1g Deca Only Experiment

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GH is so important I simply don't believe it can be overstated...and I am not a competitor. ESPECIALLY as we age and continue training. The improved skin effects, recovery, size, fat loss and 3d effect is second to none on Pharm GH in my experience. I have run high dose Deca without test in the past with great results..but never without GH. The fat burning effect alone makes it worth it and a must IMO if ur trying to gain mass? Not sure what ur end goal is but I will watch...good luck.
My goal is to gain a bit of size and to see what Deca can do on its own. I've increased my calories and have been eating left overs all week; I have another family Bday part tomorrow, which will also result in more homemade Italian left overs lol.

t3 is keeping fat off and is way cheaper than GH for that purpose. How much pharm GH were you running, IU wise again? If I wanted to run 10is ED of Generic, it would cost about 330 a month.
 
50mcg t3 are way too much, i catabolize just reading this. The best cycle ive ever run and the better physique iv ever had was with 6-7.2iu pharmaceutical GH (saizen) and 60-80mcg Clen with NO THYROID MEDS, They fucked me up every time i used them. Minimal dose could be beneficial but ima talking about 12.5mcg t3 + 50mcg t4. Look for a TSH of 0.5-1, FT3 in the high range (4pg/ml) and FT4 just in the lower or mid range, minimizing its conversion to RT3 (0.8-1.3ng/dl)
 
I took bloods using 12.5mcg t3 plus 75mcg t4 and i was having high FT3 (3.9pg), low to mid FT4 (1ng) and supressed TSH (0.4).

This was 24h post t3 dosage, so i was having a little bit of hiperthyroidism, this is not good, worse insulin sensitivity, more muscle catabolism and some sides like palpitations, high body temperature, stregh was low and fatigue high.

Just take you test, your nandrolone, your pharma GH and have a diet
 
50mcg t3 are way too much, i catabolize just reading this. The best cycle ive ever run and the better physique iv ever had was with 6-7.2iu pharmaceutical GH (saizen) and 60-80mcg Clen with NO THYROID MEDS, They fucked me up every time i used them. Minimal dose could be beneficial but ima talking about 12.5mcg t3 + 50mcg t4. Look for a TSH of 0.5-1, FT3 in the high range (4pg/ml) and FT4 just in the lower or mid range, minimizing its conversion to RT3 (0.8-1.3ng/dl)
My god that must have been expensive for that much GH.

I feel great on 50mcg andI have none of the sides you've mentioned. Also, my digestion is amazing; I've always had problems with it but not anymore.
 
My god that must have been expensive for that much GH.

I feel great on 50mcg andI have none of the sides you've mentioned. Also, my digestion is amazing; I've always had problems with it but not anymore.
Dont suppose things, take bloods and see whats happening inside you.

you can feel great and be catabolic as fuck. 50mcg is too much and you dont even know it
 
Dont suppose things, take bloods and see whats happening inside you.

you can feel great and be catabolic as fuck. 50mcg is too much and you dont even know it
I always read we produce 25mcg, so taking 50mcg is the min dose for fat burning?
 
My goal is to gain a bit of size and to see what Deca can do on its own. I've increased my calories and have been eating left overs all week; I have another family Bday part tomorrow, which will also result in more homemade Italian left overs lol.

t3 is keeping fat off and is way cheaper than GH for that purpose. How much pharm GH were you running, IU wise again? If I wanted to run 10is ED of Generic, it would cost about 330 a month.
I don't think u need that much for the effects I mentioned..especially with consistent use. But for a good quality generic..which I would prefer not to use but I understand cost can be problematic....4 or 5 IU a day max 5 days a week first thing in AM. I didn't notice any major water or fat gain from the Deca doing this. I never used thyroid drugs too much as I am naturally pretty lean . You may be different of course. I really feel after this many years GH is invaluable. Although, it could be I'm just old and biased and I need it lol.
 
Your a little bit newbie if you get that conclusion, i would read alittle more before starting any cycle. Please dont do stupid things, you wont improve
Everything I've ever read said to start with 50mcg, that one can produce anywhere from 10-22mcg a day naturally. But I like what it is doing with my digestion; that alone is worth taking it. Maybe if I drop it to 25mcg? I'm also eating a lot and I'm on a gram of Deca, so I'm definitely not in a catabolic state; I'd understand if I were in a calorie deficit, but I'm not.
 
I don't think u need that much for the effects I mentioned..especially with consistent use. But for a good quality generic..which I would prefer not to use but I understand cost can be problematic....4 or 5 IU a day max 5 days a week first thing in AM. I didn't notice any major water or fat gain from the Deca doing this. I never used thyroid drugs too much as I am naturally pretty lean . You may be different of course. I really feel after this many years GH is invaluable. Although, it could be I'm just old and biased and I need it lol.
10iu ED would be for muscle growth. I ran 5iu ED for 7 months already.
 
