1st timer - light cycle of test cypionate

[vscommi]

Hi

I am 26 male and been training for 3 years. I am 156 lb and 5ft5in.

My arms are nearly 15 in flexed. I have reached a plateau and would like to do a light cycle to give me a boost. My ultimate goal is to gain about 10lb.

I am thinking of doing a cycle of test cypionate at 200mg per week (1cc) for 8 weeks.

Do you think this can give me the boost i require?

Also do I need any PCT with such a low amount?

Your opinions will greatly appreciated.

 

[ironaddict69]

Well, a good starting dose is 400 minimum. 500 wud be better. and yes u need PCT.
read up on it if u dont know, but itll consist of nolva, clomid, and maybe hcg.

 

[jsupstarz]

Hi

I am 26 male and been training for 3 years. I am 156 lb and 5ft5in.

My arms are nearly 15 in flexed. I have reached a plateau and would like to do a light cycle to give me a boost. My ultimate goal is to gain about 10lb.

I am thinking of doing a cycle of test cypionate at 200mg per week (1cc) for 8 weeks.

Do you think this can give me the boost i require?

Also do I need any PCT with such a low amount?

Your opinions will greatly appreciated.

200 mg like he said is way too low, that is just a hair over what your body produces endogenously. Minimum is 400 w/ cyp. and 500 is prefered for a "newbie" and that alone will be a light cycle on you but probably give you quite impressive gains. Take 250mg 2wice a week, ex. 250 on mon. 250 on thur. And if you can go 10 weeks do it, the injectibles aren't very hard on your liver like say an oral. If you get 2 - 10ml vials of test cyp250 that will be perfect. Just don't forget PCT

 

[ForemanRules]

Hi

I am 26 male and been training for 3 years. I am 156 lb and 5ft5in.

My arms are nearly 15 in flexed. I have reached a plateau and would like to do a light cycle to give me a boost. My ultimate goal is to gain about 10lb.

I am thinking of doing a cycle of test cypionate at 200mg per week (1cc) for 8 weeks.

Do you think this can give me the boost i require?

Also do I need any PCT with such a low amount?

Your opinions will greatly appreciated.

400mg would be enough, 8 weeks is a decient time to run it. And Yes you will need PCT.

 

[vscommi]

Ok so if it is 200mg test cypionate I have, I should do 2ml p/week (400mg) for 10 weeks which is 2x 10ml bottles. With PCT is Nolva alone enough for say 6 weeks after the cycle at 20,20,20,20,10,5mgs.

 

[terrorizer2]

Ok so if it is 200mg test cypionate I have, I should do 2ml p/week (400mg) for 10 weeks which is 2x 10ml bottles. With PCT is Nolva alone enough for say 6 weeks after the cycle at 20,20,20,20,10,5mgs.

I would do 6 weeks at 20,20,20,20,20,10.The cyp dose you say is correct.I would do 8 to 10 weeks and wait 10 days before starting PCT.You will probably get away without HCG at this dose but i would get some just incase you get testicle shrinkage.


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[Ironhorse]

I would do 6 weeks at 20,20,20,20,20,10.The cyp dose you say is correct.I would do 8 to 10 weeks and wait 10 days before starting PCT.You will probably get away without HCG at this dose but i would get some just incase you get testicle shrinkage.


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Yes, this is definately a better PCT. He is also right about the HCG. Testicular atrophy sucks. Mine shrunk pretty small, used HCG and they came back QUICK. Good advice terrorizer.

 

[TheBeat]

It's refreshing not to see a first cycle that isn't Primobolan, Trenbolone, Equipoise, Deca-Durabolan with Dianabol and Winstrol for 8 weeks for a newbie.

I think that the Nolvadex should be ran at 20mg for 38 days, and for the last 5 days and 2 pills run .5 tab (10mg) for 3 days and .25(5mg) for 2 days. This will run 40 tabs. Personnally I would just run Arimidex and Test Cypi as follows:

01-10 Test Cypionate at 400-500MG
01-12 Arimidex at .5mg /day
13 Arimidex at .5mg /EOD
14 Arimidex at .25mg /EOD
15 Arimidex at .25mg / E3D
~~~That's it~~~ two drugs and simple.

 

[TheBeat]

Sorry, I meant to add something.

01-10 Test Cypionate at 400-500MG
(Another option would be to reduce it to 9 weeks and run a 4-5 week bridge/taper at 100mg)

01-12 Arimidex at .5mg /day
13 Arimidex at .5mg /EOD
14 Arimidex at .25mg /EOD
15 Arimidex at .25mg / E3D
~~~That's it~~~ two drugs and simple.

