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[AlexDavis43]

i personally dont see anything wrong or unfair about photon and co's criticisms. someone posted right after photon's initial daily warning thing about how primal's response is the measure of what he's made of. i think it was spot on.

it doesn't seem to me that photon wants to "take down" primal or prop up another source. it seems like photon recognizes this is a popular source and saw that primal (at least initially) made a verbal and irl effort at raising the bar and setting a new standard, a standard that would benefit everyone.

he'll almost certainly never admit it, but it seems to me like its a classic case of high hopes and disappointment. imo photon genuinely thought primal was going to be the chosen one, that he was destined to bring balance to the gear, and destroy the shady ugls--not join them. then it started not going that way and homie is just genuinely disappointed.

I am SO certain that if the few suggestions were followed that primal would see a giant outpouring of legitimate support and tons of referrals. but maybe that is too much and going private is the better move in general.

my personal opinion: primal has/had good intentions, but got overwhelmed by the success and made the classic mistake of diving in headfirst instead of getting out of the pool to reassess. that stopper thing imo was huge, and taking the time to redo the stuff and make it clear what people were getting should they choose to order it, plus rectifying the under-dosed primo or whatever--idk its just clear primal isn't hopeless or a bad dude.

i think we are just all on a bunch of androgens and tensions get high and people double down and it seems like the end of the world to give an inch without being able to save face.

brevity is the soul of wit (no one wants to read a novel on thinksteroids)

just for future reference

 

[Targeted]

Have Janos standard deviations been mentioned? I mean 250x.9=225. So ignoring the standard deviation some of these compounds are almost within 10%

Plastic contamination obviously needs some attention

 

[Photon]

Have Janos standard deviations been mentioned? I mean 250x.9=225. So ignoring the standard deviation some of these compounds are almost within 10%

Plastic contamination obviously needs some attention

Yes Jano variance is roughly 2 percent.

 

[hellerhiwater]

brevity is the soul of wit (no one wants to read a novel on thinksteroids)

just for future reference

my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

 

[Photon]

i personally dont see anything wrong or unfair about photon and co's criticisms. someone posted right after photon's initial daily warning thing about how primal's response is the measure of what he's made of. i think it was spot on.

it doesn't seem to me that photon wants to "take down" primal or prop up another source. it seems like photon recognizes this is a popular source and saw that primal (at least initially) made a verbal and irl effort at raising the bar and setting a new standard, a standard that would benefit everyone.

he'll almost certainly never admit it, but it seems to me like its a classic case of high hopes and disappointment. imo photon genuinely thought primal was going to be the chosen one, that he was destined to bring balance to the gear, and destroy the shady ugls--not join them. then it started not going that way and homie is just genuinely disappointed.

I am SO certain that if the few suggestions were followed that primal would see a giant outpouring of legitimate support and tons of referrals. but maybe that is too much and going private is the better move in general.

my personal opinion: primal has/had good intentions, but got overwhelmed by the success and made the classic mistake of diving in headfirst instead of getting out of the pool to reassess. that stopper thing imo was huge, and taking the time to redo the stuff and make it clear what people were getting should they choose to order it, plus rectifying the under-dosed primo or whatever--idk its just clear primal isn't hopeless or a bad dude.

i think we are just all on a bunch of androgens and tensions get high and people double down and it seems like the end of the world to give an inch without being able to save face.

If you've followed this thread, dudes been lying since he joined 6 months ago..multiple tc vials sent for testing..no results, even gone as far as to say Jano forgot to test..multiple raws sent for testing..no results anywhere. Primo raws used for brewing?..was just reselling Chinese gear..sending eq for testing, waited for results but nothing actually sent.

The only way to actually know what you're using..is to test..not one but all vials you're using. Ones just not sufficient if you've seen the testing results.

 

[Targeted]

Have Janos standard deviations been mentioned? I mean 250x.9=225. So ignoring the standard deviation some of these compounds are almost within 10%

Plastic contamination obviously needs some attention…

But I remember when qsc had hgh kits jano testing something wild like 99.98… they were good but gtfoh they weren’t that

 

[Photon]

Have Janos standard deviations been mentioned?

Yes 2%.
Not 10%.

 

[AlexDavis43]

If you've followed this thread, dudes been lying since he joined 6 months ago..multiple tc vials sent for testing..no results, even gone as far as to say Jano forgot to test..multiple raws sent for testing..no results anywhere. Primo raws used for brewing?..was just reselling Chinese gear..sending eq for testing, waited for results but nothing actually sent.

The only way to actually know what you're using..is to test..not one but all vials you're using. Ones just not sufficient if you've seen the testing results.

you did all the work putting this together, might as well include the link for someone new who is asking questions

 

[Targeted]

Have Janos standard deviations been mentioned? I mean 250x.9=225. So ignoring the standard deviation some of these compounds are almost within 10%

Plastic contamination obviously needs some attention…

But I remember when qsc had hgh kits jano testing something wild like 99.98… they were good but gtfoh they weren’t that

Yes 2%.
Not 10%.

I wasn’t referring to 10% as a standard deviation. My understanding is within 10% is considered acceptable.

