2000 Mules / Election Documentary

[Hughinn]

Who won the 2020 election?

I think the answer is obvious. One only had to look at the process, the events and outcome and the answer is as clear as day who won and who lost.

The government won the election. That's who won.
The people lost.

 

[hijoshiki]

We're all on a forum where we carry out what is technically illegal, all of us know that we can get anything we want with a little bit of knowledge the general public knows nothing about.

Ballot stuffing obviously happened.

Lets get rid of the ballot boxes completely and have people present an ID and get their vote in person and lets see what happens.

We can't allow these drop off ballots anymore. You vote in person, that vote is counted in your presence and the ballot is discarded into a locked box or shredded.

 

[Big_paul]

We can't allow these drop off ballots anymore. You vote in person,

I don't agree but if it shut everyone the fuck up, I'd agree to it, as long as it was done in a way that made it easy for people to vote, and some people weren't standing in line for hrs. It shouldn't take longer than 15min to cast a vote anywhere in this country.

The alternative is something only a mad man wants.

 

[hijoshiki]

I don't agree but if it shut everyone the fuck up, I'd agree to it, as long as it was done in a way that made it easy for people to vote, and some people weren't standing in line for hrs. It shouldn't take longer than 15min to cast a vote anywhere in this country.

The alternative is something only a mad man wants.

Sure the process can be streamlined for convenience with more stations to take your vote, but we don't want to rush people along too fast, those ID's have to be checked considering we have at this point probably 30 million illegals living in the country.

 

[Zerg]

I realize this is a very heated topic. I just want to add some objective analysis here. First off I want to say you are free to think whatever time want about the election fraud that did or did not happen.

However, this movie is NOT a quality source of information. Of you want to read into the actual results of a true investigation into voter fraud, you can check this out. Here it is in an article from The Hill, which is more of right-wing news source. It may not confirm your preexisting believes and tell you what you want to hear...but it was a well done, thorough analysis on the issue, unlike this movie.

However, just the premise alone of this "documentary" has SERIOUS issues.

I urge people on both sides, whenever they see an article or a new movie or piece of media making a claim on either side, but especially regarding something they believe in are are subject to confirmation bias for, to PLEASE, PLEASE, BACK AWAY from your personal beliefs and try to analyze it objectively.

Ask questions, such as:
- Does the maker of this media have an agenda? In this case, yes, very much so.

- How severe are their claims? Is the evidence they provide (if any) up to the caliber required to back up the severity of their claims?

- How large is this conspiracy? We all know that the more people involved in a conspiracy the more likely at least one of them is to come forth regarding the crimes.

- Are there things that don't make sense or are too much of a stretch or simply not possible with modern technology?
- In this case they said they bought $2 million worth of ANONYMIZED cellphone geolocation data based off of cell tower pings (and possible some that had their location service on). Location service on is best case scenario and even that can only track a device within a few meters...but cell phone pings are not a reliable method of tracking location at all. This is well proven and essentially that portion of the dataset would be useless. I work in IT and I can tell you this from personal experience, if they try to tell you they gleaned useful info from cell tower ping data, they are absolutely, 100% LYING, which is obviously extremely concerning, given the gravity of the claims they're making and trying to support.
- Additionally, they said they bought anonymized data. But later in the doc they say they filtered out people whose "pattern of life" caused them to frequent the location normally. However, how the hell would they reliably do this if the data they had was anonymized? Especially with these ballot boxes being in already busy areas, there's simply no good way to actually tie a specific person to their anonymized data. Doing so would take hundreds and hundreds of hours of work--not including the supposed investigation into their "pattern of life". I just really struggle to believe that this information, which the entire "documentary" hinges upon, is accurate enough or good enough.
- There is absolutely no evidence of any payments being given to anyone here, which is a key aspect of this conspiracy.

So overall, this entire documentary will not actually provide you with any NEW information regarding this topic. It essentially appears to be almost entirely smoke and mirrors. In my opinion the only people who will consume (and especially pay for) it and believe it are those who already believe the election fraud conspiracy anyway. It is simply meant to play off your confirmation bias.

So if you believe in the election fraud, just go ahead and believe it. But buying this movie is a total waste of your money and watching it is a total waste of your time. It simply is too poorly done to be of any value for anyone.

Let me go ahead and share a well done fact check on the movie: Fact-checking ‘2000 Mules,’ the movie alleging ballot fraud

I wouldn't normally cite Wikipedia, but they do a good job summarizing the fact check: 2000 Mules - Wikipedia

Taken from the article:
"The film presented a single anonymous witness who said she saw people picking up what she "assumed" to be payments for ballot collection in Arizona; no evidence of payments was presented in any of the other four states." (MFAAS: so what? they could only find ONE PERSON who was a "witness"? and the best they could say is that they "assumed" people picked up payments for ballot collection?? LMAO good luck getting that to hold up in court!!)

