My visit with Dr Overbeck

[RestoreMe]

So I made the pilgrimage to see Dr. Overbeck and HAN yesteday. I am having some thyroid, adrenal and testosterone issues. I met with HAN first. He has some unique experience in testing endocrine function via muscle testing. Based on my experience most of his tests seemed to jive with the issues I was having. It will be interesting to match up his results form the blood tests that they do.

After chatting with HAN for a while they brought me back to a room and Dr O's wife came in to speak to me. It was purely social and she was a nice lady. The staff there was really pleasant which I can't say for all Dr's offices I've been to. Shortly thereafter, I went in to see Dr. O. He is a really laid back, receptive guy. He asked questions and listened to me for about an hour. HAN was with me in the room. It is clear that Dr O respects HAN and his knowledge when he interjected in the meeting.

I left there with a bunch of tests that were relevant to my conditions. It is nice to have a set of comprehensive tests that are relevant. Before going to Dr O I have always had to fight tooth and nail for the docs to Rx bloodwork. Obviously, Dr is in touch with symptoms and is smart enough to run the right tests to uncover any problems. There were some tests that I requested that he could not run namingly an ATCH stimulation test. I told him that my endo would not run that test for me. Dr O told me that he would have no problem writing a letter and speaking to my endo to personally request those tests were run. I thought that was cool. There were some other tests I requested that they don't typically run in their initial round of tests but we agreed they were important as well and they said they would include them. I liked that because it shows me they are not a cookie cutter shop and they have some flexibility in their approach. I think in order for me to have a successful outcome getting all of the proper tests is very important.

Obviously, I have have met with them once so I can't draw any conclusions yet but I can say we are moving in the right direction. I am very interested to see the outcome of my testing and where Dr O and HAN steer the treatment. Based on the discussions I had I am feeling optimistic that it is moving in the right direction. I get the sense that my opinion is respected and that it they are working with me as opposed to being 'dictators' like most docs are. After I get my get my test results back I will follow up some more.

 

[wildfox]

Hi there,

I'm thinking about making arrangements to see them.

Would you mind giving an update since your last post about how things are going?

Thanks!

WF

 

[engival]

I just saw them on friday and the new protocol im on gave me back my morning wood.

 

[wildfox]

I just saw them on friday and the new protocol im on gave me back my morning wood.

That's great!

I've begun the conversation with them, and am hoping to see them around the end of April.

 

[hardasnails1973]

Looking forward to assiting you in getting back to over all wellness once again or better off shed some more light on what may be a root cause of your issues.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

So I made the pilgrimage to see Dr. Overbeck and HAN yesteday. I am having some thyroid, adrenal and testosterone issues. I met with HAN first. He has some unique experience in testing endocrine function via muscle testing. Based on my experience most of his tests seemed to jive with the issues I was having. It will be interesting to match up his results form the blood tests that they do.

After chatting with HAN for a while they brought me back to a room and Dr O's wife came in to speak to me. It was purely social and she was a nice lady. The staff there was really pleasant which I can't say for all Dr's offices I've been to. Shortly thereafter, I went in to see Dr. O. He is a really laid back, receptive guy. He asked questions and listened to me for about an hour. HAN was with me in the room. It is clear that Dr O respects HAN and his knowledge when he interjected in the meeting.

I left there with a bunch of tests that were relevant to my conditions. It is nice to have a set of comprehensive tests that are relevant. Before going to Dr O I have always had to fight tooth and nail for the docs to Rx bloodwork. Obviously, Dr is in touch with symptoms and is smart enough to run the right tests to uncover any problems. There were some tests that I requested that he could not run namingly an ATCH stimulation test. I told him that my endo would not run that test for me. Dr O told me that he would have no problem writing a letter and speaking to my endo to personally request those tests were run. I thought that was cool. There were some other tests I requested that they don't typically run in their initial round of tests but we agreed they were important as well and they said they would include them. I liked that because it shows me they are not a cookie cutter shop and they have some flexibility in their approach. I think in order for me to have a successful outcome getting all of the proper tests is very important.

Obviously, I have have met with them once so I can't draw any conclusions yet but I can say we are moving in the right direction. I am very interested to see the outcome of my testing and where Dr O and HAN steer the treatment. Based on the discussions I had I am feeling optimistic that it is moving in the right direction. I get the sense that my opinion is respected and that it they are working with me as opposed to being 'dictators' like most docs are. After I get my get my test results back I will follow up some more.

