UPDATE: Very Low-Dose hCG & Intratesticular Testosterone

Michael Scally MD

Doctor of Medicine
10+ Year Member
This recent study is a follow up of their published work, "Coviello AD, Matsumoto AM, Bremner WJ, et al. Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2005;90(5):2595-602." There is a discussion of this paper, including abstract, found here: https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134284785

I have to applaud the authors for the follow up study. I have not had the time to read the new study, but it incorporates an improved study design that I stated was a reason why the prior study was poor! In the prior study, the treatment group used was TE administration as the method to induce a decreased LH (i.e., hypogonadism). I stated a much better model would be the use of a GnRH agonist/antagonist. The new study makes use of the GnRH antagonist acyline.


From the study Introduction: We previously used this technique to examine the dose-response relationship between hCG as a proxy for LH and IT-T in normal men. However, although the doses of hCG in our previous work were lower than those used to treat patients with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism, IT-T concentrations were similar to those in untreated normal men. In addition, our previous work relied on exogenous testosterone to suppress the hypothalamic-pituitary- gonadal axis, and there was concern that the exogenous testosterone could potentially increase IT-T concentrations.

Therefore, in this study, we experimentally induced low levels of IT-T in normal men using the GnRH antagonist, acyline, and subsequently stimulated testicular testosterone biosynthesis with very low doses of hCG, lower than we used previously. In addition, we included a group of men treated with exogenous testosterone to determine whether treatment with testosterone would affect intratesticular steroid concentrations. In this way, we sought to ascertain the dose response relationship between very low doses of LH-like stimulation and IT-T in man.


Roth MY, Page ST, Lin K, et al. Dose-Dependent Increase in Intratesticular Testosterone by Very Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin in Normal Men with Experimental Gonadotropin Deficiency. J Clin Endocrinol Metab:jc.2010-0360.

Context and Objective: In men with infertility secondary to gonadotropin deficiency, treatment with relatively high dosages of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) stimulates intratesticular testosterone (IT-T) biosynthesis and spermatogenesis. Previously we found that lower dosages of hCG stimulated IT-T to normal. However, the minimal dose of hCG needed to stimulate IT-T and the dose-response relationship between very low doses of hCG and IT-T and serum testosterone in normal men is unknown.

Design, Setting, Patients, and Intervention: We induced experimental gonadotropin deficiency in 37 normal men with the GnRH antagonist acyline and randomized them to receive one of four low doses of hCG: 0, 15, 60, or 125 IU sc every other day or 7.5 g daily testosterone gel for 10 d. Testicular fluid was obtained by percutaneous aspiration for steroid measurements at baseline and after 10 d of treatment and correlated with contemporaneous serum hormone measurements.

Results: Median (25th, 75th percentile) baseline IT-T was 2508 nmol/liter (1753, 3502 nmol/liter). IT-T concentrations increased in a dose-dependent manner with very low-dosage hCG administration from 77 nmol/liter (40, 122 nmol/liter) to 923 nmol/liter (894, 1017 nmol/liter) in the 0- and 125-IU groups, respectively (P < 0.001). Moreover, serum hCG was significantly correlated with both IT-T and serum testosterone (P < 0.01).

Conclusion: Doses of hCG far lower than those used clinically increase IT-T concentrations in a dose-dependent manner in normal men with experimental gonadotropin deficiency. Assessment of IT-T provides a valuable tool to investigate the hormonal regulation of spermatogenesis in man.
 
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This recent study is a follow up of their published work, "Coviello AD, Matsumoto AM, Bremner WJ, et al. Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2005;90(5):2595-602." There is a discussion of this paper, including abstract, found here: https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134284785

I have to applaud the authors for the follow up study. I have not had the time to read the new study, but it incorporates an improved study design that I stated was a reason why the prior study was poor! In the prior study, the treatment group used was TE administration as the method to induce a decreased LH (i.e., hypogonadism). I stated a much better model would be the use of a GnRH agonist/antagonist. The new study makes use of the GnRH antagonist acyline.


From the study Introduction: We previously used this technique to examine the dose-response relationship between hCG as a proxy for LH and IT-T in normal men. However, although the doses of hCG in our previous work were lower than those used to treat patients with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism, IT-T concentrations were similar to those in untreated normal men. In addition, our previous work relied on exogenous testosterone to suppress the hypothalamic-pituitary- gonadal axis, and there was concern that the exogenous testosterone could potentially increase IT-T concentrations.

Therefore, in this study, we experimentally induced low levels of IT-T in normal men using the GnRH antagonist, acyline, and subsequently stimulated testicular testosterone biosynthesis with very low doses of hCG, lower than we used previously. In addition, we included a group of men treated with exogenous testosterone to determine whether treatment with testosterone would affect intratesticular steroid concentrations. In this way, we sought to ascertain the dose response relationship between very low doses of LH-like stimulation and IT-T in man.


Roth MY, Page ST, Lin K, et al. Dose-Dependent Increase in Intratesticular Testosterone by Very Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin in Normal Men with Experimental Gonadotropin Deficiency. J Clin Endocrinol Metab:jc.2010-0360.

Context and Objective: In men with infertility secondary to gonadotropin deficiency, treatment with relatively high dosages of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) stimulates intratesticular testosterone (IT-T) biosynthesis and spermatogenesis. Previously we found that lower dosages of hCG stimulated IT-T to normal. However, the minimal dose of hCG needed to stimulate IT-T and the dose-response relationship between very low doses of hCG and IT-T and serum testosterone in normal men is unknown.

