but I know now how NOT to take Vyvanse if I want it to do me any good rather than leaving me worse off - in the morning, on an empty stomach, is generally what I find works best for me. I don't take my Vyvanse every day, I try to limit it to once a week or days that I really, truly struggle to keep up with myself. Obviously I don't take ECA on days I take Vyvanse.
On Saturday I had also had a carb-up type day and this was unplanned. I didn't over-eat but I ended the day slightly bummed that I could have eaten better, and to me that's always enough of a hint to indicate that I ate too much for a given day.
So, all in all, I am much more aware of my eating at the moment (specifically on weekends) because I don't want to waste my DNP and also because I obviously have some very high-reaching goals right now. I revised my food plan slightly last night and I feel better for it and more prepared, as well.
I haven't had many effects of DNP which still concerns me slightly, but I also am experiencing enough to make me confident that the DNP is real. Under-dosed, possibly, if anything. Since it's been 5 days with no ill effects - but also no particularly intended effects (except that I'm sure I'm losing weight and I seem to be retaining water) - I will follow the general guidelines and my plan and see how I handle an increase in dose. To compensate for having only units of 250 mg (crystal, so closer to 200 mg actual DNP), and to play it as safe as possible, I will test the increase by alternating two caps and one cap every other day, for a period of at least four days before re-evaluating (unless of course even that proves to be too much, in which case I will back down at once). I think this is a more reasonable approach and I think the long half-life of DNP will make it possible (since it would average out to a mid-range dose over a period of several days).
I came across some posts that said it seems that it takes higher doses of DNP for women to reach an equivalent effective dose as it takes for men. If this is true, it would hold true not only for the "therapeutic dose" (if you can call it that, lol) but also for the general upper limit of the safe dose range [although this assumes that the mechanism by which the same dose of DNP is less effective for women than for men is that women metabolize DNP less efficiently or any similar type of mechanism, which may not be the case at all]. Anyway, it's interesting, especially since the natural tendency is to assume women require less DNP. I don't know of any evidence to strongly suggest one or the other, but I thought it was well worth mentioning because it is a possibility, and a relevant one at that. Unfortunately I did not save the links, but any amateur Googler is sure to find is easily
When I do take the higher dose - the first time of which will be today - I'll take each cap separately rather than at the same time.
I believe I've not been drinking enough water, so I'm making a bigger effort to drink more water, also increasing electrolyte supplementation as necessary.
Cliffs:
-Test a higher dose by increasing from 250 to 500 every other day only for a testing period of several days before even considering a 'full' increase to 500 daily (if even relevant at that point)
-Increase water intake and increase electrolyte supplementation proportionately as necessary
-Get on a better sleep schedule
-Adjust diet slightly
It's really on me to get back on a more normal sleep schedule so I'm working on that now.Yesterday I had my 'spike day' which was actually less than I normally eat on spike days during the day (in the evening I ate more). I messed up my Vyvanse schedule because I was so sleep deprived, and both of those things affected me and affected my eating which was frustrating but I know now how NOT to take Vyvanse if I want it to do me any good rather than leaving me worse off - in the morning, on an empty stomach, is generally what I find works best for me. I don't take my Vyvanse every day, I try to limit it to once a week or days that I really, truly struggle to keep up with myself. Obviously I don't take ECA on days I take Vyvanse.
On Saturday I had also had a carb-up type day and this was unplanned. I didn't over-eat but I ended the day slightly bummed that I could have eaten better, and to me that's always enough of a hint to indicate that I ate too much for a given day.
So, all in all, I am much more aware of my eating at the moment (specifically on weekends) because I don't want to waste my DNP and also because I obviously have some very high-reaching goals right now. I revised my food plan slightly last night and I feel better for it and more prepared, as well.
I haven't had many effects of DNP which still concerns me slightly, but I also am experiencing enough to make me confident that the DNP is real. Under-dosed, possibly, if anything. Since it's been 5 days with no ill effects - but also no particularly intended effects (except that I'm sure I'm losing weight and I seem to be retaining water) - I will follow the general guidelines and my plan and see how I handle an increase in dose. To compensate for having only units of 250 mg (crystal, so closer to 200 mg actual DNP), and to play it as safe as possible, I will test the increase by alternating two caps and one cap every other day, for a period of at least four days before re-evaluating (unless of course even that proves to be too much, in which case I will back down at once). I think this is a more reasonable approach and I think the long half-life of DNP will make it possible (since it would average out to a mid-range dose over a period of several days).