Hi there,

I'm thinking about making arrangements to see them.

Would you mind giving an update since your last post about how things are going?

Thanks!

WF

So, any updates?

 

[hardasnails1973]

Correcting vitamin D and thyroid with t-3 only took his testosterone from 200 to over 700's with e2 in optimal range. He rarely post here any more because he is well again and enjoying life.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Correcting vitamin D and thyroid with t-3 only took his testosterone from 200 to over 700's with e2 in optimal range. He rarely post here any more because he is well again and enjoying life.

I do not believe a word you say. For myself, you are full of **it! Vitamin D - ROTFLMFAOPIMP. I find it telling just as with these similar HAN/O stories there is NEVER a real follow up.

 

[poisonesspimp]

I do not believe a word you say. For myself, you are full of **it! Vitamin D - ROTFLMFAOPIMP. I find it telling just as with these similar HAN/O stories there is NEVER a real follow up.

Hold on why were you ever considered a doctor/health professional? That's just ridiculous, please grow up. Now if you don't believe him why don't you ask him a question. Get facts straight before going after any I am getting sick of seeing immature posts like this from you. I also hope you know how many people on earth are vitamin d deficient or insufficient = very many. Actually almost all people are not were they should be at with there vitamin d levels, I also believe that lab ranges for vitamin d also have low standards levels should be much high of 50+ to be sufficient. Preferably higher though.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Hold on why were you ever considered a doctor/health professional? That's just ridiculous, please grow up. Now if you don't believe him why don't you ask him a question. Get facts straight before going after any I am getting sick of seeing immature posts like this from you. I also hope you know how many people on earth are vitamin d deficient or insufficient = very many. Actually almost all people are not were they should be at with there vitamin d levels, I also believe that lab ranges for vitamin d also have low standards levels should be much high of 50+ to be sufficient. Preferably higher though.

I am surprised you are able to type as much as you do. I thought your hands were far too busy elsewhere! And as far as data, HAN presents none, ever. Vitamin D & T. really. What the hell does Vitamin D deficiency in the public have to do with the thread? Where's the data? Again, HAN is FOS. I have asked so many questions of HAN but all go unanswered. HAN is a voodoo doctor. How about you _pimp? Care to tell us how HAN has cured your adolescent fixation and health? LOL


Pimp, you were hell bent on T to probably aid and assist your manual activity. IMO, the only think wrong with you is between your ears. Have you made an appointment with a shrink? I do not want to go any further since you are a kid.

I have been down and out for about a year and a half experiencing this. I used marijuana which seemed to cause this and exessive masturbation for about a year. It has went from so bad that I didn't even want to move, I felt like when I would get up to take a walk or go to school it was complete pain. I become and entirely different person and become very distant from my friends. Life was horrible, I changed my diet around a bit and started to eat alot more and healthier than I was. That helped me out as well as taking vitamins and herbs. Everything seems slightly better now but I still have the same symtoms of no sexual drive, low energy, tiredness, fatiqued and I can't take it. I got my testosterone tested three times. They came up at 253, 466, 404. This is not good but it was not as bad as I feared. My lutinizing hormone-2.6, follicle stimulating hormone-1.9. My thyroid was doing good although I don't remember the numbers. My endocrinologist feels that nothing is wrong. Clearly doctors don't know a whole lot about hypogonadism. Last week I drove up to dr. Eugene R. Shippens office to see if I could get an appointment and briefly talk with them. It's only about 2 and a half hour away from my house. Thats great they said they would help me and I scheduled an appointment for late december. I hate to wait and I just want my life back. Does anyone have any experience with this doctor. Could anyone tell me about treatments and what not.

 

[poisonesspimp]

I am surprised you are able to type as much as you do. I thought your hands were far too busy elsewhere! And as far as data, HAN presents none, ever. Vitamin D & T. really. What the hell does Vitamin D deficiency in the public have to do with the thread? Where's the data? Again, HAN is FOS. How about you _pimp? Care to tell us how HAN has cured your adolescent fixation and health? LOL

I have actually stopped that so my hands are free to type now = ). I am just saying that a lot of the population has a lack of vitamin d and I know it plays in to other factors of health as well, it is highly over looked and many can benefit from it. Okay anyway, firstly HAN has not cured my health yet, we are still doing tests and such trying to rule out as many factors as possible. I can say that by far HANS has been a huge help, many other docs and such would never think about giving the extensive testing that he and dr. o give and allow. There are still many things to rule out but as of now I do not feel bad and do not feel great, I am still getting there. I am now running track in school which is making me feel a lot better. When it all comes down to it though it's your health, your body, and 90% of getting better comes from yourself taking those extra measures and making sure you are good.