That is pathetic. If I were asserting widespread multi-state election fraud involving thousands upon thousands of people, I would try to include more than one extremely weak personal anecdote.

There is also absolutely nothing to even link the people he shows in the videos at the ballot boxes to the people in the data set that he tracked via cell tower ping data (which is EXTREMELY INNACURATE).

I'm sorry but there simply isn't any actual legitimate evidence of fraud, aside from the well done investigation/report I shared at the beginning for the post

Back to the article:
"...experts say cellphone location data, even at its most advanced, can only reliably track a smartphone within a few meters — not close enough to know whether someone actually dropped off a ballot or just walked or drove nearby.

“You could use cellular evidence to say this person was in that area, but to say they were at the ballot box, you’re stretching it a lot,” said Aaron Striegel, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Notre Dame. “There’s always a pretty healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.”

What’s more, ballot drop boxes are often intentionally placed in busy areas, such as college campuses, libraries, government buildings and apartment complexes — increasing the likelihood that innocent citizens got caught in the group’s dragnet, Striegel said.

Similarly, there are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone might be visiting both a nonprofit’s office and one of those busy areas. Delivery drivers, postal workers, cab drivers, poll workers and elected officials all have legitimate reasons to cross paths with numerous drop boxes or nonprofits in a given day.

True the Vote has said it filtered out people whose “pattern of life” before the election season included frequenting nonprofit and drop box locations. But that strategy wouldn’t filter out election workers who spend more time at drop boxes during the election season, cab drivers whose daily paths don’t follow a pattern, or people whose routines recently changed.

In some states, in an attempt to bolster its claims, True the Vote also highlighted drop box surveillance footage that showed voters depositing multiple ballots into the boxes. However, there was no way to tell whether those voters were the same people as the ones whose cellphones were anonymously tracked.

A video of a voter dropping off a stack of ballots at a drop box is not itself proof of any wrongdoing, since most states have legal exceptions that let people drop off ballots on behalf of family members and household members.

For example, Larry Campbell, a voter in Michigan who was not featured in the film, told The Associated Press he legally dropped off six ballots in a local drop box in 2020 — one for himself, his wife, and his four adult children. And in Georgia, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger’s office investigated one of the surveillance videos circulated by True the Vote and said it found the man was dropping off ballots for himself and his family."


Best wishes to everyone. I just hate to see people fall victim to such shittily made media as this. The only fraud going on here is this "documentary" and the claims it makes.

Lol, you said The Hill is a right wing news source.

 

[Hughinn]

Lol, you said The Hill is a right wing news source.

Yeah, he lost any credibility right there.

If the hill is a "right wing news source" then CNN is center right.

 

[hijoshiki]

MFAAS is normally level headed and perhaps the video isn't all that great.

Doesn't matter, the ballot boxes have got to go and these idiots running our government have to go asap.

If someone doesn't do something about energy costs we may well be in for a recession until Biden leaves office.

It's now finally starting to occur to folks that the only way to fix this problem of run away inflation is massive layoffs in a long cycle to catch as many people as possible. Cut government spending and drastically raise interest rates, shutting off easy money to basically collapse the system on purpose when all they had to do was let the oil flow like a river and stop with this green energy madness and that would restore consumer confidence.

Nationalism and not capitalism is the only sound choice. When you have a country this big that depends on energy you seize that shit and ramp up production like it was in 2016 to 20 and dump it on the market for pennies on the dollar. And for the love of god you stop foreign spending, don't send a dime overseas and tell the outside world to piss off.

Tinkering around with the market is never a good idea, but messing with energy is disastrous for a country this large.

 

[MFAAS]

Lol, you said The Hill is a right wing news source.

I mean, it leans right. It's not extremist right at all. Definitely nowhere near fox News. I actually think they are a pretty good source of news if you're looking for a more well thought out right wing opinion that has actually been constructed from critical thought and real journalism. I like them because they don't just dismiss the conspiracies thay the far right spews out (seems like there's new ones daily). They actually do investigate them and analyze them, which I think is a much needed thing. Sometimes they are off the rails for me, but they are good journalists.

 

[hijoshiki]

I mean, it leans right. It's not extremist right at all. Definitely nowhere near fox News. I actually think they are a pretty good source of news if you're looking for a more well thought out right wing opinion that has actually been constructed from critical thought and real journalism. I like them because they don't just dismiss the conspiracies thay the far right spews out (seems like there's new ones daily). They actually do investigate them and analyze them, which I think is a much needed thing. Sometimes they are off the rails for me, but they are good journalists.

Conspiracies while many seem nuts aren't always that far from the truth.

Things are often far more complex than what traditional journalism is willing to explore or even what they can due to advertisers not willing to tarnish their image.