I came across some posts that said it seems that it takes higher doses of DNP for women to reach an equivalent effective dose as it takes for men. If this is true, it would hold true not only for the "therapeutic dose" (if you can call it that, lol) but also for the general upper limit of the safe dose range [although this assumes that the mechanism by which the same dose of DNP is less effective for women than for men is that women metabolize DNP less efficiently or any similar type of mechanism, which may not be the case at all]. Anyway, it's interesting, especially since the natural tendency is to assume women require less DNP. I don't know of any evidence to strongly suggest one or the other, but I thought it was well worth mentioning because it is a possibility, and a relevant one at that. Unfortunately I did not save the links, but any amateur Googler is sure to find is easily
When I do take the higher dose - the first time of which will be today - I'll take each cap separately rather than at the same time.
I believe I've not been drinking enough water, so I'm making a bigger effort to drink more water, also increasing electrolyte supplementation as necessary.
Cliffs:
-Test a higher dose by increasing from 250 to 500 every other day only for a testing period of several days before even considering a 'full' increase to 500 daily (if even relevant at that point)
-Increase water intake and increase electrolyte supplementation proportionately as necessary
-Get on a better sleep schedule
-Adjust diet slightly
I didn't feel too much the first 5 days. I bumped to 500mg and that night I was brushing my teeth and my mirror was fogging up. It's a big step up. Your body will turn into a furnace. Best of luck, be safe.
Sounds like quite the shocking experience (I mean, if you were expecting a doubling of effects and instead felt more of an exponential increase of effects)!
Thanks for the advance warning, I'll be sure to prepare for the heat
On that note, if I double the dose and I don't notice such a huge increase in effects, am I right in thinking that it's a good indicator my DNP is bunk? If so then I sure hope I feel a lot more than I have been thus far!
I might not have to put heat on my back today at physical therapy before they start working on me...lmao.
Just touching base - I did take 500 mcg (~400 mg eq.) today and it WAS quite the experience - significantly more heat and I could tell it was working, although it was nothing out of control or unbearable. I would like to continue with the higher dose (still alternating between 250/500, though, not going to just straight up to 500 daily). Overall, I felt good and had no problems with the dose itself. However, I did struggle in ballet, so I know now to take that into account. Tomorrow I can go into more detail about specifically what I felt during my ballet training and why I was struggling.
I do want to take about diet again. I did well today but toward the evening I became more lenient, too lenient for my liking. I thought about it after and realized that I really need to make the most of this. I won't be happy later if I realize after the fact that I could have done more and been more successful. I don't mean for the obvious reason of losing as much fat as possible in the short amount of time I had, because that's a given. I mean that I'm taking a relatively significant risk using DNP in the first place, and in addition to that, even though I am not getting many sides, there is no doubt that I simply am giving up certain things while on DNP - some of my strength and energy for ballet, for example. If I'm already taking a risk by taking DNP, and I'm already not at my best for the duration I'm on it, I feel like it would be such a waste to not go all out with my diet, too. I can still lose weight eating more while on DNP, but (especially given my goals) how can I possibly let this opportunity to make some astounding progress go to waste?! I can't, that's the answer
I'm still following my basic eating style of eating less during the day/more at night and also eating less during the week and more on my spike day. But to cover all bases and make the biggest strides possible, I'm going to drastically limit my intake every day except for spike day. Monday-Saturday my diet will be strict and consist of mostly fruits and vegetables, proteins and dairy (Greek yogurt, tvorog, some milk), and minimal amounts of dark chocolate or hard candies (I often have a piece before ballet or between classes if I feel I really need it). V8 also, for the electrolytes, although I hardly consider that any different than vegetables. On Sundays, my spike day, it's a different story. I don't go completely barbaric and stuff my face (not fun), but I also don't set any real limits and I do enjoy that day and feel that it is an important part of my weight loss diet (historically, I have ALWAYS been more successful when I include it rather than not). So yeah, Monday-Saturday I intend to eat as little as possible without making myself ill or putting myself in significant danger, and to limit myself to fruits/veggies/proteins as listed about (it just makes it easier to eat less by default, so all the better).
I want to make the most of this, so there it is
Oh yeah, I weighed in tonight at 74.1 kg which is higher than my starting weight! I must be retaining some serious water. It's interesting that I am looking leaner, though, without a doubt. Heh, whatever, I know to take the scale's readings with a grain of salt until after I stop DNP.
Also I forgot to take any before pictures (it's an understatement to say that it's been hectic at university and ballet lately) but I really should get around to doing that so I will make an effort to find the time for it.
