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KBD said:
You sure 2000iu E3d is not overkill?

I also heard not to go over 500iu over one day.
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It is NOT "overkill." I have done this over 1000+ times. Overkill (or underkill) is what you did with hCG, SERM, & Triptorelin. And what you want to do with adding hMG!!! I think it is time to take things step-by-step. But, hey, these are your BALLS so do what you will. Regardless, LABS.
 
Michael Scally MD said:
It is NOT "overkill." I have done this over 1000+ times. Overkill (or underkill) is what you did with hCG, SERM, & Triptorelin. And what you want to do with adding hMG!!! I think it is time to take things step-by-step. But, hey, these are your BALLS so do what you will. Regardless, LABS.
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Bro i didnt use HCG and Triptorelin together, i only used Triptorelin and SERMs AS YOU SAID that would be ok to do.

Now 2 weeks after the triptorelin shot, my LH levels are extremely low, so you said it was safe to proceed with HCG. Correct?
 
KBD said:
Bro i didnt use HCG and Triptorelin together, i only used Triptorelin and SERMs AS YOU SAID that would be ok to do.

Now 2 weeks after the triptorelin shot, my LH levels are extremely low, so you said it was safe to proceed with HCG. Correct?
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I did not mean to imply they were used together. Only, that you were using ALL things possible without a workup. No harm intended. But, your thoughts about hMG make me think that again you are trying to do the same thing. And, there is NO, NONE, NADA, ZIP harm for the hCG. Its sole purpose is to check and possibly restore the testes. It is ALL good.
 
Michael Scally MD said:
I did not mean to imply they were used together. Only, that you were using ALL things possible without a workup. No harm intended. But, your thoughts about hMG make me think that again you are trying to do the same thing. And, there is NO, NONE, NADA, ZIP harm for the hCG. Its sole purpose is to check and possibly restore the testes. It is ALL good.
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Ok well i did 2000iu of HCG yesterday, should i still continue clomid?
 
KBD said:
Bro i didnt use HCG and Triptorelin together, i only used Triptorelin and SERMs AS YOU SAID that would be ok to do.

Now 2 weeks after the triptorelin shot, my LH levels are extremely low, so you said it was safe to proceed with HCG. Correct?
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I do not recall the use of hCG after the Triptorelin. Please refresh my memory. There is no concern. I just want to have it for a proper evaluation. What hCG did you do prior to the labs? Tia
 
Michael Scally MD said:
I do not recall the use of hCG after the Triptorelin. Please refresh my memory. There is no concern. I just want to have it for a proper evaluation. What hCG did you do prior to the labs? Tia
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I didnt do HCG prior to labs, i did Triptorelin only..

The reason why i took HCG AFTER labs is because my LH is really low.. Sooo theres no chance of over stimulation then right?
 
GeorgeWBush said:
i've read a lot of conflicting things about hcg dosage, i remember bill roberts suggesting no more than 500iu a day
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There is a reason why there's a difference.

My work has been almost entirely with individuals who, unless they were already on HRT, had good HPTA function going into their cycles, or in some cases had only moderately impaired function but still within the normal range. My advice is based on results with such individuals, and what has been needed to get good HPTA function after cycles of reasonable length.

Dr Scally I would think has worked principally with individuals who had HPTA problems on coming to him, perhaps typically severe enough to seek medical help.

So these are two different populations and situations and so it's not surprising that needs and findings would differ.

When in the second situation, Dr Scally's advice will have much more basis than mine and I recommend going with what he says.

For the first situation, I do think my dosage recommendations are what they should be and they are proven to work well for this situation.
 
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GnRH analogue use leads to supression of GnRH receptors and thereby FSH and LH, even if it was a one-time injection. But don't be afraid, that doesn't mean you fucked up your system totally. 5 injections of FSH with the HCG is not too bad. Even in the medicine HCG is being used for high doses like 2000IU e3d and sometimes even more. But my experience is that such doses lead not only to severe aromatization but also to a higher suprimization of the axis.
You may try a high dose, but I wouldn't recommend that.

@Scally: as a professional, it is irresponsable to say HCG had no negative sides at all, which infact is wrong. my and many others experience shown different.
 
amar7 said:
GnRH analogue use leads to supression of GnRH receptors and thereby FSH and LH, even if it was a one-time injection. But don't be afraid, that doesn't mean you fucked up your system totally. 5 injections of FSH with the HCG is not too bad. Even in the medicine HCG is being used for high doses like 2000IU e3d and sometimes even more. But my experience is that such doses lead not only to severe aromatization but also to a higher suprimization of the axis.
You may try a high dose, but I wouldn't recommend that.

@Scally: as a professional, it is irresponsable to say HCG had no negative sides at all, which infact is wrong. my and many others experience shown different.
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i may have missed where he said that, i thought he was discussing the unlikelihood of harm from a particular HCG protocol he offers KBD for a particular purpose.
 
It seems to me like it just needs more time. But since you're comfortable with using, why wouldn't you just use HRT and blast and cruise anyway?
 
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