10x Rule?

[Skull]

All I know about this is it has to do with TT levels. Can someone please tell me exactly what its for an how you use it?

 

[Colt44]

In essence your TT values should be equal to 10x your dose of testosterone. 500mg/wk=5000ng/dl.

 

[Skull]

In essence your TT values should be equal to 10x your dose of testosterone. 500mg/wk=5000ng/dl.

So is that what everybody is looking for when they get their bloods done? An if its lower then that it would be underdosed gear?

 

[Colt44]

Yes. Ideally you'd want it as close to that number as possible.

 

[Skull]

Yes. Ideally you'd want it as close to that number as possible.

Will it vary person to person since ever bodies body chemistry is different or does that not matter?

 

[Colt44]

Welcome to the great debate

 

[Skull]

lol so its one of those questions huh? You would think with all of the smartest scientists and researches out their in the world they would have this one question without a doubt answered lol. Thanks for clarifing the 10x rule for me though. Its been bugging me for a while now an i know it probly wasnt the coolest thing to ask advice about. If I dont ask than i will never know lol.

 

[Kinikuman]

Will it vary person to person since ever bodies body chemistry is different or does that not matter?

Yes, it will vary between individuals, but not to a huge degree. In the example that Colt gave above, doing 500mg/wk, you should come back around 5000TT, based on the info provided by Dr. S. If you come back significantly lower (Less than 3000, say) than this number, it is considered to be a strong indicator that the gear was underdosed. However the only foolproof way to test gear is HPLC or MS. Since 2004, unfortunately there has been very little in the way of steroid research due to the stigma attached. Most of the research being done on AAS users at present is being conducted right here on the pages of this forum.

 

[lucabratzi]

From my understanding the only way to ever hit that is if your taking your dosage once a week. So if your on 500mg/wk that should be in one shot and blood should be taken 24 hrs after last shot.

Even then people metabolize things at differnt paces. So expect 7-10x

 

[Skull]

What if a person goes an gets tested but they have not been sleeping much or properly. Can or will this throw off numbers? I know that while a person is natty they can fake a blood test to get gear from their doctor by simply not sleeping the night before they get checked. Will this have a similar affect with somone on gear or is the gear going to over rule the fact that they havent slept because it is a synthetic version of test since the body is no longer actively producing it on its own anyway?

 

[lucabratzi]

Sleep isn't goin to drop ur tt levels noticeably while taking testosterone.

I've seen lack of sleep + stress + shitty diet drop natural levels 100+ points. But if ur levels are 3000+ ur not gonna notice a 100+/- difference

 

[Skull]

Sleep isn't goin to drop ur tt levels noticeably while taking testosterone.

I've seen lack of sleep + stress + shitty diet drop natural levels 100+ points. But if ur levels are 3000+ ur not gonna notice a 100+/- difference

ahh I see. Thanks brother I like learning new things. im making like a spounge arond here. im soaking it all up lol.

 

[ironwill1951]

that was a good read.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

As many have noted, the 10X is a rough estimate. The 10X is an easy number to recall. It is by no means a hard and fast rule, but using 7-10X is probably almost always the case. Also, the main reason I use the higher multiple is for ASIH (PCT). It is much better to over estimate rather than under when trying to restore the HPTA.

 

[BIGMESC]

@Michael Scally MD
Would this apply regardless of ester?
Test p for example would the blood levels balance at a a lower level due to the rapid assimilation/elimination?

 

[Skull]

As many have noted, the 10X is a rough estimate. The 10X is an easy number to recall. It is by no means a hard and fast rule, but using 7-10X is probably almost always the case. Also, the main reason I use the higher multiple is for ASIH (PCT). It is much better to over estimate rather than under when trying to restore the HPTA.

why would 7to 10x probly be the case?

 

[Kinikuman]

why would 7to 10x probly be the case?

I would guess that 30% is to account for different physiological differences between subjects.

 

[Skull]

I would guess that 30% is to account for different physiological differences between subjects.

aww ok cool. thanks bro for posting up.