I do want to take about diet again. I did well today but toward the evening I became more lenient, too lenient for my liking. I thought about it after and realized that I really need to make the most of this. I won't be happy later if I realize after the fact that I could have done more and been more successful. I don't mean for the obvious reason of losing as much fat as possible in the short amount of time I had, because that's a given. I mean that I'm taking a relatively significant risk using DNP in the first place, and in addition to that, even though I am not getting many sides, there is no doubt that I simply am giving up certain things while on DNP - some of my strength and energy for ballet, for example. If I'm already taking a risk by taking DNP, and I'm already not at my best for the duration I'm on it, I feel like it would be such a waste to not go all out with my diet, too. I can still lose weight eating more while on DNP, but (especially given my goals) how can I possibly let this opportunity to make some astounding progress go to waste?! I can't, that's the answer
I'm still following my basic eating style of eating less during the day/more at night and also eating less during the week and more on my spike day. But to cover all bases and make the biggest strides possible, I'm going to drastically limit my intake every day except for spike day. Monday-Saturday my diet will be strict and consist of mostly fruits and vegetables, proteins and dairy (Greek yogurt, tvorog, some milk), and minimal amounts of dark chocolate or hard candies (I often have a piece before ballet or between classes if I feel I really need it). V8 also, for the electrolytes, although I hardly consider that any different than vegetables. On Sundays, my spike day, it's a different story. I don't go completely barbaric and stuff my face (not fun), but I also don't set any real limits and I do enjoy that day and feel that it is an important part of my weight loss diet (historically, I have ALWAYS been more successful when I include it rather than not). So yeah, Monday-Saturday I intend to eat as little as possible without making myself ill or putting myself in significant danger, and to limit myself to fruits/veggies/proteins as listed about (it just makes it easier to eat less by default, so all the better).
I want to make the most of this, so there it is
Oh yeah, I weighed in tonight at 74.1 kg which is higher than my starting weight! I must be retaining some serious water. It's interesting that I am looking leaner, though, without a doubt. Heh, whatever, I know to take the scale's readings with a grain of salt until after I stop DNP.
Also I forgot to take any before pictures (it's an understatement to say that it's been hectic at university and ballet lately) but I really should get around to doing that so I will make an effort to find the time for it.
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The water retention is INSANE. My pajama pants feel tight. It's weird, I look leaner, but at the same time I look bloated, and it shows on the scale and - apparently - in my clothes. Aggggh! Driving me crazy 
I must be losing weight because I'm on DNP and my diet is good and I am still exercising. Maybe I can still eat less.
Anyway, I'm exhausted today. Mentally, physically. It's normal for me, but I can tell that I'm more tired even than usual. I don't know if the DNP is to blame, though, because school [college] is crazy this semester and in ballet I've had some off weeks plus now on DNP it's making it significantly more difficult to dance. I actually don't mind, it's more that my teacher obviously doesn't know about the DNP so she thinks I'm still sick (I was ill a few weeks ago) or that it's still lingering and it's frustrating not to be able to do my best. In reality, I probably couldn't have asked for a better 'excuse', because essentially that's how the DNP is affecting me in ballet class - as if I'm recovering from a flu or a high fever or something of the sort and I'm still weak. I HATE BEING WEAK, or being perceived as such. I hate not being able to work above and beyond what feels like my limits. But it's working in my favor to let her keep thinking that this is why I'm having a hard time keeping up in class, and if I feel like I'm getting too hot or too out of breath, even if I she so much as sees it on my face that I'm not feeling well, she usually will tell me to sit down before I can ask her myself! Honestly, as long as I know the real cause of all of this, it's all good. Besides, in a few weeks time she'll be all over me for having lost weight and I'll be strong in class again so I will wait it out no problem
Tomorrow I will take 500 mg again (today was 250). If all goes well tomorrow, I may try 500 again on Thursday. Otherwise, I will alternate again. Either way I will end up going up to 500, it's just a matter of how gradually I build up to it. Also, I no longer have any doubts about my DNP being real - it definitely is - but I do think it may be under-dosed. I have always had a low sensitivity to drugs - it's almost become a general rule that if there is a normal dose and there is a higher dose, I will invariably end up on the higher dose. BUT, DNP is different. I did do well on 500. That said, there is a big difference between one day on 500 and several days on 500 so I am treading carefully with the increase in dose.
I just wish I could SEE the results from day-to-day. And that other people were left scratching their heads when they see me from one day to the next looking obviously thinner. Now THAT would be hilarious and awesome I want that...so far that is not the case.
I must be losing weight because I'm on DNP and my diet is good and I am still exercising. Maybe I can still eat less.
