21 DAY DNP RUN AND HYPOTHETICAL REBOUND PLAN

[SHARK1]

As I had posted on a previous thread, I am currently running DNP and am on my last week of dosing. I am sharing some ideas on what I plan on doing for the re-bound and would appreciate any input.

Dosing has actually been 500mg ED (not 250mg) and will stay like this until end of cycle in three days.

Starting weight was 201 lbs. and the lightest I have been has so far been ~186 lbs. and can tell I am holding a lot of water.

Diet has been in PSMF fashion and I train fasted.

Training - 3x/week weights (120-190 minutes) and 4x/week cardio (30-60 minutes). Split is based on exercises rather than body parts - day 1 is deadlifts/rows/overhead press, 2 is bench and 3 is leg pressing. These in the 3-5 and 6-8 rep range. Accessory lifts in the 8-10 range after doing the main compound of the day. Strength has been going up.

It will take 8 days after my last dose for DNP in my system to be under 100mg's and yes I have used insulin before.

Weeks 1 and 2: DNP 500mg ED
Week 3: DNP 500mg ED + ECA (current)
Week 4: Off DNP + ECA

Week 5 (Carb-Up Week, starts on a Friday, maintenance is 2,700):

Shake = 75g Carbs with 25g Sugar, 10g Creatine, 2g Taurine, 1g L-Leucine, 1g L-Valine, 1g L-Isoleucine, 200mg ALA

Friday (post-workout am) -
8 oz grape juice (40g carbs)
15iu x Humalog + Shake
50g Whey (Isopure)
350g worth of starchy carbs with lean protein source (chicken breasts)

2-3 hours later -
15iu x Humalog
350 g worth of starchy carbs (probably pasta or rice) with chicken breasts.

2-3 hours later -
15iu x Humalog
350 g worth of starchy carbs with chicken breasts.

Total - As low as possible fats, ~200g protein and ~1,000g carbs

Saturday -
30 mins cardio
~200g protein, 250g carbs, 50g fats

Sunday -
30 mins cardio
~200g protein, 200g carbs, 50g fats

Monday (post-workout am) -
8 oz grape juice (40g carbs)
10iu x Humalog + Shake
50g Whey (Isopure)
150g worth of starchy carbs with lean protein source (chicken breasts)

10iu Humalog with meals 2 and 3 (over 100g carbs, low fat)

Total macros at 200g protein, 350g carbs, 60g fats

Tuesday -
30 mins cardio
~200g protein, ~50g carbs, 70g fats

Wednesday (post-workout am) -
8 oz grape juice (40g carbs)
10IU x Humalog + Shake
50g Whey (Isopure)
150g worth of starchy carbs with lean protein source (chicken breasts)

10iu Humalog with meals 2 and 3 (over 100g carbs, low fat)

Total macros at 200g protein, 350g carbs, 60g fats

Thursday -
30 mins cardio,
~200g protein, ~50g carbs, 70g fats

Friday (post-workout am) -
8 oz grape juice (40g carbs)
10IU x Humalog + Shake,
50g Whey (Isopure)
150g worth of starchy carbs with lean protein source (chicken breasts)

10iu Humalog with meals 2 and 3 (over 100g carbs, low fat)

Total macros at 200g protein, 350g carbs, 60g fats

So basically carbohydrate x insulin breakdown for the carb-up week is as follows

DAY 1
1000g x 45iu (~15g carbs x kg lbm for carb-up)

DAY 2
250g x 0iu

Day 3
250g x 0iu

Day 4
350g x 30iu

Day 5
50g x 0iu

Day 6
350g x 30iu

Day 7
50g x 0iu

Day 8
350g x 30iu

All in all, I appreciate the input. I would be taking a few weeks off before starting another DNP run and would possibly use insulin on workout days during the time-being.

 

[SHARK1]

Bump.

TL;DR:

21 days on DNP, PSMF diet
4th week off to drop water still on PSMF
Start of 5th week with 24-hr carb-up on 1000g carbs and 45iu humalog
Post workout insulin for remainder of week

 

[SHARK1]

This was the initial thread: 12 days into DNP cycle @ 250mg/ED - Temperature

Last dosage taken some days ago, everything has been fine. Still doing cardio and sticking to low carbs, benadryl at night (should have been using it all along).

