youngstunna
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Bro let me ask you a question do you have pain after your injections, like site injection pain. Cause it kinda sounds like you are doubting if your gear is real?
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someanddone
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When I'm pinning there is no pain whatsoever, aside from the slight prick of the needle tip punching through the skin. Only the delt pin actually hurt immediately afterwards and was sore for a couple days. The ventro glute and glute pins have been painless the day of, and just slightly sore to the touch the day after.
Yeah, I guess I am a little paranoid about the legitamacy of my gear, but more worried that it is another steroid other than sust. Reasons for this include the fact that nobody has ever heard of or seen Innovex sustanon 300, can't find it online anywhere, haven't had the marked increase in sexual vitality, and the strength increases have not been noticeable.
It is possible that my gains thus far have been due to the increased calories, nutrient timing, ideal supplementation, and a lot of the placebo effect, which I really wanted to avoid. But I doubt that after years of not breaking 220 lbs with solid muscle and less than 15% bodyfat, I now have achieved it in 20 days without the help of some sort of hormonal help.
Bottom line? I need to be patient and hope that somebody on this forum has some relevant advice. After all, I am gaining weight and some size, so even if it is vegetable oil, something is working. Still want this psuedo-deca-dick to fucking disappear.
Yeah, I guess I am a little paranoid about the legitamacy of my gear, but more worried that it is another steroid other than sust. Reasons for this include the fact that nobody has ever heard of or seen Innovex sustanon 300, can't find it online anywhere, haven't had the marked increase in sexual vitality, and the strength increases have not been noticeable.
It is possible that my gains thus far have been due to the increased calories, nutrient timing, ideal supplementation, and a lot of the placebo effect, which I really wanted to avoid. But I doubt that after years of not breaking 220 lbs with solid muscle and less than 15% bodyfat, I now have achieved it in 20 days without the help of some sort of hormonal help.
Bottom line? I need to be patient and hope that somebody on this forum has some relevant advice. After all, I am gaining weight and some size, so even if it is vegetable oil, something is working. Still want this psuedo-deca-dick to fucking disappear.
someanddone
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What do y'all think about throwing in some anavar at the end of this cycle? Should I just keep this first cycle simple? Give me some ideas on doseage and length if you recommend it.
youngstunna
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Bro I have gotten bunk gear before and if you actually think you are taking legit shit you will work out harder be more focused and get some gains. Its good you have some pain a day after your injections because when I have gotten fake shit there is no pain afterwards and thats a pretty good sign to me. Id give it a couple more weeks if you dont get anymore outta it Id toss the gear and maybe find a new source. Sounds like you are doing everything right and Id prolly bet your ed is attributed to the stress of waiting for these huge gains that you thought you should have seen by now, and sometimes the gear could be underdosed and not as potent as thoguht to be.
The anavar at the end of your cycle is a good idea but how many weeks were you wanting to run it for personally I plan on running it in the future 6 weeks 50mg ed. Anyways keep us updated alotta guys are following this.Good Luck Bro.
The anavar at the end of your cycle is a good idea but how many weeks were you wanting to run it for personally I plan on running it in the future 6 weeks 50mg ed. Anyways keep us updated alotta guys are following this.Good Luck Bro.
someanddone
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The anavar is just an idea I'm toying with. It would be 50mg/ed for the last five weeks of the cycle. However, I'm looking into other options as well such as primo or test p. Just looking to bridge the time between the last pin of sust and the start of my pct.
Pct looks like this:
HCG - 500 IUs per day for 10 days starting 10 days before pct begins.(11 days after last sust pin) Total of 21 days between last sust pin and start of pct, the last 10 taking HCG.
Clomid - 150 mgs day 1. 100 mgs days 2-7. 50 mgs days 8-15. 50 mgs EOD 16-22.
Nolva - 40mgs per day week 1. 20 mgs per day week 2. 20 mgs EOD week 3.
As always, advice and comments and suggestions are welcomed and appreciated.