Anyway, I'm exhausted today. Mentally, physically. It's normal for me, but I can tell that I'm more tired even than usual. I don't know if the DNP is to blame, though, because school [college] is crazy this semester and in ballet I've had some off weeks plus now on DNP it's making it significantly more difficult to dance. I actually don't mind, it's more that my teacher obviously doesn't know about the DNP so she thinks I'm still sick (I was ill a few weeks ago) or that it's still lingering and it's frustrating not to be able to do my best. In reality, I probably couldn't have asked for a better 'excuse', because essentially that's how the DNP is affecting me in ballet class - as if I'm recovering from a flu or a high fever or something of the sort and I'm still weak. I HATE BEING WEAK, or being perceived as such. I hate not being able to work above and beyond what feels like my limits. But it's working in my favor to let her keep thinking that this is why I'm having a hard time keeping up in class, and if I feel like I'm getting too hot or too out of breath, even if I she so much as sees it on my face that I'm not feeling well, she usually will tell me to sit down before I can ask her myself! Honestly, as long as I know the real cause of all of this, it's all good. Besides, in a few weeks time she'll be all over me for having lost weight and I'll be strong in class again so I will wait it out no problem
Tomorrow I will take 500 mg again (today was 250). If all goes well tomorrow, I may try 500 again on Thursday. Otherwise, I will alternate again. Either way I will end up going up to 500, it's just a matter of how gradually I build up to it. Also, I no longer have any doubts about my DNP being real - it definitely is - but I do think it may be under-dosed. I have always had a low sensitivity to drugs - it's almost become a general rule that if there is a normal dose and there is a higher dose, I will invariably end up on the higher dose. BUT, DNP is different. I did do well on 500. That said, there is a big difference between one day on 500 and several days on 500 so I am treading carefully with the increase in dose.
I just wish I could SEE the results from day-to-day. And that other people were left scratching their heads when they see me from one day to the next looking obviously thinner. Now THAT would be hilarious and awesome
I want that...so far that is not the case.
loveyourbody
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Your alive I'm glad to hear that
I think I'll log here my food while I'm already doing this DNP log. Not really looking for critiques or asking for advice on my diet, just want to have a place to log my food and this is ideal to keep everything in one place. If anyone in the future reads this log, it also provides one more piece of information that is obviously relevant to my results with DNP.
Today is one week since I started and, honestly, nothing too impressive. I've already said why, and I know that the real results come after the cycle is over. I am definitely losing weight so I am happy with how this cycle is going so far but I hope it will pick up speed from here on forward!
I seem to sweat more at night than any other time (except during ballet). Today I woke up wet! I think it has more to do with being relatively motionless and under blankets which, in contrast with when I'm up and moving during the day, wind and other factors make for a better environment for the sweat to evaporate and/or not be as noticeable. Then again, what do I know?!
I have not been able to get myself to go to the gym. I think it has less to do with DNP and more to do with 1) hardly managing to fit in all my schoolwork within the time I have, 2) my back (it's injured and most days it hurts enough to have difficulty putting my socks on in the morning), and 3) generally being worn out/stressed. Ironically, I know that if I force myself to go then it would probably help all of the above and within a few days time I'll not be able to not go to the gym!
Anyway, nothing else to talk about atm. As loveyourbody pointed out, I am still alive. That's always a good thing, so yay for that
500 mg today, I'll probably take a split dose again because for some reason that feels safer (in actuality, it may or may not be...especially since the time between the split is a few to several hours at most, not an even 12 hours).
Today is one week since I started and, honestly, nothing too impressive. I've already said why, and I know that the real results come after the cycle is over. I am definitely losing weight so I am happy with how this cycle is going so far but I hope it will pick up speed from here on forward!
I seem to sweat more at night than any other time (except during ballet). Today I woke up wet!
I think it has more to do with being relatively motionless and under blankets which, in contrast with when I'm up and moving during the day, wind and other factors make for a better environment for the sweat to evaporate and/or not be as noticeable. Then again, what do I know?! I have not been able to get myself to go to the gym. I think it has less to do with DNP and more to do with 1) hardly managing to fit in all my schoolwork within the time I have, 2) my back (it's injured and most days it hurts enough to have difficulty putting my socks on in the morning), and 3) generally being worn out/stressed. Ironically, I know that if I force myself to go then it would probably help all of the above and within a few days time I'll not be able to not go to the gym!
Anyway, nothing else to talk about atm. As loveyourbody pointed out, I am still alive. That's always a good thing, so yay for that
500 mg today, I'll probably take a split dose again because for some reason that feels safer (in actuality, it may or may not be...especially since the time between the split is a few to several hours at most, not an even 12 hours).