It's not about ah my life sucks doctor fix it. That is complete bs because I would not trust my life in the hands of any docs without having proof and a fair amount of knowledge and understanding of what they know. I feel that HANS has already been through all this shit that I am going through and it's really nothing to sweat about. When it comes down to it yes some of us have imbalanced hormones but you gotta stick it out and with yourself, docs, tests, you can get yourself better. I don't ask anyone to cure my health but I expect them to merely help me on the road to getting better because they can only do so much.

Right now I am actually taking vitamin d in larger quantities to get out of being insufficient and I will retest to see if it helped. Anyway the goal is to have vitamin d levels on the upper range not the lower range. I am still waiting on my nutra eval results, which I look forward to also to see toxic metals levels. I am very close to getting better and I believe a few more minor fixes and I will be back to feeling amazing. Fixing things may be easier than you think. I also mentioned that I am now getting a lot more excersize and starting to live in a much healthier way. You would not understand the hurtles I deal with in everyday life so I won't mention those that have helped lead to this health condition. But who cares I am getting better and as every day passes I will closer and close=)

That is what's going on with me right now.

 

[Crazy Crew]

I hope that everyone realizes that the opinions expressed are those of the poster and not the forum. Calling someone out or personally attacking someone will not be tolerated. Bullies are not tolerated. .

This rule seems to be subjective at best.

There are plenty of opinions out there about several so called experts that could be posted; but to what end? These childish, schoolyard, verbal banterings are at the least a distraction and at most cause to look elsewhere to offer or get informed advise.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

This rule seems to be subjective at best.

There are plenty of opinions out there about several so called experts that could be posted; but to what end? These childish, schoolyard, verbal banterings are at the least a distraction and at most cause to look elsewhere to offer or get informed advise.

I agree with the subjective part, why don''t you be more specific? For myself, I am calling out BS. Let me be clear, when I speak about any poster's post(s), I am referring to the content, not the person, particularly HAN.

 

[CubbieBlue]

I feel that HANS has already been through all this shit that I am going through and it's really nothing to sweat about.

Keep in mind, by his own account he is still going through it, and currently supplementing with this:

50 mgs BIW test (reduced from 60 mgs)
250 hcg day before the shot
25 mgs DHEA TD will retest urine in 4 weeks
2.5 grains armour
25 mcgs t-3
100 mcg IPA
Aridex .25 every 3rd day
20 mgs cortef


My supplements (do remember I get 50% since having accounts set up for supplements)

10,000 ius vitamin D
50 mgs zinc
50 mgs manganese
20 liver tabs
100 mgs ubqunol
6-8 pills of 25 mgs P5P - take till i get dream recall adding in zinc
450 mgs panthiene 2 times a day
150 moldenum
200 mcgs chromium
200 mcgs selenium
3 am and 3 pm multivitamin
1000 mgs folonic acid.
250 mgs trans rese life extension 100%
1/2 tsp trace mineral 2 times a day (lithoium is added)
500 mgs niacine before bed time
1000 mgs TMG BID
1/2 tsp seasalts 3 times a day (before training)
5,000 mcgs methly b-12
2000 mcgs hydrocobalmine
1 beta hcl plus with each meal
1 super digestive enzyme each meal
10 mgs biotin
1 mgs melatonin time released before bed
2 scoops green vibrance for veggies and flora
2 TBSP of apple cider
1 TBSP of hemp seed butter
1 TBSP of EVCCO or organic butter.
600 mgs NAC
10 grams glutamine before bed time.
adding in x factor soon and liposomal curcumin for liver protection.
3 squirts of neuroscience sublingual 5 htp
1 TBSP of chia seeds 2 times daily for fiber.

 

[pcgizzmo]

I am surprised you are able to type as much as you do. I thought your hands were far too busy elsewhere! And as far as data, HAN presents none, ever. Vitamin D & T. really. What the hell does Vitamin D deficiency in the public have to do with the thread? Where's the data? .

The data you requested.

Association of vitamin D status with serum androge... [Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 2009] - PubMed result

Male Hormone Levels Linked to Vitamin D : Dr. Soram's Integrative Medicine

 

[poisonesspimp]

Keep in mind, by his own account he is still going through it, and currently supplementing with this:

Yeah I am sure, thanks for filling me in a really didn't know of all the details of what he was on but I suspected by reading a lot of his other work he was still working on it.

