I'm kind of excited for this log.
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1g tren 700mg test prop for 12 weeks - 7lbs pure muscle realistic ?
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Better but you're still into PCT too quickly given the large doses. Has it occurred to you that if you run a straight dose you probably will not see substantial improvement after week 8? Doesn't matter if it's 400mg or a gram. If you are going to run a high dose cycle shorten it and focus more on your restoration of hpta.
As Millard already mentioned how much of your gains you can keep is complicated involving many different variables. Among these, and not the least important by any means, is how rapidly, and completely you can restore your hpta. Your current post cycle plan sucks and you will most likely only restore partially before you start your next cycle. This will be compounded with each additional cycle until you are completely f**ked.
aestheticphysique
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I know but from week 8-12 Is all about letting the new muscle mature.
Ok so what's the best way to pct to keep gains ?
Ok so what's the best way to pct to keep gains ?
I'm 5 days into pct ill keep you updated. I'm just trying to keep my calories up because my appetite has dropped a little.
Then you have to make a choice. Either shorten the cycle or reduce the number of cycles per year. You're not going to recover from a cycle this harsh in the time you have given.
I wish I could answer your second question but it's out of my depth. I'm just learning myself and it turns out to be a very complicated question. There are people here who are eminently more qualified to address this than I am.
For starters, as I understand it, you have to wait for the compounds to "clear" your system before you can start PCT. I don't know how long that takes. I would guess at least 4 to 5 half lives but I'm only speculating. You would need blood work to be certain.
Here's what I don't get about you. You seem to be more focused on tren than your goal. Your goal is easily achievable with two 8 week Test P cycles per year. These cycles would be relatively easy to recover from and keep gains as opposed to adding tren, and at high doses, which is very difficult to recover form. You will already be at low BF. Why add the tren and make things harder on yourself?
aestheticphysique
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Hmm interesting , surely tren doesn't shut down natty t , only testosterone can is this correct ?
beezil
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DieYoungStrong
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Stop feeding the troll. If he is for real, he has a better chance of dieing in his bathtub, blow drying his faux hawk, then making it long enough to die from any "steroid related" issues.
Are you kidding? Where do you get your information? For your own good, you need to spend some time here asking questions before you go forward.
As I understand it, tren shuts you down much faster and much harder. In addition, I believe both are dose and duration dependent. In short, the more you take and the longer you are on the more difficult the recovery. At some point full restoration will prbably be impossible.
Dam, where if Dr. Jim when you need him? I wish he were here to answer these questions.
johnnyBALLZ
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In the off chance that he really is 18 and planning on doing this, I don't want to see him make this horrible mistake. I would rather make a few more possibly useless post in the hopes of talking some sense into him.
aestheticphysique
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1g tren is off , I really wanted to do it.
500mg tren ? And 700mg test prop ?
500mg tren ? And 700mg test prop ?
aestheticphysique
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Look I'm going to cut the
Crap I'm highly uneducated but know a fair bit ie injection sites and how to do it BUT still researching on doses for my goal.
I have 3 years that's how long zyzz took to get from skinny to shredded ,
He said himself he only touched test prop and tren a, I don't know what's best cycle length and how many to do per year ?
Crap I'm highly uneducated but know a fair bit ie injection sites and how to do it BUT still researching on doses for my goal.
I have 3 years that's how long zyzz took to get from skinny to shredded ,
He said himself he only touched test prop and tren a, I don't know what's best cycle length and how many to do per year ?
How about this? You seem a lot smarter than most guys in that you have a long term plan over 3 years that is modest and quite good. So why not just run the prop for the first cycle and keep it to 8 weeks. 10 at the most. Then evaluate your results at the end of the 6 months and adjust as necessary. If you feel you need tren then, add it in slowly with each additional cycle evaluating and adjusting as necessary.
Chances are, with good diet and training you will be outperforming your desired goal without it. You have a lot of years ahead of you. If you don't need it, why use it now?
aestheticphysique
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Look ill post before and after
Pics tomor of my first cycle to me it was bad just blew up and gained fat I hated how i looked after, went from 180 -210lbs.
This is my last shot I'm turning 19. Next 3 years decide my life.
Year 1= 14lbs muscle 10%bf
Year 2 = 14lbs muscle 10%bf
Year 3 = 14lbs muscle 10%bf
Pics tomor of my first cycle to me it was bad just blew up and gained fat I hated how i looked after, went from 180 -210lbs.
This is my last shot I'm turning 19. Next 3 years decide my life.
Year 1= 14lbs muscle 10%bf
Year 2 = 14lbs muscle 10%bf
Year 3 = 14lbs muscle 10%bf
Ok, so run the first cycle test p only for 8 weeks. Do PCT and evaluate 2 months after. With good diet and training chances are you will have gained 10 - 12 lbs lean mass already and won't even need a 2nd cycle for the year. You can easily make up the additional 2 - 4 lbs training natty.
DieYoungStrong
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If you got fat then you don't know how to eat or train. Do you know that the right food is anabolic? Eating right and training right will work better then drugs and not knowing shit. Especially at your age.
aestheticphysique
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I focused to much on scale I was in 1k surplus I wanted to see 210 on the scale but this time in going by the Mirror
Pericles
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I think that Darwinism will solve this ^ stupidity.
Ok so you learned from it. I agree with you by the way. To many people get caught up in the scale. That's fine for power lifters but for BB's the mirror tells the truth. Now use that knowledge to guide your second cycle. Here is my advice with two options:
1. Use what you have learned and train natty for a few more years. This it the best option if you are really thinking long term - say past 3 years.
2. Use what you have learned and do an 8 - 10 week Test P only cycle. Evaluate your progress 3 months later and make adjustments for the next cycle accordingly. If you do this, do your research and make sure you have a well planned PCT. Post the cycle here before you start and ask for help.
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