Howdy, I'm still alive
Change of plans - you know what I said about being able to sit down in ballet class if it gets to be too much and my teacher being sympathetic toward it because she thought it was just lingering sickness from before? Yeah, that bullshit's not gonna fly anymore. If I keep this up and do awful in class - especially if it's supposedly because my body is still weak from being sick - I can wave going back to Russia good bye and throw my entire ballet career in the trash. It was an excellent excuse for a while, mostly because it was based in truth originally, but I've squeezed every last drop this stunt has got to offer me and I need to get back to reality! The real kicker and what triggered me to go into panic mode was when she brought up my long-term health and how I can't dance if I'm not healthy and started hinting that if I don't get better then I should prepare for the worst and try to find other things in life. AAAGH. Oh my god, NO. So that was the end of that, no more shenanigans for me during ballet. And to tell you the truth, I am beyond irritated at my lack of progress/being the best/making myself and my teacher proud as of late. Nothing ever gets in the way between me and ballet, except, ironically enough, losing weight (ironically because losing weight is also the thing I need to do for ballet). Anyway, enough of my rambling. I'm sure it's not interesting to you guys! I did mention it because it is obviously relevant to my DNP cycle.
I'm not stopping the DNP, just changing my approach. I'm doing very well overall with the DNP and have nothing that could be considered ill effects - only the usual stuff like sweating (holy mother of I-don't-even-know-what, my bed was soaked after my nap yesterday), lethargy, having a lower capacity for work load (most apparent in ballet). In 'normal' life it's hardly a bother, only in ballet it is and then it's really detrimental toward my performance. I took all of that into account yesterday and I didn't want to throw in the towel completely so I thought about it and came up with a plan that seems more ideal to me - and that will allow me to do the two most important things in my life (nothing else comes close to competing with these for importance to me), ballet and losing weight, simultaneously and as efficiently as possible.
First of all, I won't take 500 mg of DNP on days I have ballet. I might not even take any DNP on days I have ballet. I have ballet almost every day, so that's a bit of a snag in my plan. Except it's not, because for the duration I intend to be taking DNP on, I don't have class on Saturdays and Sundays, and on Mondays I will be subbing for another teacher's class for which I am just fine with being on DNP. So, I would like to do shorter burst cycles on the weekends (3 days, Saturday-Monday). Really, they could start from Friday evening. I have no intention or desire to do the super high dose burst cycles that were more common - in the area of 1000 mg - that's just too damn scary, not to mention there is no need as far as I can tell. I feel comfortable at 500 mg and I don't think there is any need to go higher than that, even if it's only for 3-4 days of the week.
Second, we've just dived right into the holiday season (Happy Halloween!) which means that I have holiday breaks over the next couple months, some from school and some from ballet and some where I don't have either. November 14 and 15 we have a short 'fall break' from ballet which essentially adds two days to my weekend, so that's 4 days of DNP right there. A week and a half later it's Thanksgiving break, and I don't have school or ballet for just over a week, from November 23-December 1. That is an *excellent* time to run a cycle. Coincidentally I am going on a very short family trip to Chicago, only for a few days. It's colder in Chicago than it is here, so weather at least won't be a problem. My parents might wonder why I'm sweating, if they even notice, but they can keep on wondering I have some reasons that could be legitimate should I find myself having to explain something (between you and me they obviously are not). On Nov 21 and 26 (and one day before each) I don't want to run any DNP at all as I have two scheduled dr appts which would not be a good time to be sweaty and all-around abnormal. And finally, there is the big holiday break, but I will cross that bridge when I get there as I may well not need or want to use DNP at that point and in general it's just too far forward to have anything more than the faint outline of a plan for then.
Sounds good? Basically just chunks of days on DNP rather than continuously day-to-day. Steady dose as far as I'm concerned atm.
By the way, the reason I'm updating in large blurbs rather than a bit here and there is because I can't find time/chances during the day to do otherwise, my schedule is insane right now. Last night I didn't sleep at all, I stayed up going chemistry work, and I think tonight will end up resembling that somewhat. It was great working all night actually, because I took my Vyvanse and really got a lot done. The only downside was that since I had gotten back home from ballet I was eating so much. It was a combination of leaving ballet frustrated and upset with myself, the very-real DNP carb hunger (um, hunger in general, more like), and possible the prospect of studying instead of sleeping that resulted in me eating like that. I don't know what to say other than that sucks that I did that but at the same time I'm looking better today than I looked yesterday so...I'll take it, and run with it, and just keep going with my proper diet
Oh yeah, today was the first day that I took 500 mg for a second day consecutively. I could do that today because I'm not dancing today, only teaching, so I can get away with it alright. I had a chemistry lab today and it's not allowed to wear sleeve-less shirts but I was begging the lab tech to not make me put on my sweater because I was so hot and sweaty, I ever told her, "Look, even my skin is practically radiating heat." But it was a no-go. One thing is for sure, I will be going into lab wearing t-shirts from now on. Luckily my friend offered to change clothes so that she wore my tank top and my sweater on top, and I wore her loose t-shirt two sizes huge on me which was quite nice and breezy. Despite that, when we changed back into our own clothes, I couldn't stop apologizing for handing her back a shirt that was damp from sweat! I warned her during the lab that I was sweating, though, and she said, "Don't sweat it" Haha. Good friend.
