Source QC and C of A (do you have one?)

[readalot]

Ironlion: said they would contact Jano on sterility testing

Axle: wouldn't believe anything he says. Watch actions.

Neo: well, you know. Looking to score some promotion points with one off sterility test. Did not sound genuine on really rasing the bar

GenericAsia: said he would address my comments on the testing and that he would share details.

Matrix Labs (SST): agreed to sending in some samples for metals and endotoxins.

Not much progress at this point. Thanks for asking.

Also kits4less (approached @ SST). Said they would try sterility and endotoxin screen on their GH.

 

[carbon adams]

@readalot Where did you get the deca from ? A clinic I assume ?

Have you requested sterility testing and heavy metal testing from the clinic ?

if yes, can we see those results.

If not, what makes you assume the deca from
The clinic is heavy metal free and sterile ?

Also if not, are you going to send in a sample of it so we can have that to compare to the ugl ones ?

 

[readalot]

@readalot Where did you get the deca from ? A clinic I assume ?

The nandrolone decanoate I am using comes from a 503b outsourcing facility (basically a higher tier compounding pharmacy). Never take AAS from a clinic. Always make sure it comes from a pharmacy. The only legal source of nandrolone decanoate in the US is compounding pharmacies.

Have you requested sterility testing and heavy metal testing from the clinic ?

No. Again, the shrewd consumer would contact the compounder or pharma company and request a C of A like the one I posted in this thread for my pharma test cyp. You don't request this info from the clinic.

It's funny you should ask this though. Some compounders refuse to share the C of A with the patient and instead only share with clinic. They hide behind some kind of IP BS. It is a big red flag that puts them on same footing with UGL IMO. Hence nothing more than legal UGL.

I am currently still getting the run around on the C of A. Empower is the pharmacy. I would accept the C of A if acceptable based on USP standards.

if yes, can we see those results.

If I get it I will share it.

If not, what makes you assume the deca from
The clinic is heavy metal free and sterile ?

You can go to FDA website and read inspection reports from compounding pharmacies. They are entertaining. If no C of A is provided then I have no documentation to show that the product is sterile and below spec for various USP impurities. I do have the modest assurance it is a 503b facility with clean room and sterility procedures.

Personal anecdote: I have been using this vial for a few weeks with no adverse reactions or infection.

Also if not, are you going to send in a sample of it so we can have that to compare to the ugl ones ?

If I don't receive the C of A I will look elsewhere next time for a compounder who will provide them for their injectable products. Having to test your pharma product for sterility and potency is asinine but noble on the part of the customer/patient.

 

[carbon adams]

. Never take AAS from a clinic.

why not ?

 

[iris]

Also kits4less (approached @ SST). Said they would try sterility and endotoxin screen on their GH.

In that case, we would know that is also a test that would refer to The Lobster, because the last we heard was that kit4less has been buying it from him, to resell.

 

[readalot]

why not ?

Counterfeit and illegal. Clinics aren't legally allowed to dispense these products.

I spend a lot of kcals answering your questions. Please also do me the same courtesy when digesting the info I share and when responding back.

 

[readalot]

In that case, we would know that is also a test that would refer to The Lobster, because the last we heard was that kit4less has been buying it from him, to resell.

I honestly can't keep track. I spend too much time as it is. How can one keep tabs on every roach in the house.

Thanks for the Intel. What a hellscape.

 

[readalot]

Ironlion: said they would contact Jano on sterility testing

IL has confirmed they have sent some of their injectables line to Jano for sterility testing. Way to go @ironlion.

 

[carbon adams]

I spend a lot of kcals answering your questions. Please also do me the same courtesy when digesting the info I share and when responding back.

My last question for now. If I may , sir ?

When all the sterility and heavy metal testing come back passing with flying colors. What will be your first reaction ?

Shit your pants , cry (sad tears of course ), faint?

Which it is it will be sir?