Pct looks like this:
HCG - 500 IUs per day for 10 days starting 10 days before pct begins.(11 days after last sust pin) Total of 21 days between last sust pin and start of pct, the last 10 taking HCG.
Clomid - 150 mgs day 1. 100 mgs days 2-7. 50 mgs days 8-15. 50 mgs EOD 16-22.
Nolva - 40mgs per day week 1. 20 mgs per day week 2. 20 mgs EOD week 3.
As always, advice and comments and suggestions are welcomed and appreciated.
youngstunna
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Personally Id run the Test P the last three weeks after you finish the sus. then wait 3 weeks and start pct
someanddone
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Why wait three weeks after test p? The half-life is not that long. The point is to take something after the sust that will help keep the gains coming while the long esthers in the sust work their way out and then when I'm done with the "bridger" I'll start my pct within a week.
What am I missing here?
What am I missing here?
youngstunna
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your sustanon has a blend of test in it if it has test undeconate in it the half life of that compund can stay in your system about three weeks I believe, thats why I said run the test p because the half life on it is much less more like 60 hours.
someanddone
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This says take test prop for three weeks after last sust pin then wait another three weeks to start pct.
So my reply was why wait the three weeks after test p to start pct? The half life is like two and a half days, so I would start pct on the third day after my last test prop pin.
I'm pretty sure that's what you were implying, it just came out different in your post.
I appreciate the replies bro, it kinda seems like you're the only one still following.
someanddone
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Anyone want to chip in some advice on the tweaks to the end of my cycle that i've been proposing?
Just some quick replies such as:
"Go with the anavar." or "Test prop during the 3 week gap between sust and pct".
Thanks gents.
Just some quick replies such as:
"Go with the anavar." or "Test prop during the 3 week gap between sust and pct".
Thanks gents.
youngstunna
New Member
Your right bro I was thinking if you were not planning on running the prop then youd wait the 3 weeks for the long esters to get outta your system.
Hope I have been some kinda help to you.Good Luck.
Hope I have been some kinda help to you.Good Luck.
G.I. Joe Galway
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Test prop during the 3 week gap between sust and pct".
or 4weeks!
or 4weeks!
someanddone
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I think I have it figured out guys. I have been taking sust only for almost 4 weeks now and I have another 4 weeks of oil left. I was originally planning on a 10 week cycle but realized halfway through the first vial that the vials were both short.
Now I have decided that instead of getting another vial of sust and therefore pin for 12 weeks and not start pct until week 15, I'm going to switch to test prop after week 8.
Here's where I need your help, I'd like to just get one 50ml vial at 20mgs per ml. This is enough for 20 days at 50 mgs per day or 100mgs EOD. Is 350mgs per week enough after being at 600mgs of sust for 8 weeks? Should I start the prop on the monday of week 9 when I would be taking my next sust pin or is there a more ideal time to start the prop?
Now I have decided that instead of getting another vial of sust and therefore pin for 12 weeks and not start pct until week 15, I'm going to switch to test prop after week 8.
Here's where I need your help, I'd like to just get one 50ml vial at 20mgs per ml. This is enough for 20 days at 50 mgs per day or 100mgs EOD. Is 350mgs per week enough after being at 600mgs of sust for 8 weeks? Should I start the prop on the monday of week 9 when I would be taking my next sust pin or is there a more ideal time to start the prop?
someanddone
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Hahahaha. Just re-read my post. Not sure how tired I was when I wrote that but it is a 20 ml vial at 100 mg per ml. Which changes all my numbers and questions.
Is 100 mgs per day with sundays off too much? It would be the same total test as the sust at 600mgs per week, but I've read a couple posts about not needing that much prop for a novice first time user.
The timing question still stands. How long after my last sust pin should I wait to start prop so that my levels stay consistent?
Sorry bout the 50ml and 20mgs/ml. That would suck to pin 5 ml per day. I'd have to rotate 10 different spots and I'd feel like a pin-cushion.
Is 100 mgs per day with sundays off too much? It would be the same total test as the sust at 600mgs per week, but I've read a couple posts about not needing that much prop for a novice first time user.
