DNP or not DNP?

[LanunFX]

Hi guys,

Quick question here, what is the different between "2,4 Dinitrophenol (C6H4N2O5)" with "2,4 Dinitrophenol Sodium Salt (C6H3N2O5Na)"?

Does the sodium salt type is the one we usually called as crystal DNP or just a totally different chemicals?

Hopefully someone with competent chemical knowledge can clarify this

 

[mtyson]

DNP is great for pure fats lost! i love it

 

[Reinheart]

DNP is great for pure fats lost! i love it

The only great thing i can see is you getting banned.

 

[dfein]

What is his goal in posting things like that.

 

[Conciliator]

You're correct. The sodium salt of DNP is what bodybuilders refer to as "crystal DNP." Pure DNP, or the DNP base, is commonly referred to as "DNP powder."

There are a lot of myths about how the two forms differ, similar to the myths bodybuilders have about how testosterone enanthate and testosterone cypionate differ from each other. In reality, they are going to act very much the same. The primary difference is that crystal DNP is slightly weaker than powder DNP, since it is not pure DNP, but contains a sodium molecule. When the sodium is cleaved, you're left with the same DNP base that you get when you take DNP powder. Both forms are highly bioavailable, which is not surprising considering DNP is a small molecule that can even permeate skin. It's often been said that crystal DNP is 75% as strong as powder DNP, but based on the chemical structures and molar masses, it looks like crystal DNP is about 89% as strong as powder DNP (molar mass of 184.106 for powder vs 206.088 for crystal).

Hope that helps,
Conciliator

 

[mr.nitro]

ive used dnp (dnitro and genx brands) and they seemed simular in results. they work, but the side effects are diffacult to deal with. least for me.

 

[LanunFX]

You're correct. The sodium salt of DNP is what bodybuilders refer to as "crystal DNP." Pure DNP, or the DNP base, is commonly referred to as "DNP powder."

There are a lot of myths about how the two forms differ, similar to the myths bodybuilders have about how testosterone enanthate and testosterone cypionate differ from each other. In reality, they are going to act very much the same. The primary difference is that crystal DNP is slightly weaker than powder DNP, since it is not pure DNP, but contains a sodium molecule. When the sodium is cleaved, you're left with the same DNP base that you get when you take DNP powder. Both forms are highly bioavailable, which is not surprising considering DNP is a small molecule that can even permeate skin. It's often been said that crystal DNP is 75% as strong as powder DNP, but based on the chemical structures and molar masses, it looks like crystal DNP is about 89% as strong as powder DNP (molar mass of 184.106 for powder vs 206.088 for crystal).

Hope that helps,
Conciliator

Thanks bro Conciliator,

There's limited information about this sodium salt DNP on the net but I believe it's risks and effects are similar to powder DNP. Some china websites only stated this substance as a fertilizer and plant growth regulator which totally different purpose with powder DNP.

Makes me wondering, why when I google 'DNP', lots of warning, hazard, FDA, researches, annoying advices, horror stories, scammer websites and etc. popping up but when it comes to 'DNP sodium salt' or '2,4 Dinitrophenolate', nothing above shown, only some chemical database, manufacturers and fertilizer suppliers offering their product, no risk warning, no fat loss benefit, nothing.

Maybe I'm the one who not digging deeper or something missing here...what do you think bro?

 

[Conciliator]

There's limited information about this sodium salt DNP on the net but I believe it's risks and effects are similar to powder DNP. Some china websites only stated this substance as a fertilizer and plant growth regulator which totally different purpose with powder DNP.

DNP is no fertilizer. It's considered a serious environmental contaminant and is an herbicide that's toxic to vegetation.

Makes me wondering, why when I google 'DNP', lots of warning, hazard, FDA, researches, annoying advices, horror stories, scammer websites and etc. popping up but when it comes to 'DNP sodium salt' or '2,4 Dinitrophenolate', nothing above shown, only some chemical database, manufacturers and fertilizer suppliers offering their product, no risk warning, no fat loss benefit, nothing.

It's because the latter phrases are technical and rarely (if at all) used by people discussing DNP as a fat burner. It's kind of like searching for "17beta-hydroxy-androst-4-en-3-one" and wondering why you're not finding pages on the use and abuse of testosterone (that's one of the chemical names for it). If you do a search for "crystal DNP" you'll find all kinds of talk by lay people about the sodium salt of DNP.

Also, no need to call me bro. It's chiefly a term of endearment, but also has connotations of dogmatism, cognitive bias, and general ignorance

 

[dfein]

Question, why don't they use it in cattle/animals? I assume it's fully eliminated from the body?

 

[LanunFX]

Also, no need to call me bro. It's chiefly a term of endearment, but also has connotations of dogmatism, cognitive bias, and general ignorance

opss...sorry for my ignorance

Question, why don't they use it in cattle/animals? I assume it's fully eliminated from the body?

for what purpose, reduce body fat? I think livestock was sold by weight, reduce fat weight definitely will reduce the price...not good for business

 

[PECS]

for what purpose, reduce body fat? I think livestock was sold by weight, reduce fat weight definitely will reduce the price...not good for business

It's listed as toxic, use of DNP by the uneducated can kill you. It is not and will never be given to livestock or any slaughter animal in which humans will be consuming it's flesh... for that purpose they use Finaplex H pellets (Tren) to help thicken the animals muscle mass yet still drop more body fat content. Nice try though bro.