Genuinely curious and sincere because I have feeling you want the test results to come back bad at this point , not that your a bad person, but all this campaigning and talking about it , if the results came back fine, that would most likely upset you a little , no?

 

[iris]

Here is the creep, the retard that says people chase him around the forum.
Oh, look.
Go and stick some tea tree oil where the sun doesn't shine, tuna melt from hell

 

[readalot]

When all the sterility and heavy metal testing come back passing with flying colors. What will be your first reaction ?

Shit your pants , cry (sad tears of course ), faint?

Which it is it will be sir?

Genuinely curious and sincere

not that your a bad person

would most likely upset you a little , no?

Sounds super sincere. I appreciate your concern for me.

Do you by chance design experiments or do statistics for a living?

 

[bigMoJo]

My last question for now. If I may , sir ?

When all the sterility and heavy metal testing come back passing with flying colors. What will be your first reaction ?

Shit your pants , cry (sad tears of course ), faint?

Which it is it will be sir?

Genuinely curious and sincere because I have feeling you want the test results to come back bad at this point , not that your a bad person, but all this campaigning and talking about it , if the results came back fine, that would most likely upset you a little , no?

Wouldn't we all have a little peace of mind, including you?
What if the results come back with impurities, what will you do?
You don't have to answer, it's just a rhetorical question.
Having opposing views promotes a healthy discussion that leads to better outcomes for all involved. I give you credit for standing up for what you think is right... give him credit for his.

 

[Avies48]

Wouldn't we all have a little peace of mind, including you?
What if the results come back with impurities, what will you do?
You don't have to answer, it's just a rhetorical question.
Having opposing views promotes a healthy discussion that leads to better outcomes for all involved. I give you credit for standing up for what you think is right... give him credit for his.

Well it can be said that for a short time most will perhaps have a bit of a piece of mind… but for how long? Will shops continue to also get these tests done? If so how often and with how many batches…

i mean if a place is going thru all the trouble of getting dimer and other stuff tested… one would hope that adding these other testing methods would also become standard… one would hope

Thanks @readalot for campaigning for this! Honestly its pretty awesome

 

[carbon adams]

Wouldn't we all have a little peace of mind, including you?
What if the results come back with impurities, what will you do?
You don't have to answer, it's just a rhetorical question.
Having opposing views promotes a healthy discussion that leads to better outcomes for all involved. I give you credit for standing up for what you think is right... give him credit for his.

Even though I’ve seen you join in with Iris and readalot to dislike or laugh at all my posts whenever you have the chance I’ll give you an answer.

The more he talks about it more I realized how It is officially flawed from the start.

Holc tests from sources can be cherry picked or different then their whole batch.

What makes you think the same can’t happen with the sterility testing and heavy metal testing.

Sure they can send in clean samples but there is no proof that the rest of their batch is clean and sterile. So sources sending in heavy metal and sterility testing for each batch won’t change shit about the standards of the ugl market at all.(a)

Thats first and foremost.

Now some more reasons why it’s flawed:

If .22 filter makes gear sterile and heavy metal free and they have been doing that the last 10-20 years they will not continue to test for something that hasn’t been an issue the last two decades. It will be a one and done type of thing or maybe 2x a year type of thing.

why would they continue to do it for every batch when they haven’t in the last 10-20 years . it would be evident at that point this is nothing new or alarming and doesn’t need to be tested for.

Also, technically janoshik is not accredited by the USA fda or dea, therefore the sterility and heavy metal testing he will do technically mean nothing More than that of UGL standard, correct ?

So readalot wouldn’t even be satisfied, since it wouldn’t be accredited by the fda or dea or whatever he bases most of his sterility testing studies off of.

Thinking every batch should be tested for heavy metals and sterility is complete asinine and useless. Based off (a) primarily.

He has one hope left. That we come to find out .22 filter is not good enough and they need to find other filters.

But it’s already been proven .22 filters are good enough.

