1g Deca Only Experiment

[Type-IIx]

No. He is doing the nutrition part, not the training part. I don't need help on training.

And don't worry about what I'm doing like some kind of woman on her period, because that's what you sound like lol.

Oh man, the irony, you hop from one fad to the next: GH is the greatest-GH is useless-10 IU GH daily; Deca only; add orals and GH; cutting, bulking, drop the T3, bulking-COACH; vegan, who knows, paleo, high protein; BULKING; Brignole... you get my point. Like a chick unable to pick out her outfit for the day.

 

[Bumpygooch]

Oh man, the irony, you hop from one fad to the next: GH is the greatest-GH is useless-10 IU GH daily; Deca only; add orals and GH; cutting, bulking, drop the T3, bulking-COACH; vegan, who knows, paleo, high protein; BULKING; Brignole... you get my point. Like a chick unable to pick out her outfit for the day.

@falseprophet09 he’s not wrong, you ARE a little ADD. Also, bro splits are dogshit, IMHO, of course. I’ll explain why. I did bro splits for probably 20-25 years. Never did I make the progress I made when I switched to PPL, and in a relatively short time frame. Also, bro splits are notorious for junk volume. If you’re not cooked after 10-12 working sets of a muscle, you’re doing it wrong. I can’t imagine doing the 24-26 sets of back I do a week in one session, half of that would be a waste, might as well call it cardio. Again, my opinion only, but, based on a fair amount of experience.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Oh man, the irony, you hop from one fad to the next: GH is the greatest-GH is useless-10 IU GH daily; Deca only; add orals and GH; cutting, bulking, drop the T3, bulking-COACH; vegan, who knows, paleo, high protein; BULKING; Brignole... you get my point. Like a chick unable to pick out her outfit for the day.

I experiment with things, instead of taking people's word for it, which I have done for years; it is the only way to truly know what is best for your body. Again, you come on here butt hurt like it matters to you. I'll be fine, so you worry about yourself and your emotions about a guy you've never met online and what he is doing. I'm not here to get any approval from anons online; I made this log to share my experience, and none of you are forced to sit here and follow it. Go do something more productive with your time instead of bitching about me.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

@falseprophet09 he’s not wrong, you ARE a little ADD. Also, bro splits are dogshit, IMHO, of course. I’ll explain why. I did bro splits for probably 20-25 years. Never did I make the progress I made when I switched to PPL, and in a relatively short time frame. Also, bro splits are notorious for junk volume. If you’re not cooked after 10-12 working sets of a muscle, you’re doing it wrong. I can’t imagine doing the 24-26 sets of back I do a week in one session, half of that would be a waste, might as well call it cardio. Again, my opinion only, but, based on a fair amount of experience.

I absolutely am a little ADD, that is no question, because I can get very analytical and I want to know every detail to justify what I am doing. I have no problem admitting my flaws, unlike most people with huge egos that can't even admit if they are incorrect about something, and project their insecurities on others.

Part of the reason I decided to take the opportunity to let this coach (who is on this forum btw) to bulk me up, soI don't have to think about how I eat and all the contradicting positions on dieting for a bulk. But even when he tells me to do stuff, I'll ask him things so I can learn from the experience.

As for training, I know what works for me, and don't need advice on that.
I've done both Blood and Guts and was actually my biggest, only going to the gym 4x a week, but training to absolute failure. Since I didn't have partner, literally every exercises was a drop set finisher.

But I've also high volume bro splits..."the Junk" volume isn't an issue if you are pumping blood into that area and not always going to failure; technical failure is fine, but not beyond.

My recent thing with an Arnold split 6 days in a row works too, but I had to hold back on my intensity and desire to push further. What I've learned is that they ALL work, but it also matters on your personality type.

Since I'm more of a high intensity guy, going to the extreme per session, I rather go all out, than hold back with RIR and other shit. Also, I actually get more energy as I workout; this has a lot to do with neurotransmitter type which you can find on the Braverman test, which will tell you whether your are serotonin, dopamine, gaba, or acetylcholine dominant. I'm dopamine dominant, so I can literally train insanely and not fatigue like most people. Of course, each neurotype has a weakness as well. Look into Justin Thibaudeau on this, as he goes more in-depth.

Recent studies have shown that so long as volume is equated, the frequency shows virtually no difference in approaches, but I will say, going super heavy to death and beyond failure, is probably not good for your joints and longevity compared to how Jay trained. He always went for the pump, not the weights.

So it seems to me, you can either go super-heavy and intense to destroy the muscle with low volume (Dorian) and High Rep, high volume sessions like Jay to destroy the muscle, or JP, low volume, higher frequency at the end of the day, so long as you destroy your muscles and can recover, it's up to which you enjoy doing most.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

As for the "science," well that seems to favor everything when you go looking for something. If Bro splits are trash, why were the best pros doing them? There comes a point where you're pushing so much weight, you won't be able to do PPL, nor be able to simulate the amount of muscle you put on in those sessions, which is what is happening to me now.. I did my transformation from Fat whale to what I am now doing PPL, but time to grow and I'm gonna need more volume, more focus on each muscle, and more recovery...


