DHT Cream

[DavidZ]

David, what did the DHT cream do to you when you took it the first time and why didnt you like it?

Just didn't feel right. Didn't feel bad, just didn't like the feeling. The feeling is hard to describe, kind of bloaty.

I've been on it again now for a week at less than half the dosage I was taking before. My initial reaction is very positive.

Why have you decided to take it again... is your libido suffering from low DHT levels?

Not libido, per se, but my energy level and erectile strength were waning. Also, my DHT levels have been low-normal for the last 2 years.

When I took it 4 years ago my DHT level shot up from about 35 to about 85 (normal range of 25 to 75). My goal now is to keep it about 50 to 60.

Has anyone here tried very small amounts of test cream on the testes as per Dr Shippen... to increase DHT levels specifically in this area?

Not me. I've never taken any exogenous T.

 

[Matt Muscle]

Thanks David. I will be interested to hear if it continues to help you and any changes you may notice.
cheers.

 

[SWALE]

IMPO, DHT should never be used as sole TRT.

It induces deposition of intra-abdominal fat, which predisposes one to cardiovascular disease.

DHT cream INDUCES hypogonadism ("low testosterone") because it powerfully inhibits the HPTA. Lowering testosterone is the wrong direction.

There are some particular uses for DHT cream in this medicine, but not in the way you are using it. It just makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[DavidZ]

IMPO, DHT should never be used as sole TRT.

I'm not using DHT as sole TRT.

I'm using it in addition to HCG. HCG alone puts my T in the upper normal range.

DHT cream INDUCES hypogonadism ("low testosterone") because it powerfully inhibits the HPTA. Lowering testosterone is the wrong direction.

My HPTA is already shut down by HCG. Therefore, the addition of DHT is not reducing T.

There are some particular uses for DHT cream in this medicine, but not in the way you are using it. It just makes no sense whatsoever.

Such as...?

 

[SWALE]

Oh, okay, That's different.

I think possibly HCG and DHT could be an alright TRT regimen. I wouldn't mess around with it, but it has possibilities.

I don't think DHT transdermal is approved in the US, is it?

 

[DavidZ]

Oh, okay, That's different.

I think possibly HCG and DHT could be an alright TRT regimen. I wouldn't mess around with it, but it has possibilities.

Why not? You said that DHT has a place in HRT. What do you see as the proper role for DHT in HRT?

My DHT runs low-normal, so I'm just trying to get it into mid-range or upper half of the range.

I don't think DHT transdermal is approved in the US, is it?

I dunno. I understand it's widely used in Europe.

I'm using compounded DHT 1% cream. My current daily dose is very small (0.2 ml which is 1.6 mg of DHT).

 

[zaarel2]

IMPO, DHT should never be used as sole TRT.

It induces deposition of intra-abdominal fat, which predisposes one to cardiovascular disease.

DHT cream INDUCES hypogonadism ("low testosterone") because it powerfully inhibits the HPTA. Lowering testosterone is the wrong direction.

There are some particular uses for DHT cream in this medicine, but not in the way you are using it. It just makes no sense whatsoever.

Is intra-abdominal fat the fat behind the abdominal muscle wall? If this is increased by DHT cream is it also increased by high levels of DHT?

 

[SWALE]

Intra-abdominal fat is that in and around the organs. It leads to cardiovascular disease.

I just do not see the purpose in DHT in TRT. Simple as that. There are a couple of possible real uses for it, but I do not feel like discussing them at this time.

 

[coz]

Intra-abdominal fat is that in and around the organs. It leads to cardiovascular disease.

I just do not see the purpose in DHT in TRT. Simple as that. There are a couple of possible real uses for it, but I do not feel like discussing them at this time.

My latest blood test show quite a low DHT level compared to total/bio-avail T ;

Total Test - 23.9 (11.1 - 32.9)nmol/L
Bio-Avail Test - 478 (150 - 753)ng/dL
SHBG - 17.8 (11 - 71) nmol/L
DHT - 449 (444 - 1727)pg/ml

Libido and erections are very low .... would this be a situation where DHT cream could help/be used ?

 

[SWALE]

Possibly. But use of a transdermal testosterone would be first choice.

Adding in DHT to a TRT regimen can be tricky.

