MESO-Rx Sponsor Primal Pharma - US Domestic

[crispybacon!]

Maybe you are exactly the problem i mentioned. Not everything is about you, your interests, and your expected standards. So maybe you aren’t suppose to do anything with “this”, but take a moment to reflect on how you are being perceived. Rabbit ears and thin skin is a bad way to go through life.

In a community of this size to have a handful of people try to dictate standards for the rest of us, says more about you, your personalities, and unclear motivations. I don’t think there is one single person here buying gear that wants “less safe” products, but yet a couple of malcontents, with seemingly personal grievances, try to hide behind the harm reduction philosophy to push personal agendas. A little self awareness goes a long way. Your games are transparent.

Every single vendor on this site has had issues. are you advocating digging through the archives and creating running tallies of every mistake they made so we can spam their thread on a daily basis? If this is the case, lead the charge. We can all go to the local pharmacy instead. The methods being used in this thread seem a little petty, hostile, and unnecessary.

I personally don’t care what you think about me. My only motivation is keeping a fair and balanced forum. I’ve personally watched you, and a handful like you, breed mistrust amongst members and create a toxic environment for anyone that holds different standards and opinions than yourself. For the record I would feel the same if you were showing up everyday to cheerlead. My feeling about you are nothing personal because I don’t know you. They are honest though.

There you go being vague again… “Maybe” I’m the problem. If I’m a problem, please, call me out, provide a few specifics, if you don’t mind.

I’ve actually bought Primal’s products, literally as recently as a couple of days ago, and I’ve also taken the time to send them in for testing. Those results identified discrepancies. I shared and discussed them here as well as with Primal privately. I also gave Primal credit for their generous testing policy. Primal has acknowledged the issues and stated they would improve. I’m simply asking for follow through. I’d do the same with any other vendor, but haven’t had to yet.

I’m guessing your username is meant to be ironic?

 

[crispybacon!]

Is this your new member introduction or is that still to come?

He actually has an intro, so I’ll give him that.

 

[ackmack78]

Maybe you are exactly the problem i mentioned. Not everything is about you, your interests, and your expected standards. So maybe you aren’t suppose to do anything with “this”, but take a moment to reflect on how you are being perceived. Rabbit ears and thin skin is a bad way to go through life.

In a community of this size to have a handful of people try to dictate standards for the rest of us, says more about you, your personalities, and unclear motivations. I don’t think there is one single person here buying gear that wants “less safe” products, but yet a couple of malcontents, with seemingly personal grievances, try to hide behind the harm reduction philosophy to push personal agendas. A little self awareness goes a long way. Your games are transparent.

Every single vendor on this site has had issues. are you advocating digging through the archives and creating running tallies of every mistake they made so we can spam their thread on a daily basis? If this is the case, lead the charge. We can all go to the local pharmacy instead. The methods being used in this thread seem a little petty, hostile, and unnecessary.

I personally don’t care what you think about me. My only motivation is keeping a fair and balanced forum. I’ve personally watched you, and a handful like you, breed mistrust amongst members and create a toxic environment for anyone that holds different standards and opinions than yourself. For the record I would feel the same if you were showing up everyday to cheerlead. My feeling about you are nothing personal because I don’t know you. They are honest though.

The idea that you're here to police us to keep the forum fair and balanced when youve been here less than 3 months is laughable. Your handles a joke, clearly you're not very good at minding your own business.

If you go back to the vendors first post with his mission statement which he has reiterated over and over the standard he's being held to is of his own creation. If he just came out and said this is how we operate it take it or leave it, there would be a lot less people trying to hold him to his own stated standard.

 

[Mindinmybizz]

Is this your new member introduction or is that still to come?

You’ve been here too long not to know how to find someone’s search history. Sad

I’d do the same with any other vendor, but haven’t had to yet.

If you are honestly saying every other vendor has received this type of scrutiny you are clearly lying. Im only advocating for proportional responses to issues. The selective enforcement is blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention.

I’m guessing your username is meant to be ironic?

And I assume yours is literally? Seriously?

youve been here less than 3 months is laughable

I guess there’s no plausible way I’ve been a member or around MESO longer than this account has been active. I was a guest for a long time. Noticed too many good members ostracized, banned, or just dejected by the mouth pieces with hidden agendas.

Debate my opinions, cause that’s all they are opinions. I don’t claim to know everything and I definitely don’t dictate anything. I solely offer at point of view that this echo chamber wants to drown out.

