6 month HGH Cycle, worthwhile?

[Dr JIM]

Damn PC you "coach" high level athletes?

Shit dude so which sideline will you be taping ankles on this Sunday, the Seahawks or Broncos's?

Although I'm heartbroken CBS has replaced me as the number one Meso Menace.

CBS uncovers duplicitous "source" behavior on Meso and often those directly involved in such activity disagree with his methods. Well imagine that!

Shit if we had a few more like him (those who can see the forest thru the trees rather than those of your ilk who can't see the forest ) scamming and screw jobs on Meso would approximate the impossible.

Look at it this way PC. If your sales and business thru Biologic are legit (an oxymoron) then CBS is your friend otherwise your FUCKED

Jim

 

[kawilt]

Kaw
What do you mean "your IGF range"? Are you referring to the labs reference ranges?

So let's see here there are MULTIPLE studies which show IGF typically DOUBLES at a rHGH dose of 0.1 IU/kg (study looking at Small for Gestational Age infants)

However your using ONLY 2.5 IU of "Rips" QD and assuming your weight is 70KG (I'm suspect it's higher)

Your achieving the same results from a GENERIC GH product than that which is achievable with Pharm Grade rHGH at THREE TIMES the DOSAGE!

Utterly AMAZING BULLSHIT!

For STARTERS how about you post those labs fella, lol!

Damn the tainted garbage which rolls thru this forum is literally unbelievable!

PC it's interesting your now working for a lab STRETCH himself said was NOT GTG.

Fuck me I hope other Meso members understand the magnitude of the malignant deception which continues to fester at BioLogic.

Jimmy

I assume your referring to me Jim. I will pull up the lab results and post it . Give me a little while as I'm not too fast at navigating this computer. Anyway, what the hell did I have to gain by giving those numbers in the first place? Somebody ask for igf-1 levels and I just happened to have mine sitting beside me. Please don't drag me onto these little squabbles you guy's have.

 

[kawilt]

Kaw
What do you mean "your IGF range"? Are you referring to the labs reference ranges?

So let's see here there are MULTIPLE studies which show IGF typically DOUBLES at a rHGH dose of 0.1 IU/kg (study looking at Small for Gestational Age infants)

However your using ONLY 2.5 IU of "Rips" QD and assuming your weight is 70KG (I'm suspect it's higher)

Your achieving the same results from a GENERIC GH product than that which is achievable with Pharm Grade rHGH at THREE TIMES the DOSAGE!

Utterly AMAZING BULLSHIT!

For STARTERS how about you post those labs fella, lol!

Damn the tainted garbage which rolls thru this forum is literally unbelievable!

PC it's interesting your now working for a lab STRETCH himself said was NOT GTG.

Fuck me I hope other Meso members understand the magnitude of the malignant deception which continues to fester at BioLogic.

Jimmy

I copied this off my test results.

IGF-1
Insulin-Like Growth Factor I 417 HIGH 47-192 ng/mL BN
Testosterone,Free and Total
Testosterone, Serum 1140 348-1197 ng/dL TA
Free Testosterone(Direct) >50.0 HIGH 6.6-18.1 pg/mL BN

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Nice find mands. PC caught bullshitting again. Aside from not knowing his starting weight, he's confused about the drugs too.

Dr_jitsu

Thanks everyone, good advice. I need to get over here more often, as I want to avoid all the pissing matches at my regular forum (which also has a very important role to play in my PED world).

I started at 5IU's of rips on a 5-2 schedule. The Rips have been tested, both for growth and by elevated IGF-1 levels. Hands have become numb, so I am backing off to 3 IU's, 5-2. I plan on running for 6 months.

When I started, I had been off all gear for 4 weeks (was still on pct, taking Nolvadex). W/in 12 days, I gained 15 lbs....I know that was mostly water. I then went back on test c (have a script) plus some test p. Also using DMN, a long acting deca and NPP. Pumped about 600 mgs of DMN/NPP and 400of test.

I will stop taking DMN soon, especially as it would leave metabolites around for months. Will be using a combo of test c/p 500 mgs/week and NPP, 350/week.

I am over 240 lbs, so I am not as concerned about getting big anymore, I just want t get leaner, a bit stronger, and also have top cardio when I teach grappling.

Starting 40 mgs of var, then switching over to winney.

Looks like PC can't keep his drugs and doses straight either - in the SAME POST. One post he's using Deca/NPP 600mg and Test 400mg. Next paragraph he's using 500mg of Test-C and 350mg NPP.