Man, the negativity in this log lol. Just do you man.

50mcg of T3 might be too much for some while not enough for others. 1g of deca might have some streaming milk across the the room every time they sneeze and it might not.

I do think you will end up adding a low dose of test in there at some point but that is just my opinion.

You wont know how it effects you until you try (although educated guesses don't hurt with all the data out there from others fucking around).

I will agree you should get your thyroid checked while on the 50mcg if you intend to stay on long term to see where you are sitting.

As for the cheating wife comment someone threw up, GTFOH with that shit.
 
Will be starting week three today.

As mentioned, I've been eating however I wish, and I'm talking dirty bulk levels, and I have to say, my weight has not moved, weighing 230 this am. I am assuming the t3 at 50mcg is preventing me from gaining weight; however, my strength has increased a bit, and my pumps have improved, probably due to eating much more of what I want, most of it an increase in carbs.

Now if I want to "gain weight," I could keep the t3 the same, but change my sessions from 6x a week to 5x, or reduce the t3 to 25mcg a day, but to be honest, I like the fact I can eat a much as I want and not get fat, not get bloated, and I don't think the t3 is going to prevent me from adding muscle tissue. Moreover, I'm not gonna gain 20lbs off this experiment, if anything, I may gain an few pounds of lean tissue, because it seems I'm adding zero water to my body. However, the deca is not in full force yet, so we will see what happens in the next few weeks.

My libido drive is gone, but my dick still works. Meaning, I don't care if I get laid or not, but if I go for it, I can do it, and my orgasms are intense, similar to when I was on primo somehow. I still will look if a hot chick and the gym is squatting in tight yoga pants, but I'm not like, "HOLY SHIT I MUST EAT HER ASS; it's more like, "Hmm. that's nice...anyway, back to my set lol."

I have had no mental sides so far; in fact, I am very cool, calm, and collected, and less irritable, than my normal self. And that's being a Marine war veteran who has PTSD, so this is a bit therapeutic in a sense. This is interesting because as a 19-nor, Deca is like the opposite of Tren when it comes to these sides for me, obviously because Tren is way more androgenic. My training focus has been great so far, and my intensity is on when I want, but off when I rest, compared to feeling wired the whole time.

Also, the first week realized I didn't inject 1gram, more like 800/900.. This was due to the habit of my shooting 2ml each shot per injection from my last cycle (autopilot), when it should be 2.5; I did catch one injection and made it 2.5ml, so 900mg the second week, but obviously too late. I will make sure I do 2.ml from now on. Either way, I doubt this early in the cycle such would make a huge difference.

But ya, so far all the horror stories are not happening as people have repeated constantly.
 
But ya, so far all the horror stories are not happening as people have repeated constantly.
that's good to hear, and I hope you do fine, but don't get complacent yet, 3 weeks in is still VERY early, and that does not do anything to foreshadow any potential long term effects. I would imagine it'll be about week 8-10 before you can make any real judgements on any positives or negatives of the cycle.
 
that's good to hear, and I hope you do fine, but don't get complacent yet, 3 weeks in is still VERY early, and that does not do anything to foreshadow any potential long term effects. I would imagine it'll be about week 8-10 before you can make any real judgements on any positives or negatives of the cycle.
Yes. Thing is, I only have enough Deca to get to week 10. So I could lower to 800mg and stretch to 12, but Deca will be lingering in my body for so long, 10 weeks is enough.
 
Figured I'd post up some photos I just took now. I've been eating leftovers from two different Bday parties, all Italian food, so I should be a bloated whale, but I'm not.
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Everything I've ever read said to start with 50mcg, that one can produce anywhere from 10-22mcg a day naturally. But I like what it is doing with my digestion; that alone is worth taking it. Maybe if I drop it to 25mcg? I'm also eating a lot and I'm on a gram of Deca, so I'm definitely not in a catabolic state; I'd understand if I were in a calorie deficit, but I'm not.
You should start listening to people how know their shit like @daron_e or me. Ive been in this game for like 12 years and im fighting for my pro card. You are way too fat, you dont need 50t3 to mantain this condirtion, you had problems with digstion because your too fat and the more fat you carry the slower the digestion and lower the appetite. Start doing a proper diet and not abusin thyroids because they will fuck up your physique.