I would make it three drugs and add Proviron or Masteron Enanthate and you can probably reduce your Arimidex as well.

01-14 Proviron at 50mg /day
15 Proviron at 25mg /day
01-13 Arimidex at .25 /day
14 Arimidex at .25/ EOD
15 Arimidex at .25 /E3D

If you are set on Nolvadex like everyone is then drop the Arimidex at the end of week 13 and start your Nolvadex for 3 weeks and 20 tabs.


There are so many ways to do it, basically the way I see it is:

~Test only (first cycles), maybe add Proviron or Masteron (I always use one)
~Don't F**k around, use an AI, and don't bother with this "just in case" keep Nolvadex on hand,
just in case of what? the Arimidex doesn't work?
~I believe in tapering....Everything: aas, AI's, SERMS, Etc.
~SERMS like Nolvadex and Clomid have their purpose.....I just don't know where they are needed.
~Use a test base with every cycle, it does not have to be Testosterone, but could be a derivative like Dianabol or Equipoise (Eq only if a strong androgen is present such as Tren, Proviron, Etc.), basically what we are doing here is HRT, just at a much higher dose and other drug's thrown into the mix.

 

[Grizzly]

200 mg like he said is way too low, that is just a hair over what your body produces endogenously.

Well, that surely was a steaming pile of dogshit. You are totally incorrect. 200mg is a good 3 times what the body makes a week.

 

[terrorizer2]

Well, that surely was a steaming pile of dogshit. You are totally incorrect. 200mg is a good 3 times what the body makes a week.

Yes,the body makes about 70mg a week i believe.


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[vscommi]

OK, I have been doing dome more reading and it seems the male body produces 4-7 mg of test a day, that is about 40mg per week. So 200mg of test cypionate per week would be 5 times more. Also I have read that 200mg of test per week is what is used for HRT (hormone repl. therapy).

refer

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=DD68A7762A8502B03B01B008946A5B55.hydra?id=459883&pageNo=0#bottom

 

[novicebb]

Hi

I am 26 male and been training for 3 years. I am 156 lb and 5ft5in.

My arms are nearly 15 in flexed. I have reached a plateau and would like to do a light cycle to give me a boost. My ultimate goal is to gain about 10lb.

I am thinking of doing a cycle of test cypionate at 200mg per week (1cc) for 8 weeks.

Do you think this can give me the boost i require?

Also do I need any PCT with such a low amount?

Your opinions will greatly appreciated.

200mg a week would only be giving you about what your body is making naturally anyway so you won't really get any added benefits and will severly suppress your HPTA without the added benefits. With the Cypionate ester you probably getting less than 150-160mg of actual Testosterone. Bump it up to atleast 400mg weekly or stack it with with another drug that isn't as androgenic such as Deca or Boldenone. IF you can get your hands on 50mg of Proviron a day then you can lower your Test dosage to about 300mg weekly and still see some benefits.

 

[Bigkarch]

I really dont mean to be the rude one here... but after three years of training and still 156 lbs with 15 inch arms flexed is a bit small to go right to the juice...JMHO, but what is your diet and training like bro...I always advocate people new to this to tweak their training and diet first and they usually gain a lot more naturally before hitting AAS...Just a thought..

 

[TheBeat]

I don't know where this 200mg per week is what is used for HRT or that it is what your body is producing naturally came from, but it is far from true. I am on HRT and am prescribed 100mg of test per week which brings my levels to 700 which is if anything on the high end of normal. Now before anyone starts saying "yeah, but everyone is different" 100mg is standard and an Endocrinologist is not allowed by code to prescribe more than 150mg per week, doctors have to explain and have documented proof as to why they are prescribing above 100mg per week if questioned. Sure some "special" clinics will prescibe more, but 100mg per week will bring levels betwenn 500-700.

I personnally bump my HRT to 210mg per week and see great gains in all aspects from it. I monitor all of my blood levels and blood pressure, and run short cycles and go back to my "very high HRT" personal program.