Anyway, I'm off for a nap now. I took my second capsule about an hour ago and I am starting to feel some heat and the fan is calling my name.
Change of plans - you know what I said about being able to sit down in ballet class if it gets to be too much and my teacher being sympathetic toward it because she thought it was just lingering sickness from before? Yeah, that bullshit's not gonna fly anymore. If I keep this up and do awful in class - especially if it's supposedly because my body is still weak from being sick - I can wave going back to Russia good bye and throw my entire ballet career in the trash. It was an excellent excuse for a while, mostly because it was based in truth originally, but I've squeezed every last drop this stunt has got to offer me and I need to get back to reality! The real kicker and what triggered me to go into panic mode was when she brought up my long-term health and how I can't dance if I'm not healthy and started hinting that if I don't get better then I should prepare for the worst and try to find other things in life. AAAGH. Oh my god, NO. So that was the end of that, no more shenanigans for me during ballet. And to tell you the truth, I am beyond irritated at my lack of progress/being the best/making myself and my teacher proud as of late. Nothing ever gets in the way between me and ballet, except, ironically enough, losing weight (ironically because losing weight is also the thing I need to do for ballet). Anyway, enough of my rambling. I'm sure it's not interesting to you guys! I did mention it because it is obviously relevant to my DNP cycle.
I'm not stopping the DNP, just changing my approach. I'm doing very well overall with the DNP and have nothing that could be considered ill effects - only the usual stuff like sweating (holy mother of I-don't-even-know-what, my bed was soaked after my nap yesterday), lethargy, having a lower capacity for work load (most apparent in ballet). In 'normal' life it's hardly a bother, only in ballet it is and then it's really detrimental toward my performance. I took all of that into account yesterday and I didn't want to throw in the towel completely so I thought about it and came up with a plan that seems more ideal to me - and that will allow me to do the two most important things in my life (nothing else comes close to competing with these for importance to me), ballet and losing weight, simultaneously and as efficiently as possible.
First of all, I won't take 500 mg of DNP on days I have ballet. I might not even take any DNP on days I have ballet. I have ballet almost every day, so that's a bit of a snag in my plan. Except it's not, because for the duration I intend to be taking DNP on, I don't have class on Saturdays and Sundays, and on Mondays I will be subbing for another teacher's class for which I am just fine with being on DNP. So, I would like to do shorter burst cycles on the weekends (3 days, Saturday-Monday). Really, they could start from Friday evening. I have no intention or desire to do the super high dose burst cycles that were more common - in the area of 1000 mg - that's just too damn scary, not to mention there is no need as far as I can tell. I feel comfortable at 500 mg and I don't think there is any need to go higher than that, even if it's only for 3-4 days of the week.
Second, we've just dived right into the holiday season (Happy Halloween!) which means that I have holiday breaks over the next couple months, some from school and some from ballet and some where I don't have either. November 14 and 15 we have a short 'fall break' from ballet which essentially adds two days to my weekend, so that's 4 days of DNP right there. A week and a half later it's Thanksgiving break, and I don't have school or ballet for just over a week, from November 23-December 1. That is an *excellent* time to run a cycle. Coincidentally I am going on a very short family trip to Chicago, only for a few days. It's colder in Chicago than it is here, so weather at least won't be a problem. My parents might wonder why I'm sweating, if they even notice, but they can keep on wondering
I have some reasons that could be legitimate should I find myself having to explain something (between you and me they obviously are not). On Nov 21 and 26 (and one day before each) I don't want to run any DNP at all as I have two scheduled dr appts which would not be a good time to be sweaty and all-around abnormal. And finally, there is the big holiday break, but I will cross that bridge when I get there as I may well not need or want to use DNP at that point and in general it's just too far forward to have anything more than the faint outline of a plan for then. Sounds good? Basically just chunks of days on DNP rather than continuously day-to-day. Steady dose as far as I'm concerned atm.