You can take my advices ot not but you dont know what you are doing and your abusin drugs for the physique you have. In a future your dosages might be right but for now you are abusing

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You should start listening to people how know their shit like @daron_e or me. Ive been in this game for like 12 years and im fighting for my pro card. You are way too fat, you dont need 50t3 to mantain this condirtion, you had problems with digstion because your too fat and the more fat you carry the slower the digestion and lower the appetite. Start doing a proper diet and not abusin thyroids because they will fuck up your physique.

You can take my advices ot not but you dont know what you are doing and your abusin drugs for the physique you have. In a future your dosages might be right but for now you are abusing

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Idk man, when I started t3 months ago, my digestion improved dramatically. T3 increase your metabolism, which clearly helps you metabolize foods better. Now when I take a shit, it's just one nice log when it hasn't been for YEARS; even when I wasn't fat and in shape years ago.

I intended on taking 50mcg for as long as I needed to get the physique I wanted, and also to see what it would do. Everywhere I've read, people have stated that thyroid medication will not permanently fuck you up; that the thyroid recovers to normal when you get off. Derek MPMD an article on this, stated he took 50mg for a year straight, and again, all I've read is those are myths of permanent thyroid damage. T3 (Cytomel) Overview - What To Expect

And also, if I'm too fat, then I shouldn't be bulking then, right? To which then I would be on T3 anyway to lose fat, which I'm still doing despite my recent increase in calories. So you see the circular issue here?
 
Idk man, when I started t3 months ago, my digestion improved dramatically. T3 increase your metabolism, which clearly helps you metabolize foods better. Now when I take a shit, it's just one nice log when it hasn't been for YEARS; even when I wasn't fat and in shape years ago.

I intended on taking 50mcg for as long as I needed to get the physique I wanted. Everywhere I've read, people have stated that thyroid medication will not permanently fuck you up; that the thyroid recovers to normal when you get off. Derek MPMD has done a video on this, and again, all I've read is those are myths of permanent thyroid damage.

And also, if I'm too fat, then I shouldn't be bulking then, right? To which then I would be on T3 anyway to lose fat, which I'm still doing despite my recent increase in calories. So you see the circular issue here?
I wasnt talking about permanent damage to thyroid, i said about its detrimental effects on your physique. I dont need more than 50-100mcg t4 to get in competition shape and the times i tried more than 25mcg t3 was flat as hell, no pump, water retention due to adrenal fatigue and losing muscle at fast rate.

Once again, do what you want but 50mcgt3 is excessive
 
I wasnt talking about permanent damage to thyroid, i said about its detrimental effects on your physique. I dont need more than 50-100mcg t4 to get in competition shape and the times i tried more than 25mcg t3 was flat as hell, no pump, water retention due to adrenal fatigue and losing muscle at fast rate.

Once again, do what you want but 50mcgt3 is excessive
You look great man. It may or may not be excessive for me, as all drugs work different on people. I'm still getting pumps and I'm certainly not flat. How you think the T3 is going to ruin my physique exactly? Prevent the Deca from doing its part? Screw up my recovery? I'm willing to listen, but I need logical reasons so I can agree. So far I've noticed all positives.

But even the t3 thing is part of my experiment, too. I could drop it to 25mcg and perhaps that may still give me that digestion benefit. I'm not doing it to get shredded because I'm not in a cut anymore, I'm doing it because I believe it is helping me partition my food better, as indicated by my improved digestion.

What do you suggest I do at this stage?
 
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You look great man. It may or may not be excessive for me, as all drugs work different on people. I'm still getting pumps and I'm certainly not flat. How you think the T3 is going to ruin my physique exactly? Prevent the Deca from doing its part? Screw up my recovery? I'm willing to listen, but I need logical reasons so I can agree. So far I've noticed all positives.

But even the t3 thing is part of my experiment, too. I could drop it to 25mcg and perhaps that may still give me that digestion benefit. I'm not doing it to get shredded because I'm not in a cut anymore, I'm doing it because I believe it is helping me partition my food better, as indicated by my improved digestion.

What do you suggest I do at this stage?
t3 at high dosages makes you have hyperthyroidism and this actually cause lost of insulin sensitivity, lost of muscle by itself and yes it will take some of the result you could get from deca out of the ecuation even in superavit, in wont talk aboy deficit because itll be catabolic as fuck in that state. It will reduce your recovery due to hyperthiroidism, so you could not train as much as having normal values and impairing proper anabolism during rest.

It won be a medical condition if i hasnt that much drawbacks. The only way to know if it is too much for you is taking bloods, ask for ft3, ft4, TSH. To optimize metabolism you are looking to have high normal levels of ft3, middle to high normal levels of ft4 and tsh low but in range or a little bit suppressed.

If you are exceding any of these values your taking too much. Just take bloods, its important in this sport to evaluate how things are working, just my 2 cents.
 

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