18 Central Florida men charged in international steroid trafficking ring

The bottom line is this and always has been. Our government will not allow people to make money hand over fist without giving uncle Sam his cut. They care nothing for the public, only their cut of the profits. If people are spending millions on black market gear, drugs, weed that's less money going into an economy on the verge of collapse.
If that were the case, they would legalize, tax and regulate. Ending the war on drugs would be the obvious fiscal choice.
 
Steroids have influenced me to live a clean, responsible, productive lifestyle
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Worthy of note, the thread is about some people going to jail because of steroids.
 
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Coming from an alcoholic/addict like myself, there's no doubt in my mind alcohol is the worst drug & it is legal.
Kills, destroys families etc.....
Alcohol doesn't kill and destroy families.

I have a bottle in my freezer and it hasn't killed anybody. It's an inanimate object, the bottle cannot leap up and hit somebody in the head. It cannot push somebody down the stairs. It's a drug, it's a liquid that you can choose to drink. If you choose to drink it and act like a moron. It's not the alcohol in the bottle that did something, it is you. This applies to all drugs and inanimate objects.

And, even IF the bottle could kill somebody on its own. It's still your fault. You knew the dangers of the alcohol and that the bottle could get possessed and kill random people but YOU chose to buy that bottle at the store and bring it to your house. It's your choice to surround yourself with dangerous objects or drugs that can be possessed and kill people.

And it could very well be true the the bottle can kill people on its own. I was going to say that there is a 21 age limit on purchasing alcohol bottles and maybe that is the reason why? Because adults should make sensible choices on what kind of things they bring to their home. I would argue that it isn't a minors fault if the father bought a bottle and the bottle pushed the minor down the stairs... IDK you may be on to something about the bottle killing people.

There is a movie about this possessed tire called Rubber. It's a good watch.
 
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On another note since we're now talking about the legality of alcohol, it's the only drug that negatively affects EVERY major organ in the body. Sworder-guns don't kill people either but that doesn't mean they aren't dangerous.
Meth is great for every major organ in the body. :D

Yes, a gun cannot kill people on its own either.
Does the gun make it easier to kill somebody? Yes.
If I believe guns and knives are dangerous should I have my house riddled with shottys and machetes so they can be misused or get in the wrong hands? No.
There are mental health and background checks you have to do to acquire a firearm legally. The reason for that is because some people are not fit to own a gun.
In court, the guns used in a crime and put on the stand. Why is that? Because it is an item. Now you can blame the gun as much as you want but all you are doing is pushing blame around to objects. It's the fear of having to assume responsibility for what you do that makes people blame things on others, or on objects.

On a similar note, on an alcohol bottle there is the fine print "Drink responsibly" now that may seem like a generic sentence to put; but as with firearms, there are people whom are not fit to drink alcohol. If an insane person acquires a gun or an irresponsible drinker picks up a bottle. That is a conscious act of doing something they know or have an idea that it can cause problems. So who to blame again? The gun? The alcohol? Or the living person with an brain that is making decisions and choosing to pick up these "dangerous" objects?

It's pretty funny if you think about it. We humans engineered these guns and drugs with pretty sophisticated methods. After we created these objects or drugs, we perform actions and blame something of our own creation. Hell it seems like it would make more logical sense to some people to blame an object rather than somebody with a thinking brain.

This debate can cross over to "roid rage" as well, do steroids increase aggression? I definitely believe so even though it cannot be empirically measured. However, the person choosing to inject steroids is the one to blame for his actions.

Look at a vial, gun or a bottle of alcohol for a minute. They don't have psychokinetic powers like Robert the tire in Rubber. They cannot do anything on their own. Once we put vials, guns or alcohol bottles on the witness stand or take them in for questioning, only then will I start believing these objects can do something.

Everybody makes mistakes, own up and stop crying, bitching, moaning and blaming things on everything besides you! <- DedLift this is not directed towards you, just a general statement.
 
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It's cool. Lots of good input here. It's actually nice to be able to carry on an intelligent conversation with everyone. Once again, I'm impressed with the depth of knowledge here at MESO! Glad to be a part it honestly. Without members playing devils advocate (badass movie) this forum would be no different than Evo or any other one sided scammer paradise. Anyway, we've gone a bit off topic I'd say.
 
"One of the significant by products of steroids is 'roid rage.' We know it affects personality and these people are using steroids, and they're driving cars and going to work under that influence so it becomes a safety issue," said Walsh.

Unbelievable had to make sure to make this statement and made sure it found its way into the article.
lol, I live in central fl,roid rage on the road? if you have ever driven down I-4 in Orlando, im sure you have experienced "road Rage" worst f-ing drivers in the world., throw in a bunch of tourists, newly licensed teens living out "the Fast and Furious" semis, construction, speed traps, highway shootings, it is a sure way to drive youself insane, and end up on anxiety meds. ROID RAGE? what a joke. If uncle Sam doesn't get his cut, he will put your ass in jail. it doesn't matter if your selling orange juice, or cocaine. But the door to door sale of stale Girl Scout cookies seems to remain beyond reproach
 
I know there is a penalty on possessing aas, but is there a penalty in pct products clomid nolvadex etc??
 
I know there is a penalty on possessing aas, but is there a penalty in pct products clomid nolvadex etc??
It's a crime to possess any prescription drug without a prescription. Aas is a third degree felony, not sure about pct.
 
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