The timing question still stands. How long after my last sust pin should I wait to start prop so that my levels stay consistent?
Sorry bout the 50ml and 20mgs/ml. That would suck to pin 5 ml per day. I'd have to rotate 10 different spots and I'd feel like a pin-cushion.
youngstunna
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So how have the results been coming have'nt seen any updates in a while
someanddone
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Sorry bout the delayed updates recently, I've been preoccupied trying to find some gear.
Weight is up to 234.5 and strength is slowly increasing. Nothing dramatic still, but I'm still holding out hope that my gear is legit, and that the weight gain is not just the result of almost 6000 calories a day. On another note, my temporary limp-dick has completely disappeared and I'm back to ravaging my wife, although this was the norm pre-cycle anyway, so I'm not sure if my libido has increased or was already at its max.
I'm going to be posting pictures again this coming monday at the 29 day mark so stay tuned. Its hard for me to judge myself visually because I see myself so much, but I'd love y'alls opinions.
Also, please check out the previous posts asking for advice on test prop dosages and such.
Mayo, Kbd, Get some, Deacon, Reinhart, Renegade, and all you other experienced mentors, I'd like your critiques and advice. I didn't forget about you Youngstunna, but I didn't include you because you have been responding, thanks bro.
Weight is up to 234.5 and strength is slowly increasing. Nothing dramatic still, but I'm still holding out hope that my gear is legit, and that the weight gain is not just the result of almost 6000 calories a day. On another note, my temporary limp-dick has completely disappeared and I'm back to ravaging my wife, although this was the norm pre-cycle anyway, so I'm not sure if my libido has increased or was already at its max.
I'm going to be posting pictures again this coming monday at the 29 day mark so stay tuned. Its hard for me to judge myself visually because I see myself so much, but I'd love y'alls opinions.
Also, please check out the previous posts asking for advice on test prop dosages and such.
Mayo, Kbd, Get some, Deacon, Reinhart, Renegade, and all you other experienced mentors, I'd like your critiques and advice. I didn't forget about you Youngstunna, but I didn't include you because you have been responding, thanks bro.
someanddone
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Day 29 -
Calories are between 5500 and 6000 a day. Weight is right at 235 (up 15 since start). Gaining bodyfat with the muscle so I think that I've been a little on the high side with the calories since it takes a few weeks for the sust to really kick in. Diet is really clean so I'm pretty sure its just the abundance of calories. At least I'm used to the dedication it takes to shove that much food in your mouth day in and day out. Strength is up in all lifts and aggression/libido is noticeably higher. Starting to get asked about how I'm getting bigger and my response is always "i'm getting fat!" (followed by a laugh and a quick departure). So here are the pics, through 4 weeks, cold. Btw, does anybody know of an editing program that can put my progress pics side by side so it's easier for everyone to judge?
Calories are between 5500 and 6000 a day. Weight is right at 235 (up 15 since start). Gaining bodyfat with the muscle so I think that I've been a little on the high side with the calories since it takes a few weeks for the sust to really kick in. Diet is really clean so I'm pretty sure its just the abundance of calories. At least I'm used to the dedication it takes to shove that much food in your mouth day in and day out. Strength is up in all lifts and aggression/libido is noticeably higher. Starting to get asked about how I'm getting bigger and my response is always "i'm getting fat!" (followed by a laugh and a quick departure). So here are the pics, through 4 weeks, cold. Btw, does anybody know of an editing program that can put my progress pics side by side so it's easier for everyone to judge?
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Stretch
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I luv it when guys show their progress, it takes time, but it's cool to see guys progressing.
Lookin pretty fuckin good bro....
Don't worry about people asking questions, they can "think" all they want, as long as you don't appear flustered or uncomfortable by their questions, they have nothing to go on.
I like the "I'm gettin fat" line. I"d hit 'em with the fact that you're taking in as much food as 3 of them put together.
youngstunna
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Looking good bro I love it when guys post the results of there pics I can see some change for sure and I see youve been doing a little tanning, Keep it up bro.