Dr_jitsu

Update: Finishing 2nd kit....OMG: Went from a pudgy 228, to a much leaner 244. Got pretty severe hand numbness, dropped down to 1.5 IU's and hands still numb. Eating a lot om food, 5k calories. And my other gear was modest: 400-450 test, 250 deca/NPP, 20 mgs of var and 20 of D-Bol before lifting. Doing tons of cardio (hard, Grappling Bag work some stand up sparing and the kids I teach are starting to kick my my cardio system to the limit..

My plan is to run 1.5 IUs' for life.

 

[Dr JIM]

IGF results like yours are certainly extraordinary especially for ANY generic GH.

What are you the only person who doesn't understand why the heck the question was indeed directed "at you"?

Fella you posted IGF results from "generic RIPs", which if your dosage is accurate, is THREE TIMES BETTER than Pharm Grade GH.

So yea indeed I'm incredulous that could/would EVER HAPPEN, and I'd like to see some evidence supporting your comment

(Otherwise some mates on Meso may actually believe the unbelievable, "Rips are THREE TIMES more POTENT than Ph GRADE")

And I KNOW for several reasons, on an equipotent basis, the latter is absolute BULLSHIT!



Jim

 

[kawilt]

IGF results like yours are certainly extraordinary especially for ANY generic GH.

What are you the only person who doesn't understand why the heck the question was indeed directed "at you"?

Fella you posted IGF results from "generic RIPs", which if your dosage is accurate, is THREE TIMES BETTER than Pharm Grade GH.

So yea indeed I'm incredulous that could/would EVER HAPPEN, and I'd like to see some evidence supporting your comment

(Otherwise some mates on Meso may actually believe the unbelievable, "Rips are THREE TIMES more POTENT than Ph GRADE")

And I KNOW for several reasons, on an equipotent basis, the latter is absolute BULLSHIT!



Jim

I was surprised the question was directed at me because all I did was give some numbers off a blood test. Didn't realize there was anything out of the ordinary about them.
Lets make sure I'm talking about apples and not oranges on the amount I'm taking. I add 1ML of water to the vial. I'm injecting 25 IUs, not 2.5. my mistake. I get 4 pins out of my vial. Sorry for the mix up. Lot of hysterics going on in this thread. Anyway, how can you even see a 1 or 1.5 mark on a syringe?

 

[beezil]

I was surprised the question was directed at me because all I did was give some numbers off a blood test. Didn't realize there was anything out of the ordinary about them.
Lets make sure I'm talking about apples and not oranges on the amount I'm taking. I add 1ML of water to the vial. I'm injecting 25 IUs, not 2.5. my mistake. I get 4 pins out of my vial. Sorry for the mix up. Lot of hysterics going on in this thread. Anyway, how can you even see a 1 or 1.5 mark on a syringe?

the methodology you are using is correct...

25 is your 2.5....

with 1ml of bac water.

i am assuming most peeps are metering the same.

 

[Millard]

Millard, the threat was not physical, the threat was to expose CBS for the hypocrite that he is. He has never done any Bio products, yet is an authority on their quality. That is all I care about ...

The larger issue is that every substantive thread on this forum degenerates into a childish pissing match once CBS gets involved.

No. The larger issue is whether a member was threatened by a source and ascertaining the nature of that threat.

If the threat was not physical, then you seem to have exaggerated it quite a bit. If it was only a threat to expose hypocrisy, I do not understand why did you fear that "harm" would befall CBS? Why would you not want to see hypocrisy exposed? Why would it be necessary to obtain information on CBS's identity and physical location? The threat certainly seemed more ominous than you are now suggesting. I am sure you can understand my concern:

There are others who rarely come here, but really do not like you they tracked down who you are, name, address, etc. I am tryuing to talk them out of doing anything, and hopefulky I will be successful.

I do not what to see and harm come to you because I feel sorry for you.

Protecting members from (physical) harm by sources is important.

 

[Pericles]

Sigh.

I always got a laugh from all the guys who would meticulously plan their cycles out. Having been to many Rodeos, I know that cycles are never set in stone (unless you are stupid) and the only consistency is change.

To illustrate: At he beginning of my cycle, I wanted to run more gear. However, I was getting excellent results, and a lot of sides, hand numbness and deca dick to name 2.