Many conspiracies are worthless because they are coming from religious right fucktards, but there are some very important ones that go deep into the human psyche and into those that have great influence on our society.

Was JFK a nut when he talked about secret societies and the small cabal that are trying to destroy the western world before he got his brains blown out?

You could go back to the early 1900's in this country that called out those causing problems all over the world and their arguments are sound and the facts are obvious, but people don't like that stuff because it would mean you'd have to wake up from the zombie like slumber that is encourages you to be like a deer in headlights.

 

[Hughinn]

I mean, it leans right. It's not extremist right at all. Definitely nowhere near fox News. I actually think they are a pretty good source of news if you're looking for a more well thought out right wing opinion that has actually been constructed from critical thought and real journalism. I like them because they don't just dismiss the conspiracies thay the far right spews out (seems like there's new ones daily). They actually do investigate them and analyze them, which I think is a much needed thing. Sometimes they are off the rails for me, but they are good journalists.

More than half of what was called "baseless accusations" "conspiracy theory" etc. By the DNC propoganda networks going back to 2016 turned out to be true.

More and more gets uncovered every day.

"The most secure election in history" is just the latest lie exposed.

As was election fraud in 2020 being a "baseless conspiracy theory". Obviously another lie told daily on the DNC propoganda networks

 

[MR_Midas]

All this will be revealed after a while, as is usually the case based on history. Sooner or later everything that is shrouded in mystery becomes public knowledge.

 

[Zerg]

All this will be revealed after a while, as is usually the case based on history. Sooner or later everything that is shrouded in mystery becomes public knowledge.

Only the winner's write the history

 

[Big_paul]

You would think that maga would have had something concrete that could have been introduced as evidence in the 60+ opportunities they had in court to prove fraud. The fact that they never could is something that can't be disputed.

Where the rubber meets the road, maga doesn't want the truth.

 

[MFAAS]

You would think that maga would have had something concrete that could have been introduced as evidence in the 60+ opportunities they had in court to prove fraud. The fact that they never could is something that can't be disputed.

Where the rubber meets the road, maga doesn't want the truth.

Yeah for real. If there was any actual substance it would've been shown where it matters: in court. The fact of the matter is the court cases were repeatedly laughed at because there was such a pathetic absence of evidence. All the shit like this documentary are simple propaganda, nothing more. They are designed to twist the truth, solidify current supporters opinions and maybe (ideally for them) even form some new supporters out of people who were on the fence, that will be on their side next time around in 2024. It's unfortunate that this happens. It doesn't matter how badly you want to believe trump won and lost due to voter fraud, it simply isn't reality. It is very unfortunate (and scary) so many people aren't willing to accept reality.

 

[Big_paul]

The fact of the matter is the court cases were repeatedly laughed at because there was such a pathetic absence of evidence

They don't care. It's nothing more than an attempted power grab. As if winning the popular vote in only one presidential election so far in this century isn't enough of a concession.

 

[hijoshiki]

They don't care. It's nothing more than an attempted power grab. As if winning the popular vote in only one presidential election so far in this century isn't enough of a concession.

That said the ballots boxes still have to go, it's a weak spot that would appear easy to exploit.

 

[MR_Midas]

Only the winner's write the history

Absolute truth in the end, centuries later, everything will be written who will be the winner. And people, that people, have always died and will die, no matter how cruel it is.

 

[MR_Midas]

Yeah for real. If there was any actual substance it would've been shown where it matters: in court. The fact of the matter is the court cases were repeatedly laughed at because there was such a pathetic absence of evidence. All the shit like this documentary are simple propaganda, nothing more. They are designed to twist the truth, solidify current supporters opinions and maybe (ideally for them) even form some new supporters out of people who were on the fence, that will be on their side next time around in 2024. It's unfortunate that this happens. It doesn't matter how badly you want to believe trump won and lost due to voter fraud, it simply isn't reality. It is very unfortunate (and scary) so many people aren't willing to accept reality.

All these alleged documentaries, such propaganda and farce. And you are right about the fact that people do not want to accept reality. As the saying goes, don't wave your fists after a fight.

 

[Big_paul]

That said the ballots boxes still have to go, it's a weak spot that would appear easy to exploit.

Lol. I was under the impression that paper ballots cast in person were the only acceptable method.

That leaves us with machines. What about those Venezuelan motherfuckers who corrupted voting machines in 2020?

What does a fair election look like to you?

 

[hijoshiki]

Lol. I was under the impression that paper ballots cast in person were the only acceptable method.

That leaves us with machines. What about those Venezuelan motherfuckers who corrupted voting machines in 2020?

What does a fair election look like to you?

Vote in person with ID.

We also need the ability to hold a recall vote anytime we see fit to remove a senile old cocksucker.