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RealET said:
Here’s what you do. Go to 8 weeks see how you feel or if you’ve developed any sides gyno etc. If all good, go to 10. If all good go to 12 then end your cycle
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Gyno is not going to happen on Test C only cycle if you are managing estro properly. Just go 12 weeks and go read some more on 1st cycles to understand why you need HCG and an AI. You need BOTH on cycle. Not just "on hand".

Get bloodwork at week 6 to ensure you're properly controlling estrogen with your AI. If it gets too high you will hinder your gains on cycle.
 
deadliftsngummybears said:
Just ordered a pre-cyc blood test... Can someone post a typical normal test result and give some info on what the numbers mean?
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Really need a CBC, CMP, hormone panel and lipid panel. It’ll cost a little but a good investment if you think this is a lifestyle you’ll stick with.

Post results here. If anything is out of range we’ll discuss it with you...
 
Sven_Northman said:
Gyno is not going to happen on Test C only cycle if you are managing estro properly. Just go 12 weeks and go read some more on 1st cycles to understand why you need HCG and an AI. You need BOTH on cycle. Not just "on hand".

Get bloodwork at week 6 to ensure you're properly controlling estrogen with your AI. If it gets too high you will hinder your gains on cycle.
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Not true.

Lots of people need absolutely no AI even at 1g of test a week.

It’s highly individual, so he should have his AI on hand, but definitely not include it unless high estro sides begin to show
 
Goingstronger said:
Not true.

Lots of people need absolutely no AI even at 1g of test a week.

It’s highly individual, so he should have his AI on hand, but definitely not include it unless high estro sides begin to show
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I find that quite amazing a gram a week doesn't raise estro. But ok.
 
deadliftsngummybears said:
LabsMD - Simple and Secure Lab Tests Online

It's the one with the info open on this link. Hormone panel (Males)$73.99

This is what I went with. I recently (a few months ago) had a full panel done through my Dr. Everything was great according to him. The blood work I plan on getting done is more for an accurate/more recent test. Is this test not sufficient?
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Looks good man.

It includes a CBC and CMP so you’ll see kidney and liver function, blood counts, etc. as well as hormone info...

Remember, this is data for down the road.

Good job.
 
Sven_Northman said:
I find that quite amazing a gram a week doesn't raise estro. But ok.
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Not that it doesn't raise E2, of course it will. It's just that some people don't have issues with gyno, even with relatively high dosages.

On the flip side...

i remember reading a post where a new guy said he needed an AI for his doctor prescribed TRT because he was exhibiting the symptoms of gyno.

Of course that's just a bro story, but it's easily believable, given how drastically different exogenous hormones affect each person.

So i agree with @Goingstronger to have them on hand, but don't throw more drugs at a problem that hasn't presented itself yet and may not necessarily even be a problem at all.
 
MisterSuperGod said:
Not that it doesn't raise E2, of course it will. It's just that some people don't have issues with gyno, even with relatively high dosages.

On the flip side...

i remember reading a post where a new guy said he needed an AI for his doctor prescribed TRT because he was exhibiting the symptoms of gyno.

Of course that's just a bro story, but it's easily believable, given how drastically different exogenous hormones affect each person.

So i agree with @Goingstronger to have them on hand, but don't throw more drugs at a problem that hasn't presented itself yet and may not necessarily even be a problem at all.
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Maybe I'm not reading things right but I learned on this site that high E2, even if not causing issues/symptoms, is not good on cycle as it can hinder gains. That an ideal level is around 40. Is that true? Just wanting to understand as I see it always recommended in a cycle to take it EOD. Either Arimidex or Aromasin.

I understand how drastically different exogenous hormones affect each person. Some are prone to symptoms while others are not.

I was taking 12.5mg eod on my test only 500gm/wk cycle then switched to e3d when I introduced Mast into my cycle. I assumed the Mast would control E2. Nope. Just masked my E2 I found at over 100 when I did bloods mid cycle. Got it back down and all good.
 
Sven_Northman said:
Maybe I'm not reading things right but I learned on this site that high E2, even if not causing issues/symptoms, is not good on cycle as it can hinder gains. That an ideal level is around 40. Is that true? Just wanting to understand as I see it always recommended in a cycle to take it EOD. Either Arimidex or Aromasin.

I understand how drastically different exogenous hormones affect each person. Some are prone to symptoms while others are not.

I was taking 12.5mg eod on my test only 500gm/wk cycle then switched to e3d when I introduced Mast into my cycle. I assumed the Mast would control E2. Nope. Just masked my E2 I found at over 100 when I did bloods mid cycle. Got it back down and all good.
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meant 500mg. not gm of course.
 
Sven_Northman said:
Maybe I'm not reading things right but I learned on this site that high E2, even if not causing issues/symptoms, is not good on cycle as it can hinder gains. That an ideal level is around 40. Is that true? Just wanting to understand as I see it always recommended in a cycle to take it EOD. Either Arimidex or Aromasin.

I understand how drastically different exogenous hormones affect each person. Some are prone to symptoms while others are not.

I was taking 12.5mg eod on my test only 500gm/wk cycle then switched to e3d when I introduced Mast into my cycle. I assumed the Mast would control E2. Nope. Just masked my E2 I found at over 100 when I did bloods mid cycle. Got it back down and all good.
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This is interesting, because i have not come across this information and this intrigues me. Estrogen is obviously essential to growth and low E2 can be problematic, as we all know.

i've seen it preached many times to avoid chasing numbers, instead treat the symptoms accordingly. i'm going to have to dig into this a little deeper, and if all else fails, tag in a few members that are far smarter than myself.
 
So as far as my proposed 12 week cycle (First), should I drop a tab EOD for safe measure or see where I'm at when the 6 week blood test is performed. Either way I'll have it on hand.

Also, as opposed to Test C or Test E, would Sust250 influence this decision?
 
Just finishing up my first cycle. Test E for 8 weeks then Test P for 4weeks. 12 week cycle. Starting week 2-3 I noticed sensitive nips. If you go with arimidex .25 EOD did the trick for me. Get bloods done mid way through around week 6 to dial in AI after you stay consistent with it, if you need it.... you’ll prly need it. Good luck bro and enjoy it!
 
deadliftsngummybears said:
So as far as my proposed 12 week cycle (First), should I drop a tab EOD for safe measure or see where I'm at when the 6 week blood test is performed. Either way I'll have it on hand.

Also, as opposed to Test C or Test E, would Sust250 influence this decision?
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I’d stick with Test E or C bro. I enjoyed the Test Prop at the end of my cycle more and will run only Test Prop for my next cycle but for a first cycle I’d start off with Test E or C
 
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