Another things happened on he way to the dance: I sustained a hairline fracture to my foot I was teaching a shin roundhouse, and the kid holding he Thai pad freaked, pulled the pad away and my foot hit his elbow. The break did not need to be reset, I had stay off my feet for 4 days (should have gone week). So, no martial arts, no treadmill and no leg training. Of course I dropped my gear down.

I always liked the openness of this forum. Unfortunately, the open source talk (which I always valued) combined with the inability of members to avoid personal attacks over substance means that it is no longer worth the risk to post here. There is a reason that most forums do not allow personal attacks. Combined w/ the anonymity of the web, they know that the forums will become useless.

Ironically, I just posted up the type of material we should be exploring.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Millard, the threat was not physical, the threat was to expose CBS for the hypocrite that he is. He has never done any Bio products, yet is an authority on their quality. That is all I care about.

"I do not what to see and harm come to you because I feel sorry for you."

That sounds like more than just exposing "a hypocrite."

Bio has his emails...(I, Bio) know its him because he quoted me from a response I gave to his email. Remember he also said he wants to buy from me. So for everybody to see CBS wants to buy from me but says my shit sucks should tell the "tale".*

PC, you're losing it. Your delusions are starting to overtake reality. Think about what you're saying - on one hand, you say I'm single-handedly responsible for destroying "the best ugl that ever existed," and on the other I'm trying to order from them. That is beyond bizarre even coming from you.

The larger issue is that every substantive thread on this forum degenerates into a childish pissing match once CBS gets involved. On one hand, I understand that the driving force of MESO is to not censor any one or anything. However, the result is that every discussion on this board, once CBS jumps in becomes a parasitic toxin, under the guise of “protecting the noobs from being scammed” etc.

The ONLY time my posts have ever "degenerated into a childish pissing match" is when it involved shills/scammers or you, your 1 or 2 followers and the bullshit you spread.

That means that people who genuinely want to help others get no where here. They end up at places like TID, where everyone is trying to actually help one another. My bottom line is results, Look at Gunney and Chris. Both have radically improved their physique under my tutelage. I have 37 years of experience coaching high level athletes. Unfortunately, it is no longer possible to help people on this forum.

There is a simple solution to your conundrum. Stop pushing your threatening source and stop spreading misinformation. When you've posted accurate information, I've given you credit. When you've posted bullshit (the majority of your posts), I've pointed that out, which usually results in you flying into a temper tantrum.

This thread was supposed to be about running GH for 6 months.

What does any of the crap over the last few pages address the OP's question?

You tell me. I asked you a legitimate question about why you haven't tested your IGF-1 (because it needs to be tested) and you responded with this nonsense.

Nothing. Mands, could help, but he is more interested in sucking CBS' balls. I don't even read his posts anymore, but he proves my point. He is a guy that knows how to train, eat, and run gear. He actually his built a good physique.

At what point do you realize all these people "aren't out to get you?" Your posts draw these reactions from most of the people you've dealt with. It's time to own up to the fact that you have problems, PC.

 

[Pericles]

Millard: Here is the type of discussions a forum should have: https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134350114

Read it, please. Then explain to me why that sort of discussion rapidly falls into oblivion, while childish fecal matter, like this thread goes on forever.?

Go over to TID, and then compare the types of discussions there. They are substantive, members treat each other with respect. The goal is to help everyone improve. I don't know what the goal is here, besides winning petty arguments.

That is why MESO is universally regarded as joke. OK, I am done with this thread. I will pop in from time to time, unless you decide to ban me. I hope some people read my thread on how to train after steroids, and I will be happy to help them. If you were really interested in promoting substantive discussions you would make it a sticky. I would love to be part of that.But like I said that type of discussion is a foreign language here.

 

[kawilt]

IGF results like yours are certainly extraordinary especially for ANY generic GH.

What are you the only person who doesn't understand why the heck the question was indeed directed "at you"?

Fella you posted IGF results from "generic RIPs", which if your dosage is accurate, is THREE TIMES BETTER than Pharm Grade GH.

So yea indeed I'm incredulous that could/would EVER HAPPEN, and I'd like to see some evidence supporting your comment

(Otherwise some mates on Meso may actually believe the unbelievable, "Rips are THREE TIMES more POTENT than Ph GRADE")

And I KNOW for several reasons, on an equipotent basis, the latter is absolute BULLSHIT!



