Enhanced Testing Database

[readalot]

Thread to track all of the great vendor / member activities in the enhanced testing arena. The other thread covers only Projects 1 - 3 (demonstration); vendor/member activity can be found.

Slowly a surveillance database for raw AAS and GH quality/impurities can be built for additional testing (additional to API purity, HPLC, etc ). If nothing is found then that's a great result to track as well. The data will be available for those interested.

Scope:

1. Hplc Purity
2. GCMS
3. Expanded metals list
4. Endotoxins
5. Residual solvents
6. Sterility

 

[readalot]

Heavy metal testing on finished oils @GenericAsia

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'GenericAsia - International & US Domestic'

Oct 31, 2024

Heavy metals - by GenericAsia from Janoshik

NPP 150mg/ml
Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/ml
Testosterone Cypionate 250mg/ml
Testosterone Propionate 100mg/ml
Trenbolone A 100mg/ml
Trenbolone E 200mg/ml
Masteron P 100mg/ml
Masteron E 200mg/ml
Cut Stack 150mg/ml
Primobolan 200mg/ml
EQ 300mg/ml
Deca 300mg/ml
Sustanon 270mg/ml

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All metal data can be requested with raw data request.

Sterility testing on finished oils @GenericAsia

Post in thread 'Readalots Enhanced Testing'

Nov 8, 2024

Sterility test by Generic Asia - Janoshik

Testosterone Cypionate 250mg/ml
Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/ml
Testosterone Propionate 100mg/ml
Primobolan 200mg/ml
Cut Stack 150mg/ml
Masteron 200mg/ml
Masteron 100mg/ml
Trenbolone E 200mg/ml
Trenbolone A 100mg/ml
Sustanon 270mg/ml
Deca 300mg/ml
EQ 300mg/ml
NPP 150mg/ml


your welcome guys, enjoy the tests.

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[readalot]

@ironlion Sterility testing on finished oils.

Post in thread 'ironlion-lab'

Nov 13, 2024

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[readalot]

@kits4less Sterility test on HGH blue top batch J

Endotoxins on same batch

 

[readalot]

Matrix (SST vendor)

Heavy metals test on raw AAS

Sterility on finished oil

 

[readalot]

@TheLobster

Assumed to be forthcoming....

Post in thread 'The Lobster International,EU and UK domestic HGH,PEPTIDES and Turkish Pharmacy'

Nov 4, 2024

Wanted to understand what you are testing? What tests and what products are being tested?

Thank you for the update.

Hello

Please open our website, click on “Lab Test Results,” and check it. Already 20++ test i done

Thank you.

Upcoming test results

GCMS screening
LCMS screening
Heavy metals screening (As, Cd, Pb, Hg)
Endotoxin analysis

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[readalot]

@Axle Labs long excuse why he never did what he said he would do (9 months and counting)

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Axle Labs - US Domestic'

Oct 14, 2024

I have yet to order from Axle, probably never will. One thing I will say about him; as soon as the issues with guaiacol contamination became an issue, ever since, he has provided guaiacol testing on ALL of his injectables per my suggestion. There has been a fairly significant amount of effort on his part to redeem himself, so I wouldn't write him off yet.


As of now, 0 sources have done sterility testing, which to me is both mind blowing for how cheap it is and also suspicious.

The requested test was impurity / metals testing on raws, which we did send off to jano to do...

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[readalot]

@NeoAnabolics

Presumed forthcoming:

1. Sterility on finished oil

Well, two samples are being sent for sterility testing for current batches. For the up coming brews I am going to get raws tested before brewing.

2. Has also offered to properly test raws before brewing on upcoming batch. Welcome improvement to current standard here if implemented.

 

[BigNoOne]

Everything came back fine. This database is showing that there are no concerns.

You want to create a “upper tier” level of sources but without even trying, they are showing their current products are at that level.

Who’s going to pay extra for something that isn’t really any better than what’s being produced now?

 

[readalot]

You want to create a “upper tier” level of sources

Not quite. I want sources to test their products consistent with their claims. If a source makes a pharma grade claim, where are the receipts?

What allowed you to make the observation you just did that everything came back fine? Yes, someone had to do the work. We have covered this, but in your opinion, does the database in its current coverage allow you to conclude with any certainty that everything is fine in the UGL universe? Or would additional surveillance be necessary to make a statistically valid conclusion? A little early to declare victory, don't ya think?

Before we ask for a premium grade of product, maybe we need some data to properly assess the landscape. Vendors who assist with this deserve credit IMO. Hence a higher tier of vendor who does the QC. Better than continuing on with the unsubstantiated marketing claims.

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The community will decide if they will or not pay for the surveillance and data to draw meaningful conclusions.

Yes, someone will have to pay for the surveillance that today is sorely missing IMO. Either it comes from vendor margin or increased prices. I'm agnostic and focused on the data. Let the market decide.

