Reinheart
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No matter when i injected (IM) with this length of needles, i withdrew blood every time I aspirated. I don't advice it but Bill is a big advocate of this practice.
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No matter when i injected (IM) with this length of needles, i withdrew blood every time I aspirated. I don't advice it but Bill is a big advocate of this practice.
Yes, this works, assuming no really substantial padding of fat. But if say it is believable that there is a quarter inch of fat, for example, then I wouldn't use the half inch.
I never have until this moment looked at the relationship between skinfold thickness at the site as measured by calipers as it relates to suitability, but right now (as I am overfat at the moment) picking what I think is an okay site but personally I wouldn't want substantially thicker, the measurement was 12 mm. (Which of course is a doubling-up, and counts more than just fat.)
A better site would be 8-10 mm or less.
I don't know how to account for Reinheart's experience and I'm sorry to hear about his trouble. It has worked very well for very many.
xXGetBigSonXx
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Reinheart
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No problem Bill. It was my decision, nobody forced me into it! The worst part is that during a bicep injection (after i had aspirated and saw that there was no blood) i started pushing the plunger slowly.
After a few seconds i realized that the veins of my arm were bulging and it was very profound that something was going trough them. I aspirated again and blood came into the syringe.
Exactly the same thing happened when i injected my quads and my triceps.
I thought i was going to get a heart attack and i think this has left me with heart problems because i my cardiac muscle is in pain from time to time...
good thread.
Im contemplating on running a series of 2 week on/2 week off dianabol cycles at 25mg. PCT would be clomid for a few days, probably 50 day 1 and 2, and 25 for 3 and 4. Im still relatively a firm believer in clomid being overdosed; I ran a test of clomid at 12.5mg a day for a month, my test went from 600 to 860 (then again this wasnt after a cycle).
Some assumptions:
Dianabol wont be as suppressive as class 1 chems along with the short cycle duration.
(read a study where men where given 100mg for a few weeks and showed a 40% decrease in endo test.)
Clomids long half life should give a nice mellow taper and hopefully the majority be out of the system in two weeks; then again a little clomid on cycle shouldnt hurt.
If im impressed I will throw in some prop a few runs down the line.
I also have armidex but im thinking with such a short cycle, it wont be of much use.
Im contemplating on running a series of 2 week on/2 week off dianabol cycles at 25mg. PCT would be clomid for a few days, probably 50 day 1 and 2, and 25 for 3 and 4. Im still relatively a firm believer in clomid being overdosed; I ran a test of clomid at 12.5mg a day for a month, my test went from 600 to 860 (then again this wasnt after a cycle).
Some assumptions:
Dianabol wont be as suppressive as class 1 chems along with the short cycle duration.
(read a study where men where given 100mg for a few weeks and showed a 40% decrease in endo test.)
Clomids long half life should give a nice mellow taper and hopefully the majority be out of the system in two weeks; then again a little clomid on cycle shouldnt hurt.
If im impressed I will throw in some prop a few runs down the line.
I also have armidex but im thinking with such a short cycle, it wont be of much use.
OhNoYo
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opcorn:
I meant that the percentage of time in the year that I used Clomid wouldn't be 2/3 of the time. I wouldn't choose to run it for all 4 off weeks for a 2 on / 4 off program. I would limit it to 2 weeks.
It's not that a single year of using that much Clomid is an issue for those that don't have adverse symptoms from it, but really it is more from the standpoint of years on end steroid cycling that I think there could be an issue with being on Clomid, or Nolvadex for that matter, a very high percentage of the time.
The number of days depends on the choice and amounts of drug used, with the last injection being at a point where levels should allow recovery on day 15 (the first day of the off weeks.) But yes, the number of days between the last injection and day 15 is usually in that range though with substantial testosterone propionate use the last day can be Day 10 in some instances.
xXGetBigSonXx
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Cool! Thanks Bill you have helped a great deal!
GeorgeWBush
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Hi, questions about this.
What are your thoughts on frontloading a long estered compound, such as t-enanthate, deca, eq, etc... for a long cycle duration?
I have read that while AAS levels will be much higher, the benefits will still take a while to occur and frontloading will merely increase the side effects without speeding up the positive effects of the AAS.
Benefits occur earlier as well, definitely.
xXGetBigSonXx
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in the future might wanna post a new thread if the question doesnt pretain to the orginal post.. just sayin
xXGetBigSonXx
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This question is for Bill...
if one was to employee a few 2 weeks on, and 2 weeks off in the mix of a 2/4 cycle... how would one administer PCT with the 2/2? clomid being used
if one was to employee a few 2 weeks on, and 2 weeks off in the mix of a 2/4 cycle... how would one administer PCT with the 2/2? clomid being used
Clomid throughout the 2 off weeks. 300 mg on Day 1 in divided doses, and 50 mg/day thereafter.
OhNoYo
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Wouldn't this start getting in the realm of potential ocular toxicity since one would be on Clomid half the year on top of that large 300mg/day dose to start off the PCT?
The issue with eyes seems a yes/no for the individual, or to be dosage dependent, rather than a matter of slowly accumulating toxicity. Some have used Clomid for a year straight with no problems, both in bb'ing back when the AI's were much more common and it was also used as gyno protection, and in at least one medical study.
But if planning to do very many cycles back to back indeed it would be worth looking at seeing where the Clomid could be trimmed back to. A week might well suffice entirely, particularly if during the first week of the cycle HCG were used (500 IU on day 1 and then averaging 100 IU per day for the rest of that week, with no use past that.) However that is estimation only. I did a few cycles that way personally but not enough to come to any real conclusion regarding any difference vs not doing so.
But if planning to do very many cycles back to back indeed it would be worth looking at seeing where the Clomid could be trimmed back to. A week might well suffice entirely, particularly if during the first week of the cycle HCG were used (500 IU on day 1 and then averaging 100 IU per day for the rest of that week, with no use past that.) However that is estimation only. I did a few cycles that way personally but not enough to come to any real conclusion regarding any difference vs not doing so.
xXGetBigSonXx
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When coming back on for another 2 week cycle... should one run clomid right until the next day of pinning? Or should clomid be stopped a certain time before.
Thanks a lot Bill for all your advice
xXGetBigSonXx
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I wanted to touch base on this topic one last time...
Bill - runnin thins type of cycle and throwing a couple 2 on 2 offs in the mix as well... over a period of time with using orals (dbol) and clomid usage outlined.. there wouldnt be to much a concern over liver health?
Bill - runnin thins type of cycle and throwing a couple 2 on 2 offs in the mix as well... over a period of time with using orals (dbol) and clomid usage outlined.. there wouldnt be to much a concern over liver health?
The liver is quite good at dealing with these loads provided that it gets a break periodically. It's the fastest regenerating organ in the body. But more importantly, it's observation that the liver does okay with such use when there are breaks.
The stress really is from the alkylated usage. There do need to be periods of no alkylated steroids. There doesn't seem to be a problem with some Clomid remaining in the system throughout a training year.
The stress really is from the alkylated usage. There do need to be periods of no alkylated steroids. There doesn't seem to be a problem with some Clomid remaining in the system throughout a training year.
xXGetBigSonXx
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Thanks Bill..
And PCT should START on day 15 correct? This means pinning should cease a few days before depending on the half life of compounds being used, correct?
And PCT should START on day 15 correct? This means pinning should cease a few days before depending on the half life of compounds being used, correct?
Yes on both.