Jim

Well there you see the results Jim. I ask the question a long time ago as to why my igtf-1 level was high when I was using BD labs HGH from IP. If you remember, you told me it was bunk and probably peptides. OK, what the fuck do I know. I'm not a doctor or a chemist. Maybe this RIP shit is peptides or something, I never got any kind of answer, I was told to research the old threads, that this was discussed before. Well, I couldn't find anything that addressed the question.
Jim, I don't know what in the hell I'm injecting, but whatever it is and whatever it was is certainly showing up in the blood test. SO, I'll ask again, because I don't have a clue, what do YOU think it could be that would give the results that are coming back on the test? You say "And I KNOW for several reasons, on an equipotent basis, the latter is absolute BULLSHIT! " What is BULLSHIT Jim? I would dearly like to know just what in the hell I'm injecting into my ageing body day after day.
Thank you.

 

[Millard]

Millard: Here is the type of discussions a forum should have: https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134350114

Read it, please. Then explain to me why that sort of discussion rapidly falls into oblivion, while childish fecal matter, like this thread goes on forever.?

Go over to TID, and then compare the types of discussions there. They are substantive, members treat each other with respect. The goal is to help everyone improve. I don't know what the goal is here, besides winning petty arguments.

That is why MESO is universally regarded as joke. OK, I am done with this thread. I will pop in from time to time, unless you decide to ban me. I hope some people read my thread on how to train after steroids, and I will be happy to help them. If you were really interested in promoting substantive discussions you would make it a sticky. I would love to be part of that.But like I said that type of discussion is a foreign language here.

I don't understand you, Pericles. How can you be so dismissive and evasive when it comes to an issue such as the (physical) safety of MESO members? This IS a major and substantive issue. This is not a petty argument. Why do you consider this "childish fecal matter"?

You've made some valuable contributions to this forum that have helped several members. I just don't understand why you would crawl into bed with a source who is actively threatening members. Why do you then feel compelled to make personal attacks against me and MESO and then run away rather than address my concerns over this?

 

[Pericles]

I don't understand you, Pericles. How can you be so dismissive and evasive when it comes to an issue such as the (physical) safety of MESO members? This IS a major and substantive issue. This is not a petty argument. Why do you consider this "childish fecal matter"?

You've made some valuable contributions to this forum that have helped several members. I just don't understand why you would crawl into bed with a source who is actively threatening members. Why do you then feel compelled to make personal attacks against me and MESO and then run away rather than address my concerns over this?

Mllard. I was in no way advocating anyone getting harmed. You need to step back and look at what is happening here. Thread after thread gets derailed on this forum. Go read them. Look at the post I just made on the 13 weeks out thread. I did not catch that the OP was doing physique instead of bb. The topic immediately became several posts about me being an idiot. Mands, who I have always been respectful towards decided to insult me again, and then Beezil jumped in.

A couple of days ago, Beezil PMed me asking about his wife's cycle. He said that his wife's trainer had, what we both considered to be bad advice. The problem was she was set on taking the trainers' advice.

I suggested to him that he present his argument on 2 fronts: What we wanted her to do would provide more stable levels, thus reducing sides and being safer: Then "you will also look better that way".

The plan worked, and I get insulted for my efforts.

 

[beezil]

Mllard. I was in no way advocating anyone getting harmed. You need to step back and look at what is happening here. Thread after thread gets derailed on this forum. Go read them. Look at the post I just made on the 13 weeks out thread. I did not catch that the OP was doing physique instead of bb. The topic immediately became several posts about me being an idiot. Mands, who I have always been respectful towards decided to insult me again, and then Beezil jumped in.

A couple of days ago, Beezil PMed me asking about his wife's cycle. He said that his wife's trainer had, what we both considered to be bad advice. The problem was she was set on taking the trainers' advice.

I suggested to him that he present his argument on 2 fronts: What we wanted her to do would provide more stable levels, thus reducing sides and being safer: Then "you will also look better that way".

The plan worked, and I get insulted for my efforts.

help me out.... How did i insult you???

i responded back in the 13 weeks thread... because the first post said competing in physique.

i don't know much about male physique competitors... but i know they aren't weighing in at 235 or so...

in addition, you run on about telling the OP to run a bunch of gear. when you clearly didn't read what he posted in the original message....

as for my wife... you did have some things to say that made perfectly good sense. However, your methods of training and gear use is not the be all end all.

I don't believe people need to DIE to win a competition. I do believe that is one of your Mantra's.

 

[beezil]

PC,

what you are missing.... is the newer guys here or guys that don't have the experience are looking to the Vets for knowledge.

there is a distinct difference from running gear for longevity and running gear for competition.

those goals should be obtained before a cycle is laid out...

in addition, as a vet you should take responsibility for keeping a peaceful environment and not condoning member violence.... on this forum. I believe that is what Millard is saying. you aren't a noob.