As for what I would do if I found out the sources I used had impurities- I’d continue to monitor my bloodwork and see if there are any alarming anomalies and go from there- what else is there to do ?

 

[readalot]

Well it can be said that for a short time most will perhaps have a bit of a piece of mind… but for how long? Will shops continue to also get these tests done? If so how often and with how many batches…

i mean if a place is going thru all the trouble of getting dimer and other stuff tested… one would hope that adding these other testing methods would also become standard… one would hope

Thanks @readalot for campaigning for this! Honestly its pretty awesome

Yes it would have to be standard on each batch just like current HPLC testing.

Appreciate it Brother.

 

[readalot]

Even though I’ve seen you join in with Iris and readalot to dislike or laugh at all my posts whenever you have the chance I’ll give you an answer.

The more he talks about it more I realized how It is officially flawed from the start.

Holc tests from sources can be cherry picked or different then their whole batch.

What makes you think the same can’t happen with the sterility testing and heavy metal testing.

Sure they can send in clean samples but there is no proof that the rest of their batch is clean and sterile. So sources sending in heavy metal and sterility testing for each batch won’t change shit about the standards of the ugl market at all.(a)

Thats first and foremost.

Now some more reasons why it’s flawed:

If .22 filter makes gear sterile and heavy metal free and they have been doing that the last 10-20 years they will not continue to test for something that hasn’t been an issue the last two decades. It will be a one and done type of thing or maybe 2x a year type of thing.

why would they continue to do it for every batch when they haven’t in the last 10-20 years . it would be evident at that point this is nothing new or alarming and doesn’t need to be tested for.

Also, technically janoshik is not accredited by the USA fda or dea, therefore the sterility and heavy metal testing he will do technically mean nothing More than that of UGL standard, correct ?

So readalot wouldn’t even be satisfied, since it wouldn’t be accredited by the fda or dea or whatever he bases most of his sterility testing studies off of.

Thinking every batch should be tested for heavy metals and sterility is complete asinine and useless. Based off (a) primarily.

He has one hope left. That we come to find out .22 filter is not good enough and they need to find other filters.

But it’s already been proven .22 filters are good enough.

As for what I would do if I found out the sources I used had impurities- I’d continue to monitor my bloodwork and see if there are any alarming anomalies and go from there- what else is there to do ?

Dude. I'll just leave it at that.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Personal anecdote: I have been using this vial for a few weeks with no adverse reactions or infection.

On this topic specifically, people (myself included) have been roasted for citing anecdotal evidence along these lines.

"Just because you can't feel it doesn't mean it isn't there" or some such. Still don't feel it years or even decades later?
doesn't mean it isn't there (microplastics, endotoxins, heavy metals, mold, etc., etc.)

 

[readalot]

On this topic specifically, people (myself included) have been roasted for citing anecdotal evidence along these lines.

"Just because you can't feel it doesn't mean it isn't there" or some such. Still don't feel it years or even decades later?
doesn't mean it isn't there (microplastics, endotoxins, heavy metals, mold, etc., etc.)

Absolutely agree.

It is unacceptable this pharmacy won't provide a C of A to customer. If I can find an acceptable ugl, I'm probably there. Tired of this compounder BS to be quite honest.

170 USD for 2000 mg (10 ml at 200 mg/ml) and no C of A? Trust us. F that.

 

[carbon adams]

It is unacceptable this pharmacy won't provide a C of A to customer.

F’ that is right man! Who would spend extra money for that bullshit crap without a C o A?? Like what the heck are you doing ? As far as I’m concerned you’re injecting ugl from a compounding pharmacy right now.

If I can find an acceptable ugl, I'm probably there. Tired of this compounder BS to be quite honest.

Ummm hello…. Whats wrong with Stanford or Opti ? They are the longest standing US domestic sources here with no bad reports at all, you don’t have to worry about customs either.

Why haven’t you tried them yet ?

 

[DECLAN]

That’s it I am going organic now, bye steroids!