 

[Primal_Pharma]

Maybe you are exactly the problem i mentioned. Not everything is about you, your interests, and your expected standards. So maybe you aren’t suppose to do anything with “this”, but take a moment to reflect on how you are being perceived. Rabbit ears and thin skin is a bad way to go through life.

In a community of this size to have a handful of people try to dictate standards for the rest of us, says more about you, your personalities, and unclear motivations. I don’t think there is one single person here buying gear that wants “less safe” products, but yet a couple of malcontents, with seemingly personal grievances, try to hide behind the harm reduction philosophy to push personal agendas. A little self awareness goes a long way. Your games are transparent.

Every single vendor on this site has had issues. are you advocating digging through the archives and creating running tallies of every mistake they made so we can spam their thread on a daily basis? If this is the case, lead the charge. We can all go to the local pharmacy instead. The methods being used in this thread seem a little petty, hostile, and unnecessary.

I personally don’t care what you think about me. My only motivation is keeping a fair and balanced forum. I’ve personally watched you, and a handful like you, breed mistrust amongst members and create a toxic environment for anyone that holds different standards and opinions than yourself. For the record I would feel the same if you were showing up everyday to cheerlead. My feeling about you are nothing personal because I don’t know you. They are honest though.

They won’t get it, and that’s fine. The reality is most people don’t operate the way a loud minority does. I get emails EVRRY SINGLE DAY from members who don’t post at all, who are tired of the same few people turning every thread into a personal crusade and asking why that behavior is tolerated. The majority just watch and make their own decisions accordingly.

Forums like this have always worked that way. A small group argues loudly, most people observe quietly, and time exposes motivations. Anyone who’s been around long enough knows every vendor has issues at some point, and selectively rehashing them under the banner of “principle” doesn’t make the space safer or more honest, it just makes it hostile. People can see that for what it is.

 

[oldage]

Maybe you are exactly the problem i mentioned. Not everything is about you, your interests, and your expected standards. So maybe you aren’t suppose to do anything with “this”, but take a moment to reflect on how you are being perceived. Rabbit ears and thin skin is a bad way to go through life.

In a community of this size to have a handful of people try to dictate standards for the rest of us, says more about you, your personalities, and unclear motivations. I don’t think there is one single person here buying gear that wants “less safe” products, but yet a couple of malcontents, with seemingly personal grievances, try to hide behind the harm reduction philosophy to push personal agendas. A little self awareness goes a long way. Your games are transparent.

Every single vendor on this site has had issues. are you advocating digging through the archives and creating running tallies of every mistake they made so we can spam their thread on a daily basis? If this is the case, lead the charge. We can all go to the local pharmacy instead. The methods being used in this thread seem a little petty, hostile, and unnecessary.

I personally don’t care what you think about me. My only motivation is keeping a fair and balanced forum. I’ve personally watched you, and a handful like you, breed mistrust amongst members and create a toxic environment for anyone that holds different standards and opinions than yourself. For the record I would feel the same if you were showing up everyday to cheerlead. My feeling about you are nothing personal because I don’t know you. They are honest though.

Fair and balanced forum? This is a harm reduction forum. Whats being advocated is harm reduction.

 

[Savagen8v]

Alright homies so I'm not new to gear, but I'm also not experienced as some of the OG's I've learned to respect on this forum. So I'll jus keep my damn opinion to myself about what thoughts are on this supplier. There's a few ugl's that I've been reading through their shit that have had shit go wrong here and there (expected) but have made every attempt to fix it, correct it, or atleast come clean on what the fuck. Personally, I will take this as a lesson learned, a lesson in patience. I have a bottle of primals Deca 200 p10 and tren e 200 p12 that I'm waiting on a response from Jano so I have all the info on how to go about sending product in for testing. Once done I will post pics of results. All yall homies stay safe out there.
To all them OG's (photon, dialitin, them OG's) yall keep doing what yall doing. Not a damn thing wrong with trying to make sure a man keeps to the words coming out of his mouth. Much respect

 

[Mindinmybizz]

Fair and balanced forum? This is a harm reduction forum. Whats being advocated is harm reduction.

Personal agendas, and huge egos, veiled as harm reduction. This does not excuse any of the issues that have happened here previously, but imo most have been rectified. As a realist, I believe there is still room for improvement and think the vendor would concede he is learning and improving on the daily. I also think the community is best served with multiple solid sources that find a way to keep us all hitting the weights.