 

[Millard]

Mllard. I was in no way advocating anyone getting harmed.

I didn't say you did. I commended you on highlighting the threat(s) and intervening to avert potential harm. But I would like to see more clarification on this threat. And I hope you just don't just distance yourself from such behavior but unequivocally condemn such threats of harm to members.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Mllard. I was in no way advocating anyone getting harmed. You need to step back and look at what is happening here. Thread after thread gets derailed on this forum. Go read them. Look at the post I just made on the 13 weeks out thread. I did not catch that the OP was doing physique instead of bb. The topic immediately became several posts about me being an idiot. Mands, who I have always been respectful towards decided to insult me again, and then Beezil jumped in.

I just read the 13 weeks thread. Not a single person disrespected you in that thread. Not ONE. The reason you *feel* you were insulted is because you are a classic narcissist. Unless people are heaping praise and adoration on you, and asking for your advice, you feel slighted, disrespected and unappreciated. Your narcissism IS the reason YOU are involved - in one way or another - in 95% of the conflicts at Meso.

Regarding your statement that "every thread gets derailed on this forum," go back and reread the 13 weeks thread. The OP asked for advice and every post was on topic until you got your panties in a bunch and accused Beezil of embarrassing you. No reasonable person could read that thread and come away thinking Beezil embarrassed you. Yet YOU did. Think about that.

I've told you before that YOU are your own worst enemy. It's still true. When you feel you're not being given the "respect" you believe you're OWED, you lash out at anyone you *perceive* as disrespectful. And you're almost always wrong with your perceptions. For you to actually believe Beezil of all people attacked you is just incredible. Beezil is one of the most respectful people I've ever met online. I've never seen Beezil embarrass or attack ANYONE.

You're going to continue to have the same problems over and over until you address the issues I've raised, I sincerely hope you do, PC.

CBS
Head shrinker

 

[Dr JIM]

Hey PC did you have ANY FRIENDS in the playground of yesteryear, or did YOU alienate everyone?

:banghead:
JIM

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Millard: Here is the type of discussions a forum should have: https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134350114

All I see is your post followed by one reply. That's hardly a discussion. Or perhaps no one questioning your "brilliance" is your idea of a discussion.

Read it, please. Then explain to me why that sort of discussion rapidly falls into oblivion, while childish fecal matter, like this thread goes on forever.?

Millard's already mentioned that threats aren't childish fecal matter. Regarding other threads, there is only so much discussion a topic warrants. Once the topic has been exhausted, it's normal for the thread to go OT. Often times, other topics that get raised in the original discussion lead to other interesting topics and discussions. Sometimes threads just devolve into nonsense. That happens everywhere, including real life discussions, not just Meso.

Go over to TID, and then compare the types of discussions there. They are substantive, members treat each other with respect. The goal is to help everyone improve. I don't know what the goal is here, besides winning petty arguments.

The goal at Meso is to arrive at the truth through vigorous debate and discussion. Sometimes things get heated but that's what you get with uncensored debates. Personally, I like that because it makes it interesting. The only winner in "petty debates" should be the truth. The truth is always the goal.

Is vigorous debate for everyone? No - not for those with delicate sensibilities and especially not for those who usually end up on the losing side. But, that's why there are other forums - forums that take the approach that everyone's opinion counts. Unfortunately, opinions don't necessarily mean the truth and that's why I prefer Meso's evidence based model.

What you're proposing is a heavily moderated forum - one that is able to protect you from insults by denying its member's freedom; one that is willing to protect the peace by denying the truth. IOW, a totalitarian model. To that I offer the following quote:

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." -- Thomas Jefferson

That is why MESO is universally regarded as joke. OK, I am done with this thread. I will pop in from time to time, unless you decide to ban me. I hope some people read my thread on how to train after steroids, and I will be happy to help them. If you were really interested in promoting substantive discussions you would make it a sticky. I would love to be part of that.But like I said that type of discussion is a foreign language here.

Who universally regards Meso as a joke? You for not getting the respect you "think" you deserve? Your employer who threatened Meso members and was run out of here? Whoever it is, it's a short list. Millard and Meso are highly respected everywhere in the community. People from all over the community know that when they come to Meso they're not going to be given bro science. Is Meso perfect? Of course not, but it's come as close to perfect as any board I've seen. And that is not my opinion, it's a fact.

Regards

CBS