 

[readalot]

there are no concerns.

If you get this figured out or already have, let me know:

Post in thread 'Readalots Enhanced Testing'

Nov 12, 2024

That's a good find.

Appreciate it and my pleasure.

My hypothesis is the Test E reference standard will come through GCMS 99%+ unscathed. I don't think the vast majority of structural impurities detected in the Test ester raws are an artifact of the GCMS measurement. They are present in the raw.

What's your temperature program on the GCMS? 180 to 300 deg C range?

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Jano and I are curious and no clear answer yet.

No concerns? I can't say that at all. It's why QC exists and is an ongoing process. If it wasn't needed Pharma industry could save a bundle.

 

[BigNoOne]

If you get this figured out or already have, let me know:

Post in thread 'Readalots Enhanced Testing'

Nov 12, 2024

That's a good find.

Appreciate it and my pleasure.

My hypothesis is the Test E reference standard will come through GCMS 99%+ unscathed. I don't think the vast majority of structural impurities detected in the Test ester raws are an artifact of the GCMS measurement. They are present in the raw.

What's your temperature program on the GCMS? 180 to 300 deg C range?

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Jano and I are curious and no clear answer yet.

No concerns? I can't say that at all. It's why QC exists and is an ongoing process. If it wasn't needed Pharma industry could save a bundle.

How are compounds tested for purity that are used by the compounding pharmacies. Do the same.

It’s HPLC testing. You don’t need to reinvent the wheel just because Jano doesn’t have the calibration standards to determine what that “junk” is. The pharmacies don’t.

 

[BigNoOne]

The community will decide if they will or not pay for the surveillance and data to draw meaningful conclusions.

Has the community decided? When was the vote?

Because you keep going to source threads and making it seem like the “readalot enhanced testing” is a new requirement.

 

[readalot]

How are compounds tested for purity that are used by the compounding pharmacies. Do the same.

It’s HPLC testing. You don’t need to reinvent the wheel just because Jano doesn’t have the calibration standards to determine what that “junk” is. The pharmacies don’t.

Post in thread 'Readalots Enhanced Testing'

Nov 14, 2024

How are compounds tested for purity that go to the compounding pharmacies. Do the same.

It’s HPLC testing.

Let @janoshik know so he can quit the research. @BigNoOne already know that -ene impurities of Testosterone esters missing a proton on two adjacent carbon atoms in the gonane ring are properly resolved on his HPLC setup and not counted in the API peak. You could have saved him 200 USD on the reference standard he just purchased. He could use an analytical chemistry guru such as yourself.

All "HPLC" is the same. Got it.

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I'm sure Jano will be pleased you have cleared that up for him.

You are fundamentally missing the issue.

 

[readalot]

Has the community decided? When was the vote?

Because you keep going to source threads and making it seem like the “readalot enhanced testing” is a new requirement.

Make it seem?

A source should back up their claims. If the community learns a bit from my posts then great. Some education is definitely needed. A requirement? Absolutely for me. Don't trust and verify. Enough of these pharma grade claims with nothing behind them.

If a source just wants to do HPLC. Fine. Just dont claim pharma grade. Simple.

 

[BigNoOne]

Make it seem?

A source should back up their claims. If the community learns a bit from my posts then great. Some education is definitely needed. A requirement? Absolutely for me. Don't trust and verify. Enough of these pharma grade claims with nothing behind them.

If a source just wants to do HPLC. Fine. Just dont claim pharma grade. Simple.

I think you should call the FDA Karen and report them for using “pharmaceutical” when they aren’t.

I’m holding my breath. I’m sure your testing will identify something one of these times.

You’ve been speaking in hypotheticals for almost a year now. I respect that you spent a good deal of money on this. But unfortunately you could probably spend 2x to 3x more and it still wouldn’t be real.

 

[readalot]

it still wouldn’t be real.

Real? Believe me, the money was real LOL.

Just my testing? That would be a real shame.

No comments on my QC / surveillance arguments?

Is your hypothesis that all UGL gear is free of any significant impurities tested for by pharma? How would you test such a hypothesis?

 

[BigNoOne]

Find something. Anything. Real.

You will have community-wide support.

Test some shitty Asian gear. Whatever. The worst of the worst. Just find something to show that any of this has value.

 

[readalot]

Find something. Anything. Real.

You will have community-wide support.

Test some shitty Asian gear. Whatever. The worst of the worst. Just find something to show that any of this has value.

You sure?

Value? We aren't aligned on the premise. I wouldn't have spent the money if this wasn't of value.

 

[BigNoOne]

You sure?

Value? We aren't aligned on the premise. I wouldn't have spent the money if this wasn't of value.

I suppose we all sleep better now knowing the tren is beating up on our kidneys but at least there’s no endotoxins causing us issues.