I’m checking out now because I doubt anything I’ve said will make an ounce of difference. I’m not here to change anyones mind, most people are too entrenched one way or another. No ill will towards anyone and stay safe out there gentleman.

 

[crispybacon!]

If you are honestly saying every other vendor has received this type of scrutiny you are clearly lying. Im only advocating for proportional responses to issues. The selective enforcement is blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention.

I never said that and never would. Unlike you, I say precisely what I mean…

I’ve only used a couple of vendors here and testing results have been good for the most part. Once a vendor didn’t have a test listed for some Anavar I previously purchased, and they agreed to pay for testing. I shared the results, and had the testing come back off, I would’ve called it out. Another vendor introduced some Test D and the results came back lower than expected. I mentioned it, it was discussed on the forum, he took ownership, and literally made good with everyone that purchased that batch. I won’t name other vendors in Primal’s thread, but you can check my post history to verify.

I’ve only placed a couple of orders with Primal. I ordered some TC250 that I tested and was under dosed when Primal’s test shows it at target. I was concerned about the rest of my vials, and to Primal’s credit, he agreed to pay to test them all. Unfortunately, they all came back below target. Shit happens, and I appreciated the way he handled it so I placed another order recently. I will have that tested too. I’ll share the results for better or worse and let the chips fall where they may.

What about my behavior gives you the impression that I’ve got it in for Primal? I’m hoping things improve. I want more reliable sources. My current issues is the lack of follow through on commitments. Not test variances (that still matters). I just want him to do what he’s claiming he will do. For example, adding volumetric flasks, larger equipment, homogeneous batches, testing raws (I didn’t say that, he did). If he doesn’t want to do that, I wish he would just say it.

 

[desertwarrior]

@Primal_Pharma I think what everyone actually wants is clean properly dosed gear. We want to be able to trust that a vial labeled with a certain batch number is actually the batch tested and verified by jano. Oh and no plastic. Seems pretty simple. To address these very valid concerns from customers that have not only ordered from you but also tested products which is all to YOUR benefit, by discounting them and pointing to your sales volume, seems pretty crazy. Especially with the promises you made in your intro.

A proper response to issues like these are addressing them head on. Take responsibility. If your brewer screwed the pooch just say that. Scold the incompetent son of a bitch or find someone new. Keep improving like you claimed you would. Don’t cry about meso being mean and threaten to go private, cause we don’t give a fuck. This is our house. I’d say to head over to sst but we both know you weren’t approved to source there

 

[Targeted]

I’ve seen amazing brewers run off Meso for the pettiest nonsense. Im sure they get bulk offers from guys that really move gear. Make enough to keep grinding and improving. And eventually come back rebranded. Always something

 

[jackmeoff1]

There you go being vague again… “Maybe” I’m the problem.

You aren’t the problem at all brother. The other guy is the epitome of why UGL standards are gradually degrading. 10 years ago, 90% of these sources would be run off before the thread made it to 5 pages. What would be left are sources that didn’t lie and produce inconsistent test results. Everyone gets a pass these days.

People tend to forget that this is a self regulated market. At the crux of it, it is YOU who is contributing to the regulating. The other guy is soft and leans toward tribalism. Don’t listen to him.

 

[hellerhiwater]

i personally dont see anything wrong or unfair about photon and co's criticisms. someone posted right after photon's initial daily warning thing about how primal's response is the measure of what he's made of. i think it was spot on.

it doesn't seem to me that photon wants to "take down" primal or prop up another source. it seems like photon recognizes this is a popular source and saw that primal (at least initially) made a verbal and irl effort at raising the bar and setting a new standard, a standard that would benefit everyone.

he'll almost certainly never admit it, but it seems to me like its a classic case of high hopes and disappointment. imo photon genuinely thought primal was going to be the chosen one, that he was destined to bring balance to the gear, and destroy the shady ugls--not join them. then it started not going that way and homie is just genuinely disappointed.

I am SO certain that if the few suggestions were followed that primal would see a giant outpouring of legitimate support and tons of referrals. but maybe that is too much and going private is the better move in general.

my personal opinion: primal has/had good intentions, but got overwhelmed by the success and made the classic mistake of diving in headfirst instead of getting out of the pool to reassess. that stopper thing imo was huge, and taking the time to redo the stuff and make it clear what people were getting should they choose to order it, plus rectifying the under-dosed primo or whatever--idk its just clear primal isn't hopeless or a bad dude.

i think we are just all on a bunch of androgens and tensions get high and people double down and it seems like the end of the world to give an inch without being able to save face.