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BseU8MdJpGc&ab_channel=MassiveIron-SteveShaw

 

[Cherokee]

Except Deca Dic, what is bad, if anything , about only using Deca?

I'm definitely considering it, or maybe just with TRT does with it

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Except Deca Dic, what is bad, if anything , about only using Deca?

I'm definitely considering it, or maybe just with TRT does with it

I haven't taken any test in 6 weeks, and my dick is fine... The only thing I 'lost" is my "drive," where I don't think of sex every 2 seconds, as if I were on Test. But when the wife and I get down, it works totally fine.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

And yes, I know this was supposed to be a Deca only log, but coach highly recommended the GH and a DHT. And since I'm stuffing my face and really putting my chips all in, my "maingain" while on a gram of deca only, now turned into "I'm going all in, minus test." So, if I'm going to push myself with diet, I'm going to maximize all drugs, instead of waste this opportunity while I have a coach.

GH from the new source I got was so cheap ($70 a kit), it is actually worth it, compared to 125 or whatever else from other source. Moreover, it is so cheap I can blast 10ius when the time comes, which could make a difference...we'll see...again experiment.

The Drol will only reward my efforts more...but ultimately, what this log is teaching everyone is, WE DON'T NEED TEST LIKE EVERYONE CLAIMS... so that myth is dead. The DHT and Deca still will prove test is not needed... Granted, the Drol may have more sides of its own, but if this were a Primo and Deca only cycle, this would be side-effect free, with no test, which causes most of the sides and needs an AI and other counter measures.

 

[theotherguy]

The Drol will only reward my efforts more...but ultimately, what this log is teaching everyone is, WE DON'T NEED TEST LIKE EVERYONE CLAIMS... so that myth is dead. The DHT and Deca still will prove test is not needed... Granted, the Drol may have more sides of its own, but if this were a Primo and Deca only cycle, this would be side-effect free, with no test, which causes most of the sides and needs an AI and other counter measures.

That’s a bold claim to make barely more than a month in and with no blood work to back it up, and not exactly advice I’d be willing to give others without a lot more trials and data to back that up.

Even if it works out fine for you, that doesn’t mean it’ll work fine for everyone else.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

That’s a bold claim to make barely more than a month in and with no blood work to back it up, and not exactly advice I’d be willing to give others without a lot more trials and data to back that up.

Even if it works out fine for you, that doesn’t mean it’ll work fine for everyone else.

The thing is, people were doing Deca like this back in the day. Menzter would run 900 mg of NPP only per week, for example.

 

[T&H]

That’s a bold claim to make barely more than a month in and with no blood work to back it up, and not exactly advice I’d be willing to give others without a lot more trials and data to back that up.

Even if it works out fine for you, that doesn’t mean it’ll work fine for everyone else.

Agreed. 6 weeks in and this guy is making claims like deca only can replace test because it works for him and therefore, everyone. I've noticed OP projects a lot he reads and watchs on everyone else as proof his claims are accurate.

 

[Cherokee]

Agreed. 6 weeks in and this guy is making claims like deca only can replace test because it works for him and therefore, everyone. I've noticed OP projects a lot he reads and watchs on everyone else as proof his claims are accurate.

Ok... so what about his claims years ago they use to do NPP only?

People are quick to attack, but I don't see anyone debating the data, just him

 

[T&H]

Ok... so what about his claims years ago they use to do NPP only?

People are quick to attack, but I don't see anyone debating the data, just him

I'm not talking about the NPP claims years ago, I'm talking about his 6 week cycle proving test is not needed as he claims. No one is attacking him, we're questioning his words which should be done anytime you make a definitive remark like test can be replaced by deca.

Last I checked, it's on him to provide actual proof for his claim. Here's all I could find on pubmed, just compares it to test tho.

Beyond testosterone cypionate: evidence behind the use of nandrolone in male health and wellness - PMC

Characterized by low serum testosterone levels and diverse symptoms, male hypogonadism is a common condition. Current medical treatment focuses on testosterone supplementation using multiple modalities such as injections, gels and pellets. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Cherokee]

I'm not talking about the NPP claims years ago, I'm talking about his 6 week cycle proving test is not needed as he claims. No one is attacking him, we're questioning his words which should be done anytime you make a definitive remark like test can be replaced by deca.

Last I checked, it's on him to provide actual proof for his claim.

Well, it sounds like potentially there is a lot of information available from prior usage years ago? Or not? Was it common for people to run Deca by itself years ago?

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Agreed. 6 weeks in and this guy is making claims like deca only can replace test because it works for him and therefore, everyone. I've noticed OP projects a lot he reads and watchs on everyone else as proof his claims are accurate.

You don't need to run test for a cycle; I'm not saying Deca can replace testosterone or TRT. When you run any anabolics, including Test, you shut down your natural production... I'm stating, as many others who have done no test cycles, that you don't NEED test to run a cycle for the purpose of bodybuilding and gaining muscle.