By the way, the reason I'm updating in large blurbs rather than a bit here and there is because I can't find time/chances during the day to do otherwise, my schedule is insane right now. Last night I didn't sleep at all, I stayed up going chemistry work, and I think tonight will end up resembling that somewhat. It was great working all night actually, because I took my Vyvanse and really got a lot done. The only downside was that since I had gotten back home from ballet I was eating so much. It was a combination of leaving ballet frustrated and upset with myself, the very-real DNP carb hunger (um, hunger in general, more like), and possible the prospect of studying instead of sleeping that resulted in me eating like that. I don't know what to say other than that sucks that I did that but at the same time I'm looking better today than I looked yesterday so...I'll take it, and run with it, and just keep going with my proper diet
Oh yeah, today was the first day that I took 500 mg for a second day consecutively. I could do that today because I'm not dancing today, only teaching, so I can get away with it alright. I had a chemistry lab today and it's not allowed to wear sleeve-less shirts but I was begging the lab tech to not make me put on my sweater because I was so hot and sweaty, I ever told her, "Look, even my skin is practically radiating heat." But it was a no-go. One thing is for sure, I will be going into lab wearing t-shirts from now on. Luckily my friend offered to change clothes so that she wore my tank top and my sweater on top, and I wore her loose t-shirt two sizes huge on me which was quite nice and breezy. Despite that, when we changed back into our own clothes, I couldn't stop apologizing for handing her back a shirt that was damp from sweat! I warned her during the lab that I was sweating, though, and she said, "Don't sweat it" Haha. Good friend.
Anyway, I'm off for a nap now. I took my second capsule about an hour ago and I am starting to feel some heat and the fan is calling my name.
loveyourbody
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I say stay at a low 250 per day run that was enough for me to feel like shit
I honestly don't feel anything at 250, and at 500 I don't feel like shit at all but I DO feel it. For this reason (among others) I don't want to go above 500. I think my caps might be under dosed because I think it's more likely that this is the case rather than that I am not as sensitive to DNP. With its mechanism of action - it's difficult to entertain any notion of sensitivity at all.
My train of thought: 500 mg a few days of the week is a good compromise for 250 mg every day.
My train of thought: 500 mg a few days of the week is a good compromise for 250 mg every day.
In accordance with my new plan, I did not take any DNP today. I still had periods of feeling warmth, which is not unexpected in the least.
I was totally rockin' it at ballet today, I had power and strength to do well! Part of that is the Vyvanse I took. But I also was not feeling as run-down as I would have if I had taken a dose of DNP earlier in the day.
By the end of my training at the studio today I was looking so much thinner than I have been looking these past several days, so naturally I was eager to weigh myself when I got home to see what the scale would say (I know it's not super accurate since it's night and I just got home from ballet). If anything, I thought I would get a falsely low reading due to feeling a bit dehydrated after class and not having eaten since the handful of almonds I had at around 1 and the lollipop, hard candy, and 1/3 square of chocolate I had throughout the afternoon-evening for bits of energy.
So I ran to the scale at once when I got home - only to see the number 73.4 kg staring back at me (I think it was point 4 - I was too busy lingering on the 73). 73.4! That's like...the same weight I was before this week on DNP. What gives? I look thinner, my mom commented that I'm losing some weight, I can certainly feel that what I am taking is, indeed, DNP...so I MUST be losing weight.
Can this really be water retention? I have read other posts with people gaining as much weight in water as they lost in fat, but there are also posts with people seeing daily losses consistently despite any water weight gain. I suppose I need to be patient. As if I have a choice!
Whether I will take DNP or not tomorrow (until Monday) I have yet to decide. I am very curious to see how I look and how I weigh in after a week off of DNP, so for a moment earlier today I was considering to wait until next Friday to take DNP again. Now, however, I'm wanting to continue tomorrow through Monday anyway - staying true to my plan, and not losing 3 days (which is precious time) for the sake of letting my curiosity get the best of me. After all, that is a good 3 days of DNP at an intended 500 mg a day [adjusting down as needed - that goes without saying, and btw please do assume that from now on because I don't feel like writing a disclaimer on each post, lol] - a long enough period at that dose to be able to expect some major progress. I would have Tuesday until Friday night off of DNP regardless, so I could check my progress without DNP then. I feel it would be a waste not to do the three extra days, seeing as how I am so crunched for time. Anyway, I'll decide what I want to do by bedtime tonight.
I was totally rockin' it at ballet today, I had power and strength to do well! Part of that is the Vyvanse I took. But I also was not feeling as run-down as I would have if I had taken a dose of DNP earlier in the day.