Not to be rude at all, but I have a feeling that whatever gains are made you will lose once you come off; if what you are doing know is not getting you there and you have truly plateaued, then whether it;s training, diet, or hormonal - you will end up back where you are. Now i'll bet that you truly have not plateaued, and to me that is fine if you want to do a low-dose cycle to get you to your peak or above, everyone acts like they were super big and strong before they started and I'll bet that's true with maybe 10%, but not one single person that I know that used or uses aas were at that level.

Long answer=short; yeah you will make some good gains at your level at 200mg/week, but if you are going to shut down your htpa, might as well do a still health safe cycle of 400mg per week and use a taper/bridge back to your normal level. Run your cycle for 8weeks or so and then run a low hrt dose while you start to recover and allow your body to reach homeostatisis while you taper off. Why go from a test level of let's say 2000 drop to 100 and then back up to 600? People say supression is supression and think of testosterone being like a light switch - its on or off, but that is not the case. Your body does not know the difference between endogenous or exogenous testosterone and will try to reach your personnal base. As the testosterone cypionate (or whatever) leaves your system your body will start producing on it own, it just takes several weeks, not stop cold turkey, take nolvadex and suffer for a few weeks -give it several weeks to slowly come back to normal, don't crash and recover - taper and recover. If you are interested I can offer more and an exact cycle plan or cycle recommendations. A guy that I used to work with that is a state champion doesn't do the "typical PCT" but tapers and never has his test levels below 500 at any point during the year.

 

[Grizzly]

200mg a week would only be giving you about what your body is making naturally anyway so you won't really get any added benefits and will severly suppress your HPTA without the added benefits. With the Cypionate ester you probably getting less than 150-160mg of actual Testosterone. Bump it up to atleast 400mg weekly or stack it with with another drug that isn't as androgenic such as Deca or Boldenone. IF you can get your hands on 50mg of Proviron a day then you can lower your Test dosage to about 300mg weekly and still see some benefits.

Dude, don't speak if you're going to say stupid shit. It is NOT anywhere even fucking CLOSE to what you produce in a week. 200mg is significantly more testosterone than the body makes in a week.

 

[turboed]

vscommi,i trained for like 5 years before playing with juice but i remember the first year or two being the ones where i made some awesome gains.you might need to change your trainig or diet(more calories]you should tell these guys how you eat in one day and train and see how we can help.

 

[ForemanRules]

200mg a week would only be giving you about what your body is making naturally anyway so you won't really get any added benefits and will severly suppress your HPTA without the added benefits. With the Cypionate ester you probably getting less than 150-160mg of actual Testosterone. Bump it up to atleast 400mg weekly or stack it with with another drug that isn't as androgenic such as Deca or Boldenone. IF you can get your hands on 50mg of Proviron a day then you can lower your Test dosage to about 300mg weekly and still see some benefits.

I agree, while some produce 75-100mg a week naturally others produce 125-200mg so If you are going to cycle do it right. 400mg a week is a great dose to start with for a first cycle. Grizzly is wrong and getting off topic with his flaming and profanity.

 

[Grizzly]

I agree, while some produce 75-100mg a week naturally others produce 125-200mg so If you are going to cycle do it right. 400mg a week is a great dose to start with for a first cycle. Grizzly is wrong and getting off topic with his flaming and profanity.

The fuck I am, jack! Show me a single scientific article showing that much production in any sizable amount of the male population(meaning: it's fairly common, not just in freak occurences) a week. Just one.

edit- Here, I helped you out. [ame="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=daily+testosterone+production"]daily testosterone production - Google Search[/ame]

That's the search results for "daily testosterone production". Pay close attention to the first link...dick.

 

[tommyguns2]

I know that I am a minority position, but you will grow on 200mg/wk of test cyp. It's what I did, and over 12-14 weeks I did gain about 10 lbs of lean mass. It's more test than your body produces normally, and you'll have less sides in terms of bloating.

The keys to growth include the test + nutrition + training, and not in that order. Nutrition is still the key, and the test will help you break through the plateau.

Also, even with only 200mg/wk test, you may experience some water retention, so you should have an AI such as arimidex on hand. Also, the HCG is an excellent idea at 1-2X/wk.

Because test cyp is a long ester, go longer than 8 weeks, since you won't see the test really kick in until weeks 4-6.

If you want to keep the gains, and you do, the guys are right about a good PCT protocol. Nutrition post-cycle is still very important.

Good luck!