I as well am on a bunch of supplements. for example

Vitamin d-2000iu everyday
zinc-50mg everyday
l-tyrosine-500-1000mg 4-5 times a week
ioderol-12.5 once a week
coq10-75mg everyday
calcium-333mg everyday, I have been doubling up the dose on that when I take more vitamin d
magnesium-160mg everyday
vitamin e-400iu everyday
vitamin b6-2mg everyday
vitamin b12-1000mcg everyday
folic acid-800mcg
mucuna pruriens-500mg everyday
acetyl l carnitine-500-1000mg everyday
ashvaganda- 200-500mg everyday
turmeric-1 gram a day
chromium picolinate-200-400mg everyday
selenium-200mg to 300mcg
Vitamin c-300mg
triphila-500mg
biotin-5 mg
vitamin b5-3 grams/thinking of starting to up the dose because of acne

 

[CubbieBlue]

Yeah I am sure, thanks for filling me in a really didn't know of all the details of what he was on but I suspected by reading a lot of his other work he was still working on it.

I as well am on a bunch of supplements. for example

Vitamin d-2000iu everyday
zinc-50mg everyday
l-tyrosine-500-1000mg 4-5 times a week
ioderol-12.5 once a week
coq10-75mg everyday
calcium-333mg everyday, I have been doubling up the dose on that when I take more vitamin d
magnesium-160mg everyday
vitamin e-400iu everyday
vitamin b6-2mg everyday
vitamin b12-1000mcg everyday
folic acid-800mcg
mucuna pruriens-500mg everyday
acetyl l carnitine-500-1000mg everyday
ashvaganda- 200-500mg everyday
turmeric-1 gram a day
chromium picolinate-200-400mg everyday
selenium-200mg to 300mcg
Vitamin c-300mg
triphila-500mg
biotin-5 mg
vitamin b5-3 grams/thinking of starting to up the dose because of acne

How much money does all that shit cost you?

 

[poisonesspimp]

How much money does all that shit cost you?

It doesn't really cost me anything. My father has been a health freak so to say since I was born and I have always had all of this stuff in the house. He knows a lot about nutrition, vitamins, health, digestion, well being and so on. There's a lot much I can't really make a list it would be to long. There are about two hundred of bottles of herbs, vitamins, supplements though bought in bulk. I have added a lot to the list with things I thought I would be able to benefit from after looking at studies, what people have experienced, and so on.

 

[chemman]

Yeah I am sure, thanks for filling me in a really didn't know of all the details of what he was on but I suspected by reading a lot of his other work he was still working on it.

I as well am on a bunch of supplements. for example

Vitamin d-2000iu everyday
zinc-50mg everyday
l-tyrosine-500-1000mg 4-5 times a week
ioderol-12.5 once a week
coq10-75mg everyday
calcium-333mg everyday, I have been doubling up the dose on that when I take more vitamin d
magnesium-160mg everyday
vitamin e-400iu everyday
vitamin b6-2mg everyday
vitamin b12-1000mcg everyday
folic acid-800mcg
mucuna pruriens-500mg everyday
acetyl l carnitine-500-1000mg everyday
ashvaganda- 200-500mg everyday
turmeric-1 gram a day
chromium picolinate-200-400mg everyday
selenium-200mg to 300mcg
Vitamin c-300mg
triphila-500mg
biotin-5 mg
vitamin b5-3 grams/thinking of starting to up the dose because of acne

Are HAN and Dr. Overbeck supporting/prescribing this regimen?

That's a lot of variables my friend!

How do you know what is helping and what is not (or possibly even hurting)?

Did you add in one supplement at a time every few weeks or did you just start shotgunning?

 

[poisonesspimp]

Are HAN and Dr. Overbeck supporting/prescribing this regimen?

That's a lot of variables my friend!

How do you know what is helping and what is not (or possibly even hurting)?

Did you add in one supplement at a time every few weeks or did you just start shotgunning?

Actually I started things really slowly and monitored the effects. I those are a list of ones I currently take during the week at my fathers house since my parents are divorced. I have found that a lot of herbs and such I have taken in the past have completly shitted on me lol so I have stayed away from those and stick with what makes me feel good as well as what I have researched. I have done a lot of experimenting and shit so I have some idea.[)]