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pmgamer18 said:
pm according to sunkist everything's with the ratio, everything boils down to that ratio....
so you are feeling better with less hcg.....david feels better with less hcg....you still control e with arimidex ( am i correct ) and david with dim but still with less hcg everytime......
Exactly!1cc said:
The body is an incredibly complex organism. We are just skimming the surface of knowledge here.
I am continually amazed at how minute adjustments to my HCG, DHT and/or Indolplex (and even my zinc) dosages affect my target clinical response signals.
From years of following Interent discussions of TRT protocol, I am convinced that the either (a) the vast majority of people don't appreciate how large the impact of small dosage changes can be, (b) I'm just ulta-sensitive compared to the rest of the population, or (c) a combination of both.
My Total and Free T levels came down Total is now 899 and free is 22 we did not test E2 we did 4-OHE and that test was sent out to a different lab and not back yet. My Dr. has me on 500 IU'd a week doing 100 IU's each day starting the 2nd day after my shot of T. So I went from 500 IU's 3 times a week to the above. My E2 has settled down but Dr. wants me to take a .5 mg of Arimidex each day I do the HCG shot along with one table of Indolplex/DIM.ciobl said:
Next week I am getting an MRI to see if I have a problem with my Pituitary. I am making a lot of T with a little HCG. Just doing my shot my levels were 600 with 500 IU's of HCG a week I am up at 899 so my Testis are making 300 on the test.
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pmgamer18 said:
pm didn't they diagnosed you as primary ?
you always had problems with e right ? so who told you to take all that hcg ? and if your lh and fsh was elevated what were they trying to restart ?
you're still under exogns t...
Yes 21 yrs. ago I was diagnosed as Primary. I did not know about high E2 in men until 3 yrs. ago. Adding HCG to my shots has me feeling the best I every felt in 21 yrs. I feel my Dr. had me on to much of the HCG but was not going to fight with him over it it took me to long to get him to try it. My Dr. is doing the MRI because my T levels went up so high adding HCG. Ether my Testis got better in the last 21 yrs. or I was not primary in the first place.ciobl said:pm didn't they diagnosed you as primary ?
you always had problems with e right ? so who told you to take all that hcg ? and if your lh and fsh was elevated what were they trying to restart ?
you're still under exogns t...
DavidZ--You might really be on to something here.
As I have written many times, HCG as sole TRT just does not produce the subjective benefits a pure testosterone delivery system does. However, adding in some DHT cream might make it VERY effective. By your report, it is for you.
I have seen a couple of clinical cases where I would have liked to supplement DHT (5-AR deficiency). Unfortunately, it is not FDA-approved, so I cannot get it.
As I have written many times, HCG as sole TRT just does not produce the subjective benefits a pure testosterone delivery system does. However, adding in some DHT cream might make it VERY effective. By your report, it is for you.
I have seen a couple of clinical cases where I would have liked to supplement DHT (5-AR deficiency). Unfortunately, it is not FDA-approved, so I cannot get it.
SWALE said:
Just add some low dose 2.5mg-5mg T cream to the scrotum and voila, you have instant DHT.
Oops!! Just realised that it being a 5-AR deficiency wouldn't be helped much by adding T to the scrotum......or maybe it would, to a lesser degree. Can only try and see how much 5-AR is down there.
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I honestly did not know it was available here.
It's very rare for me to use just HCG as treatment, as you know. And I would never use DHT as sole TRT because, well, it isn't "TRT". DHT supplementation further disrupts the HPTA and increases intra-abdominal fat deposition (dangerous with respect to cardiovascular disease risk). However, there have been just a few circumstances with patients where I wish I could have elevated DHT levels more.
So, two therapies I basically don't use may come together to be quite useful. THIS is very interesting to me.
It's very rare for me to use just HCG as treatment, as you know. And I would never use DHT as sole TRT because, well, it isn't "TRT". DHT supplementation further disrupts the HPTA and increases intra-abdominal fat deposition (dangerous with respect to cardiovascular disease risk). However, there have been just a few circumstances with patients where I wish I could have elevated DHT levels more.
So, two therapies I basically don't use may come together to be quite useful. THIS is very interesting to me.
No my Dr. has me doing both Indolplex/DIM and wants me now to take a .5 Arimidex with each shot of 100 IU's of HCG now doing 5 hcg shots a week. I started on this last Thursday and this morning I did the HCG shot but did not take the Arimidex I feel on the low side for my E2. My 4-OHE test is not back yet so I have no Idea what that is. Yet I still feel dam good.ciobl said:
I can't put it into words but will try. I keep a plainer and write in it how I feel. If my E2 is going down I lose morning wood. If I keep taking the DIM or Arimidex I will in days not be able to get it up taking a pill. And when this first happened my tests showed me dam low on E2.
Now the easy part is going to high first I starte to itch on the same spots. Then I feel hot and my face gets red. If I let this go my itch turns into a bad rash that looks and feels like raw meat. I dare not scartch it it gose from an itch to burning. I start to feel agitated and everything bothers me. If I let this go and don't take Arimidex I will have an panic attack in the middle of the night. These attacks will carry over into the next day and I will have them off and on anytime of the day. Also the ED, and morning wood with loss of libido kick in.
Now the easy part is going to high first I starte to itch on the same spots. Then I feel hot and my face gets red. If I let this go my itch turns into a bad rash that looks and feels like raw meat. I dare not scartch it it gose from an itch to burning. I start to feel agitated and everything bothers me. If I let this go and don't take Arimidex I will have an panic attack in the middle of the night. These attacks will carry over into the next day and I will have them off and on anytime of the day. Also the ED, and morning wood with loss of libido kick in.
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