 

[DavidZ]

My latest blood test show quite a low DHT level compared to total/bio-avail T ;

Total Test - 23.9 (11.1 - 32.9)nmol/L
Bio-Avail Test - 478 (150 - 753)ng/dL
SHBG - 17.8 (11 - 71) nmol/L
DHT - 449 (444 - 1727)pg/ml

Your results are simliar to mine. Is this one test or does it represent a pattern of many tests?

What is your protocol (i.e., what hormones, drugs, supplements are you taking in what dosages, timing, etc.)?

Libido and erections are very low .... would this be a situation where DHT cream could help/be used ?

My libido was high, but my erections were not as strong as they have been in the past. I have seen some improvement since starting DHT 10 days ago, but not a huge improvement (pardon the pun ).

You could probably raise your T a bit more before considering DHT. What's your E2 level?

 

[DavidZ]

...transdermal testosterone would be first choice.

I agree. But what if T is upper normal and DHT is bottom of the range. Isn't the basis of HRT to restore hormones to normal levels?

Raising T will push T (and E2) to supraphysiologic levels while DHT will go midrange at best.

Adding in DHT to a TRT regimen can be tricky.

How so?

 

[SWALE]

Please forgive me, but I just do not feel like promoting the use of DHT as, or in, TRT.

 

[Matt Muscle]

I agree. But what if T is upper normal and DHT is bottom of the range. Isn't the basis of HRT to restore hormones to normal levels?

Raising T will push T (and E2) to supraphysiologic levels while DHT will go midrange at best.

How so?

I think what Swale means is that changing the method of administering the T say from Intra M to transdermal... you can still keep the T at the upper level... but the transdermal will increase DHT.

 

[coz]

Your results are simliar to mine. Is this one test or does it represent a pattern of many tests?

What is your protocol (i.e., what hormones, drugs, supplements are you taking in what dosages, timing, etc.)?

My libido was high, but my erections were not as strong as they have been in the past. I have seen some improvement since starting DHT 10 days ago, but not a huge improvement (pardon the pun ).

You could probably raise your T a bit more before considering DHT. What's your E2 level?

These tests were done the day of the injection, following the first week of adding HCG to my routine. I have all the blood results from earlier, but unfortunately DHT was not tested each time. Only have one other result from before starting TRT.

I'm currently taking;
- 75mg test (just increased dosage to 85mg last shot)
- HCG 250iu day 5& 6 (temp stopped this as symptoms seemed to come on after I first started HCG)
- clomid 50mg/day.
- evista (raloxifine) 60mg/day during the above results - now stopped.

Yes - I thought of raising my T levels to see if more would convert to DHT & so got my doc to increase my dosage as above.

Estradiol was 84 (00 - 191) pmol/L

Although this is not using the ultra asensitve assay - as it is not available where I am.

What kind of DHT cream are you using ? Is a prescription required ?

Thanks

 

[SWALE]

You really cannot draw any conclusions from this set of labs because the Clomid and Evista (why are you so taking so much--of each?) alter everything. And you cannot even draw an estrogen assay while on them.

I'm sure there are about a dozen guys here who would have told you the same thing; I just got to it first.

 

[coz]

You really cannot draw any conclusions from this set of labs because the Clomid and Evista (why are you so taking so much--of each?) alter everything. And you cannot even draw an estrogen assay while on them.

I'm sure there are about a dozen guys here who would have told you the same thing; I just got to it first.

I was taking that amount as I was getting some gyno when I started HRT. I found that the clomid works the best to fix that for me.

I have tappered off the evista now & plan to try cutting the clomid down to 25 in the next few weeks

In regards to E2 blood work - how does taking clomid or evista change the results ? Do the show higher than the actual E2 level ?

How long would I need to stop all SERMs for to get an accurate E2 test ?

 

[SWALE]

Good questions.

Yes, 25mg of Clomid is a very efective dose.

I recommend at least 21 days off from a SERM drug before testing.

A SERM may elevate, or decrease, the results for estrogen assays.

 

[coz]

Hi David,

Wondering if you could tell me how the DHT cream is going ? Are you still using it ?

What is the brand of cream - or is it compound pharmacy ? What is the % ?

How/where do you apply it ?

Thanks

 

[DavidZ]

Hi David, Wondering if you could tell me how the DHT cream is going ? Are you still using it ?

Good and yes. Been applying it for a month and just had my blood drawn yesterday.

What is the brand of cream - or is it compound pharmacy ? What is the % ?

Compounded 1%.

How/where do you apply it ?

At the base of the penis, underneath/behind the scrotum, and on the inner thighs.