And as I stated before, back in the day, they only ran things like Primo, Dbol, Parabolin, Deca, NPP etc.; test wasn't a staple in those days, although Dbol was that derivative as a "base" that fulfilled test functions.

And how am I projecting if this experiment is on ME, and reporting on what happening on ME, not what any else is doing? I'm only referring to Mentzer and others who ran no-test cycles, and notice, back then, none of them were balding, had acne, and all the other sides we see with test.

So why is it ok for people to claim deca dick, bloating, etc, which are literally all projections, when we are learning that the culprit is actually the TEST while on deca that causes the issues, but NOT Deca alone? I'm six weeks in on deca only, and people are acting like that isn't enough time, which is more nonsense, because the drugs working immediately in your system. What are people going to argue next, that on week 8 its still not enough time? Week 10? Week12? I should be falling apart according to all these people who say Test is a must.

If I stop TRT for 2 weeks, I lose my dick totally and become a depressed mess... so explain why this hasn't if I'm just projecting and repeating shit from other people? Could it be the regurgitated dogma from all these anonymous people on forums and "gurus" who have no actual medical training are just providing their speculation with no actual science behind it, especially when we have PROOF of pros from the early days who didn't even touch test?

I got this idea from Taeian Clarke, who talks about all this shit on his Youtube, and coaches people running these types cycles. I didn't just take his word for it, I tried it myself. Deca base cycle, No testosterone, No sides. - TAEIAN

Find him on YouTube and go watch his videos on this, and how he talks about his clients running deca-only, and even other things solo.

 

[RussianDoggo]

I got this idea from Taeian Clarke, who talks about all this shit on his Youtube, and coaches people running these types cycles. I didn't just take his word for it, I tried it myself. Deca base cycle, No testosterone, No sides. - TAEIAN

Find him on YouTube and go watch his videos on this, and how he talks about his clients running deca-only, and even other things solo.

I've saw the podcasts of Taiean bro. You are saying you have no libido problems, no lack of motivation, nor anything? And you will sustain these high dosages for long term as standard trt?

I would do deca only because sometimes I'm really hostile at test. Damn I have to control myself to not became Victor Szas and go out butchrring people LOL. But I too don't have the courage to test it. I have gf. Always. It would be hard to explain if I go limp hehehe

Also depression could be a thing with 19nors. You don't really feel anything? I will keep follow for your months progress if you keep doing it.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I've saw the podcasts of Taiean bro. You are saying you have no libido problems, no lack of motivation, nor anything? And you will sustain these high dosages for long term as standard trt?

I would do deca only because sometimes I'm really hostile at test. Damn I have to control myself to not became Victor Szas and go out butchrring people LOL. But I too don't have the courage to test it. I have gf. Always. It would be hard to explain if I go limp hehehe

Also depression could be a thing with 19nors. You don't really feel anything? I will keep follow for your months progress if you keep doing it.

No. I will not be using this for TRT. This is only for a blast to gain muscle. When I'm done with blasting, I will go back to TRT, but that's gonna be a long time because after this bulk, I'm going directly into my cut, after a short break.

I have none of the problems people say I should have. Everything I've ever heard about deca issues were always from people who run test with it. But after discovering Taeian, and learning what the 60-80's guys did, I decided to try it out. Monday will be week 7.

I am adding anadrol to my Deca cycle, so I'll be on 1g deca, and eventually 50mg of anadrol a day; I may bump up to 1.5 deca, but we will see about that.

No I don't feel any depression. I have no aggression either, but I do have focus in the gym and strength has increased. My sex drive doesn't exist, but I have can sex when I want to and I don't go limp at all.

 

[Cherokee]

No. I will not be using this for TRT. This is only for a blast to gain muscle. When I'm done with blasting, I will go back to TRT, but that's gonna be a long time because after this bulk, I'm going directly into my cut, after a short break.

I have none of the problems people say I should have. Everything I've ever heard about deca issues were always from people who run test with it. But after discovering Taeian, and learning what the 60-80's guys did, I decided to try it out. Monday will be week 7.

I am adding anadrol to my Deca cycle, so I'll be on 1g deca, and eventually 50mg of anadrol a day; I may bump up to 1.5 deca, but we will see about that.

No I don't feel any depression. I have no aggression either, but I do have focus in the gym and strength has increased. My sex drive doesn't exist, but I have can sex when I want to and I don't go limp at all.

So does your Guru preach the problem arises from using Test with Deca? But as long as you use Deca by itself, you won't have sides?

 

[Deleted member 123722]

So does your Guru preach the problem arises from using Test with Deca? But as long as you use Deca by itself, you won't have sides?

I don't have a guru.

Go read the article I posted above.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

If you don't like Taeien because he sounds like an air-head, here's another person citing studies about how Test is the problem.



View: https://www.reddit.com/r/PEDsR/comments/a754b0/tren_deca_does_not_raise_prolactin/