 

[Lizard King]

Conciliator bro man sir, lol
Can you explain the difference in the heat reaction to the Crystal vs Powder? I see some people who log when they are taking crystal have different effects then when taking the powder, sort of saying the heat they get is quicker and over faster as those who have taken the powder. I have never taken the crystal and just trying to read some of the differences in case I want to try a product from someone else.
Thanks

 

[PECS]

Conciliator bro man sir, lol
Can you explain the difference in the heat reaction to the Crystal vs Powder? I see some people who log when they are taking crystal have different effects then when taking the powder, sort of saying the heat they get is quicker and over faster as those who have taken the powder. I have never taken the crystal and just trying to read some of the differences in case I want to try a product from someone else.
Thanks

I've used both with great success in the past. The heat is relative to your diet... the more carbs you intake the "hotter" you feel. Although to be honest in terms of quality or potency, I didn't notice much a big difference between the two other than price per capsule. But your total success will be based on your preparation before and your diet and water intake while on. Be sure to read the sticky in this forum on "How to not fuck up DNP"... it could save your life. To be honest if you can't stick to clean eating and exercise to lose the majority of the fat you want to lose, then DNP isn't for you... imo there's more productive things to use for fat loss without the serious risks.

 

[Conciliator]

Question, why don't they use it in cattle/animals? I assume it's fully eliminated from the body?

DNP is lipophilic, so it can probably accumulate in body fat, similar to fat soluble drugs and vitamins (like A, D, E, and K).

 

[Conciliator]

for that purpose they use Finaplex H pellets (Tren) to help thicken the animals muscle mass yet still drop more body fat content. Nice try though bro.

And even then, there's controversy, as trenbolone acetate is metabolized and the trenbolone base molecule (17b-trenbolone) is directly excreted in urine. Tren is apparently stable in both animal waste and the environment [reference].

 

[Conciliator]

Conciliator bro man sir, lol
Can you explain the difference in the heat reaction to the Crystal vs Powder? I see some people who log when they are taking crystal have different effects then when taking the powder, sort of saying the heat they get is quicker and over faster as those who have taken the powder. I have never taken the crystal and just trying to read some of the differences in case I want to try a product from someone else.
Thanks

Crystal DNP contains less actual DNP than powder DNP for a given dose. When you take crystal DNP, peak levels will be lower (though they may be high enough to produce a strong sense of heat and sweating). More importantly, levels drop as the drug is metabolized. Since crystal DNP produces a lower peak, at any given time point thereafter, there would also be lower levels in the body (assuming the two have the same pharmacokinetics). This means that a given dose of crystal DNP will more quickly be reduced to a level low enough that the heat seems to have subsided. You might compare it to taking 500mg of powder DNP versus 400mg of powder DNP. Both produce moderate-high blood levels that make you hot and sweaty, with the 500mg dose producing even a greater effect, though you might not be able to tell the difference too well. However, at the lower dose, you'll reach a point where you feel cool more quickly. IMO, the faster effect of crystal DNP is merely a matter of ingesting less DNP. I think the notion that crystal DNP comes on faster, with a higher peak level, is in people's heads (put there by one of the bro guides on DNP). However, I think the notion that the side effects subside more quickly is correct, owing to fact that less DNP is being ingested. As far as I know, the pharmacokinetics (i.e. absorption, distribution, and metabolism) of the two forms has never been tested or compared, so take my hypothesis for what it's worth. I could very well be wrong.

 

[LanunFX]

DNP is lipophilic, so it can probably accumulate in body fat, similar to fat soluble drugs and vitamins (like A, D, E, and K).

If DNP accumulate in body fat, what will happen next, does it stay there forever? can it turns toxic in long term?

 

[Lizard King]

Crystal DNP contains less actual DNP than powder DNP for a given dose. When you take crystal DNP, peak levels will be lower (though they may be high enough to produce a strong sense of heat and sweating). More importantly, levels drop as the drug is metabolized. Since crystal DNP produces a lower peak, at any given time point thereafter, there would also be lower levels in the body (assuming the two have the same pharmacokinetics). This means that a given dose of crystal DNP will more quickly be reduced to a level low enough that the heat seems to have subsided. You might compare it to taking 500mg of powder DNP versus 400mg of powder DNP. Both produce moderate-high blood levels that make you hot and sweaty, with the 500mg dose producing even a greater effect, though you might not be able to tell the difference too well. However, at the lower dose, you'll reach a point where you feel cool more quickly. IMO, the faster effect of crystal DNP is merely a matter of ingesting less DNP. I think the notion that crystal DNP comes on faster, with a higher peak level, is in people's heads (put there by one of the bro guides on DNP). However, I think the notion that the side effects subside more quickly is correct, owing to fact that less DNP is being ingested. As far as I know, the pharmacokinetics (i.e. absorption, distribution, and metabolism) of the two forms has never been tested or compared, so take my hypothesis for what it's worth. I could very well be wrong.

Thank you. I was speaking in terms of a relative dose of both, lets say 500mg of powder and an equivalent dose of crystal. I have only used P's powder and do not have a problem with it at all I was just wondering if I am missing out on anything not trying the crystal.

 

[LanunFX]

I just received my 1st powdered DNP capsules from 'T', finally after being ripped twice and several weeks trying to hunt 'D' & 'P' with no success. Not much, just 50 caps @ 100mg/cap to begin with...hopefully will start my 1st cycle next week as my new year resolution since my country here always very hot & humid all year around, I planed to start low at 100mg ED to test my tolerance and allergies, may stick at 200mg ED until end of the cycle...what do you think guys? should i start a log?

 

[xxjaredxx]

Good Luck.