By the end of my training at the studio today I was looking so much thinner than I have been looking these past several days, so naturally I was eager to weigh myself when I got home to see what the scale would say (I know it's not super accurate since it's night and I just got home from ballet). If anything, I thought I would get a falsely low reading due to feeling a bit dehydrated after class and not having eaten since the handful of almonds I had at around 1 and the lollipop, hard candy, and 1/3 square of chocolate I had throughout the afternoon-evening for bits of energy.
So I ran to the scale at once when I got home - only to see the number 73.4 kg staring back at me (I think it was point 4 - I was too busy lingering on the 73). 73.4! That's like...the same weight I was before this week on DNP. What gives? I look thinner, my mom commented that I'm losing some weight, I can certainly feel that what I am taking is, indeed, DNP...so I MUST be losing weight.
Can this really be water retention? I have read other posts with people gaining as much weight in water as they lost in fat, but there are also posts with people seeing daily losses consistently despite any water weight gain. I suppose I need to be patient. As if I have a choice!
Whether I will take DNP or not tomorrow (until Monday) I have yet to decide. I am very curious to see how I look and how I weigh in after a week off of DNP, so for a moment earlier today I was considering to wait until next Friday to take DNP again. Now, however, I'm wanting to continue tomorrow through Monday anyway - staying true to my plan, and not losing 3 days (which is precious time) for the sake of letting my curiosity get the best of me. After all, that is a good 3 days of DNP at an intended 500 mg a day [adjusting down as needed - that goes without saying, and btw please do assume that from now on because I don't feel like writing a disclaimer on each post, lol] - a long enough period at that dose to be able to expect some major progress. I would have Tuesday until Friday night off of DNP regardless, so I could check my progress without DNP then. I feel it would be a waste not to do the three extra days, seeing as how I am so crunched for time. Anyway, I'll decide what I want to do by bedtime tonight.
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My decision ended up being to take the DNP today and I will continue it through Monday - so it will be 3 days of 500 mg. I think. I mean, today was really fine with 500 mg, but it's impossible to say if three days of 500 mg will be too unpleasant.
I mentioned, earlier, about finding myself in a state where I need to tweak my diet to something more specific, perhaps, so that I have something with a little bit more structure to rely on since I seam to be having difficulty with particularly this.
In Russia it's easy, I just eat what they give me in the cafeteria plus a few occasional randoms that I buy myself or with friends, and in general I am too scared of the high caloric density of the school food (all REAL food, very healthy, homemade - but each day the menu is required to add up to ~4000 kcal!) that it's naturally simple to eat only half of everything or, in general, just small portions of whatever it is they're feeding me
Right now, being at home, I don't have the luxury of being able to rely on that. And that really makes things difficult for me. So yes, I think I do need to find a way to have more structure to guide me while at the same time not forcing myself into something that I cannot be comfortable with doing. To cut to the chase, I've put it together and I now finally have a more structured plan.
6 days a week - generally low carb by default of eating generally just fruits, vegetables, proteins, and limited dairy (Greek yogurt, really). That's it.
1 day a week - spike day.
Now, as things turned out, I might be finding Saturday to be a more suitable day to have my spike day for me with my schedule at the moment. I'll have to think about THAT one specifically some more and then decide what to go with.
I mentioned, earlier, about finding myself in a state where I need to tweak my diet to something more specific, perhaps, so that I have something with a little bit more structure to rely on since I seam to be having difficulty with particularly this.
In Russia it's easy, I just eat what they give me in the cafeteria plus a few occasional randoms that I buy myself or with friends, and in general I am too scared of the high caloric density of the school food (all REAL food, very healthy, homemade - but each day the menu is required to add up to ~4000 kcal!) that it's naturally simple to eat only half of everything or, in general, just small portions of whatever it is they're feeding me
Right now, being at home, I don't have the luxury of being able to rely on that. And that really makes things difficult for me. So yes, I think I do need to find a way to have more structure to guide me while at the same time not forcing myself into something that I cannot be comfortable with doing. To cut to the chase, I've put it together and I now finally have a more structured plan.
6 days a week - generally low carb by default of eating generally just fruits, vegetables, proteins, and limited dairy (Greek yogurt, really). That's it.
1 day a week - spike day.
Now, as things turned out, I might be finding Saturday to be a more suitable day to have my spike day for me with my schedule at the moment. I'll have to think about THAT one specifically some more and then decide what to go with.
loveyourbody
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The water retention on DNP is really high. You don't see most of the lose till 3-5 days after you stop
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