 

[spameggsushi]

uhhhh so is his shit safe or not.... lol

 

[danny91t]

he'll almost certainly never admit it, but it seems to me like its a classic case of high hopes and disappointment. imo photon genuinely thought primal was going to be the chosen one, that he was destined to bring balance to the gear, and destroy the shady ugls--not join them. then it started not going that way and homie is just genuinely disappointed

W Star Wars reference. If I could give you double likes, I would lol

 

[AlexDavis43]

i personally dont see anything wrong or unfair about photon and co's criticisms. someone posted right after photon's initial daily warning thing about how primal's response is the measure of what he's made of. i think it was spot on.

it doesn't seem to me that photon wants to "take down" primal or prop up another source. it seems like photon recognizes this is a popular source and saw that primal (at least initially) made a verbal and irl effort at raising the bar and setting a new standard, a standard that would benefit everyone.

he'll almost certainly never admit it, but it seems to me like its a classic case of high hopes and disappointment. imo photon genuinely thought primal was going to be the chosen one, that he was destined to bring balance to the gear, and destroy the shady ugls--not join them. then it started not going that way and homie is just genuinely disappointed.

I am SO certain that if the few suggestions were followed that primal would see a giant outpouring of legitimate support and tons of referrals. but maybe that is too much and going private is the better move in general.

my personal opinion: primal has/had good intentions, but got overwhelmed by the success and made the classic mistake of diving in headfirst instead of getting out of the pool to reassess. that stopper thing imo was huge, and taking the time to redo the stuff and make it clear what people were getting should they choose to order it, plus rectifying the under-dosed primo or whatever--idk its just clear primal isn't hopeless or a bad dude.

i think we are just all on a bunch of androgens and tensions get high and people double down and it seems like the end of the world to give an inch without being able to save face.

brevity is the soul of wit (no one wants to read a novel on thinksteroids)

just for future reference

 

[Targeted]

Have Janos standard deviations been mentioned? I mean 250x.9=225. So ignoring the standard deviation some of these compounds are almost within 10%

Plastic contamination obviously needs some attention

 

[Photon]

Have Janos standard deviations been mentioned? I mean 250x.9=225. So ignoring the standard deviation some of these compounds are almost within 10%

Plastic contamination obviously needs some attention

Yes Jano variance is roughly 2 percent.

 

[hellerhiwater]

brevity is the soul of wit (no one wants to read a novel on thinksteroids)

just for future reference

my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

 

[Photon]

i personally dont see anything wrong or unfair about photon and co's criticisms. someone posted right after photon's initial daily warning thing about how primal's response is the measure of what he's made of. i think it was spot on.

it doesn't seem to me that photon wants to "take down" primal or prop up another source. it seems like photon recognizes this is a popular source and saw that primal (at least initially) made a verbal and irl effort at raising the bar and setting a new standard, a standard that would benefit everyone.

he'll almost certainly never admit it, but it seems to me like its a classic case of high hopes and disappointment. imo photon genuinely thought primal was going to be the chosen one, that he was destined to bring balance to the gear, and destroy the shady ugls--not join them. then it started not going that way and homie is just genuinely disappointed.

I am SO certain that if the few suggestions were followed that primal would see a giant outpouring of legitimate support and tons of referrals. but maybe that is too much and going private is the better move in general.

my personal opinion: primal has/had good intentions, but got overwhelmed by the success and made the classic mistake of diving in headfirst instead of getting out of the pool to reassess. that stopper thing imo was huge, and taking the time to redo the stuff and make it clear what people were getting should they choose to order it, plus rectifying the under-dosed primo or whatever--idk its just clear primal isn't hopeless or a bad dude.

i think we are just all on a bunch of androgens and tensions get high and people double down and it seems like the end of the world to give an inch without being able to save face.

If you've followed this thread, dudes been lying since he joined 6 months ago..multiple tc vials sent for testing..no results, even gone as far as to say Jano forgot to test..multiple raws sent for testing..no results anywhere. Primo raws used for brewing?..was just reselling Chinese gear..sending eq for testing, waited for results but nothing actually sent.

The only way to actually know what you're using..is to test..not one but all vials you're using. Ones just not sufficient if you've seen the testing results.