Design, Setting, Patients, and Intervention: We induced experimental gonadotropin deficiency in 37 normal men with the GnRH antagonist acyline and randomized them to receive one of four low doses of hCG: 0, 15, 60, or 125 IU sc every other day or 7.5 g daily testosterone gel for 10 d. Testicular fluid was obtained by percutaneous aspiration for steroid measurements at baseline and after 10 d of treatment and correlated with contemporaneous serum hormone measurements.

Results: Median (25th, 75th percentile) baseline IT-T was 2508 nmol/liter (1753, 3502 nmol/liter). IT-T concentrations increased in a dose-dependent manner with very low-dosage hCG administration from 77 nmol/liter (40, 122 nmol/liter) to 923 nmol/liter (894, 1017 nmol/liter) in the 0- and 125-IU groups, respectively (P < 0.001). Moreover, serum hCG was significantly correlated with both IT-T and serum testosterone (P < 0.01).

Conclusion: Doses of hCG far lower than those used clinically increase IT-T concentrations in a dose-dependent manner in normal men with experimental gonadotropin deficiency. Assessment of IT-T provides a valuable tool to investigate the hormonal regulation of spermatogenesis in man.

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http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/95/8/3806.long (Dose-Dependent Increase in Intratesticular Testosterone by Very Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin in Normal Men with Experimental Gonadotropin Deficiency)
 
Thanks Dr. Scally ( someone needs to write a dedicated keyboard macro for that)
I`m gonna print this study and show it to my endo. May need an Rx for hcg.
 
Scally has said before that HCG is not needed whilst on TRT, but I think it sure makes it easier to come off TRT (if need be) when HCG has been used in conjunction.
i still dont know why people have 'coming off' in their minds because we're all on it because our body wont produce it.

i see you're in the UK also, what are you on for yours mate?
 
Hey Mac, I am on TRT by choice. I was low T and have a history of AAS use and some abuse, but added 250 IUS 2X a week in case I want to get off or I am forced to get off. Will it work, who knows, but my personal view is it's better than not having it.
 
Hey Mac, I am on TRT by choice. I was low T and have a history of AAS use and some abuse, but added 250 IUS 2X a week in case I want to get off or I am forced to get off. Will it work, who knows, but my personal view is it's better than not having it.
me too man, although i didnt abuse, the 'average' usage of just 6 AAS cycles was enough to bin my natty test.
i always was lead to believe that once we are diagnosed with low/no test production thats it for us and we're on synthetic for live?
 
me too man, although i didnt abuse, the 'average' usage of just 6 AAS cycles was enough to bin my natty test.
i always was lead to believe that once we are diagnosed with low/no test production thats it for us and we're on synthetic for live?

Me, I started taking roids at age 21 a decade ago. Had no problems until I stayed on Test Enanthate for 9 months solid. Got blood tested a year later by a urologist and his four eyed bitch of a secretary told me It was psychological because my T levels were higher than normal. Fast Forward 6 years, find out that my LH is elevated and so is my T. High LH means that my brain thinks my T is low. Find out about a rare condition called MAIS and diagnosed with it by a specialist. Guys with this condition need a higher level of testosterone. Everything was going so well, my endo was going to put me on Nebido then all of a sudden things go pear shaped. My T drops and so does LH. Endo might stll treat the low T but sade has different plans. If normal levels of T aren't going to work for him and if Nebido is only going to shutdown his natural now low T and only replace it with T levels he has had before, he is not going to feel better. sade is going to put himself on higher doses of T such as 250-300 mg a week and self treat.
 
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Me, I started taking roids at age 21 a decade ago. Had no problems until I stayed on Test Enanthate for 9 months solid. Got blood tested a year later by a urologist and his four eyed bitch of a secretary told me It was psychological because my T levels were higher than normal. Fast Forward 6 years, find out that my LH is elevated and so is my T. High LH means that my brain thinks my T is low. Find out about a rare condition called MAIS and diagnosed with it by a specialist. Guys with this condition need a higher level of testosterone. Everything was going so well, my endo was going to put me on Nebido then all of a sudden things go pear shaped. My T drops and so does LH. Endo might stll treat the low T but sade has different plans. If normal levels of T aren't going to work for him and if Nebido is only going to shutdown his natural now low T and only replace it with T levels he has had before, he is not going to feel better. sade is going to put himself on higher doses of T such as 250-300 mg a week and self treat.
Sade, can you not keep your off subject babblings in your own countless hypochondriac threads? referring to oneself in the third person speaks volumes of a person's demeanour......

and BTW, the R in TRT stands for 'replacement' which in effect, Nebido is for. the stuff isnt meant to be a 'cycle' and it also works very well in my experience.
 
Sade, can you not keep your off subject babblings in your own countless hypochondriac threads? referring to oneself in the third person speaks volumes of a person's demeanour......

and BTW, the R in TRT stands for 'replacement' which in effect, Nebido is for. the stuff isnt meant to be a 'cycle' and it also works very well in my experience.

Yeah, will do just that. No worries. Like I said before many many times. My body doesn't respond to normal levels even high normal levels of T. I need them way above the norml range. Way above. You see I'm a genetic freak of nature and was born to be different.
 
Sade, can you not keep your off subject babblings in your own countless hypochondriac threads? referring to oneself in the third person speaks volumes of a person's demeanour......

and BTW, the R in TRT stands for 'replacement' which in effect, Nebido is for. the stuff isnt meant to be a 'cycle' and it also works very well in my experience.
I thought the use of the 3rd person was creative and a bit funny. Like when George, in Seinfeld, would say: "Goerge is getting angry now!"
 
I thought the use of the 3rd person was creative and a bit funny. Like when George, in Seinfeld, would say: "Goerge is getting angry now!"
na man, its for raising oneself up on the 'importance' step in this instance
 
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