 

[osqe]

I wasn’t referring to 10% as a standard deviation. My understanding is within 10% is considered acceptable.

Acceptable to whom exactly?
For example, I don't want to be pinning 40mg/day Tren A when I thought it was 50mg/day because the 100mg/ml vial is 10% underdosed.

 

[Nsbb]

Acceptable to whom exactly?
For example, I don't want to be pinning 40mg/day Tren A when I thought it was 50mg/day because the 100mg/ml vial is 10% underdosed.

That would make it 20% underdosed lol. But I get your point.

Personally I like to see <5%

 

[osqe]

That would make it 20% underdosed lol. But I get your point.

Personally I like to see <5%

God damn I'm retarded lol

 

[Targeted]

God damn I'm retarded lol

So back to the point you actually made— do you think 45 would change anything?

I remember within 10% being acceptable. Should we rely on my memory? Hell no

Has it lowered with better testing— probably.

However it’s the worst time in history to buy raws. Did anyone notice anything else about primal? He actually has some. Have you noticed his prices?

Waiting to brew for raw testing to come back has a ton of draw backs. Inventory management exponentially, prices etc

Are you rolling the dice? Yes. But in this market?

I’m hearing a bunch of guys out of the game looking at historic decisions with 100% info in a vacuum. But after entertaining a guy pinning 1 or 2 mls of crashed gear into his stomach anything is possible

 

[osqe]

do you think 45 would change anything?

Yes, less Tren is enough for me to be a whiny bitch about.
Does it change anything, though?
Maybe, but whether it would or not isn't something I can prove and wouldn't bother trying to.
All I know is one line goes higher, and I want that one. If the 100mg/ml vial was 2% underdosed as @Photon mentioned (I tried math again, don't bully me), then it would be 49mg, I think. Much closer, and I wouldn't be butthurt.
45mg/day (10%)

49mg/day (2%)

50mg/day

 

[Jron]

Curious if raws are soooo expensive why are the unlabeled Chinese black top primo vials that I got for 80 a piece so cheap? I know price of raws did go up, that's not my point.

My point is how are Chinese vendors able to sell primo 200mg for 80 a vial and MANY domestic vendors wanna charge 160-200 a vial? Is using cheap EO really that much of a cost saving measure that they are making massive profits off that alone?

Chinese primo tested within 10% of acceptable range too. So far, only downside is they use EO??

 

[MisterT]

Curious if raws are soooo expensive why are the unlabeled Chinese black top primo vials that I got for 80 a piece so cheap? I know price of raws did go up, that's not my point.

My point is how are Chinese vendors able to sell primo 200mg for 80 a vial and MANY domestic vendors wanna charge 160-200 a vial? Is using cheap EO really that much of a cost saving measure that they are making massive profits off that alone?

Chinese primo tested within 10% of acceptable range too. So far, only downside is they use EO??

Look at the price of Primo raws. For Domestic to make their margins they need to charge $140-160 for a 200mg vial. China is making their margins selling finished oils instead of raws. They're making a FUCKING killing at $80 a vial.

Also they use Low Grade Vegi Oil and EO.

EDIT: At $80 a vial that's almost 30k per kg. I would never sell raws again if I was them.

 

[Missingintheabyss]

Curious if raws are soooo expensive why are the unlabeled Chinese black top primo vials that I got for 80 a piece so cheap? I know price of raws did go up, that's not my point.

My point is how are Chinese vendors able to sell primo 200mg for 80 a vial and MANY domestic vendors wanna charge 160-200 a vial? Is using cheap EO really that much of a cost saving measure that they are making massive profits off that alone?

Chinese primo tested within 10% of acceptable range too. So far, only downside is they use EO??

The Chinese suppliers probably aren't getting their raws from aas raws. No doubt removing a middle man or two, reducing costs

 

[crispybacon!]

I remember within 10% being acceptable. Should we rely on my memory? Hell no

Has it lowered with better testing— probably.

However it’s the worst time in history to buy raws. Did anyone notice anything else about primal? He actually has some. Have you noticed his prices?

Waiting to brew for raw testing to come back has a ton of draw backs. Inventory management exponentially, prices etc

10% from target isn’t the issue, and is acceptable (although good brewers seem to be able to deliver better results). It is the vial to vial variances within the same batch that is a problem. We’ve had test results from TC250-P10 come in at 220, 230, 240 and 250mg. That is the issue. That shouldn’t happen within the same batch.

As for raws, whether you test before or after brewing you end up with roughly the same number of vials to sell (slight difference if correcting for purity, but would be minimal). So profits would be the same. Several other vendors are testing raws before brewing and seem to be doing okay. More importantly, Primal said they would test their raws going forward. If they don’t intend to do that, they just need to say that.

 

[syuri]

Anyone tried the Test P? I ordered Prop twice within the span of their initial Xmas sale, the vials are different sizes. Same labels, same black caps. One vial is a standard Test taller vial, and another is the more common wider, slightly shorter one they typically use

 

[oldage]

you did all the work putting this together, might as well include the link for someone new who is asking questions

Search photon on this thread. He has.