Weighed in today at 178-179 lbs. from 201 lbs. 3 weeks ago. Do not think I am holding much water anymore but it is just the second day after last dosage so we will see.

Despite lack of replies, I am posting this here in case someone else finds this thread useful.

Temperature still low but feeling fine, 35.9. Need to wait ~8-10 days for mitochondrial uncoupling to stop taking place before I start introducing carbohydrates above 100g on workout days so 6-9 more to go.

Feel free to ask stuff.

 

[D-max]

Sometimes lack of replies is good, especially in a dnp thread here. They used to turn into a mess real quick. Nice to finally see people leave the judgement out and let a guy make a decent log.

 

[SHARK1]

Sometimes lack of replies is good, especially in a dnp thread here. They used to turn into a mess real quick. Nice to finally see people leave the judgement out and let a guy make a decent log.

I could see why though, given the compound, but thanks for posting on here.

Temperature was 36.3 yesterday night, ate some carbs to the sound of 50-60g, weight still in the 180s. Calories are still low but am giving myself some leeway to be gradually increasing them.

In specificity, I was easily 24-26% bf before starting this run, now am 14-16% and will take a break before going on the second and hopefully last run according to my goals.

 

[Flaming Dragon]

I really don't want this to turn into a shietfest of on why you did it. It looks like you got everything covered per your DNP run. If you take this much effort in planing DNP cycle, why can't you do the same say with cardio and diet? You do know that healthy lifestyles required sacrifice and time.. unless you want immediate results and by taking DNP it's your "short-cut" to an upcoming a physique show or life-changing events? What happen once you reach that magical number and you stop taking DNP..Have you read up on rebound of quick weight lost?

Like I said, nothing against DNP... but I see it more of a tool to lose them last lbs before a contest and a simple cardio/diet, and time will do the trick. Heck, I lost 30lbs in 1 year by just watching what I eat and getting my ass on a treadmill!

 

[GearGodess]

If you continue your healthy lifestyle. The diet and training along with cardio then you shouldn't be rebounding. The only time people really do is when they decide to get off track. Then they add weight back on. Use this as your new lifestyle change and continue with it.

As for people thinking it's a quick fix? Not really, you still work your ass off to get where you need to be but in a shorter timeframe.

I do agree that besides diet, training and cardio... dnp is not needed unless you are at that final bit getting ready for a deadline like a show with limited time and really needing a boost. Otherwise avoid dnp.

 

[SHARK1]

I really don't want this to turn into a shietfest of on why you did it. It looks like you got everything covered per your DNP run. If you take this much effort in planing DNP cycle, why can't you do the same say with cardio and diet? You do know that healthy lifestyles required sacrifice and time.. unless you want immediate results and by taking DNP it's your "short-cut" to an upcoming a physique show or life-changing events? What happen once you reach that magical number and you stop taking DNP..Have you read up on rebound of quick weight lost?

Like I said, nothing against DNP... but I see it more of a tool to lose them last lbs before a contest and a simple cardio/diet, and time will do the trick. Heck, I lost 30lbs in 1 year by just watching what I eat and getting my ass on a treadmill!

I have already done it and it took me three months to achieve what I have achieved in three weeks and it was not even that drastic of a change.

I do want immediate results and DNP is thus a 'short-cut' to clean-up, in my particular case, over 2 years worth of having been focused somewhere else. I do not personally think there is anything wrong with that.

Once I reach the magical number I will reverse diet according to my new metabolic set-point and bring myself up to a new maintenance while staying tight. Diminished T3 levels as a result of impaired T4 to T3 conversion are the culprit for people 'rebounding' after a DNP bout...and it takes calories for that to happen, an amount of calories coming from them not bridging their previous eating habits with the ones they should adapt to at a new, much lower bodyfat level.

Perhaps it is more a matter of personal philosophy in regards to the compounds we take and the things we do. To be honest with you, I do not even plan to ever 'bulk' again in my whole life...and if I do, I will not let myself get above 10-12%. This is just my particular case, again, thanks for dropping your opinion and I am glad I could engage in dialogue. Do keep the conversation going if you want.

 

[SHARK1]

If you continue your healthy lifestyle. The diet and training along with cardio then you shouldn't be rebounding. The only time people really do is when they decide to get off track. Then they add weight back on. Use this as your new lifestyle change and continue with it.

As for people thinking it's a quick fix? Not really, you still work your ass off to get where you need to be but in a shorter timeframe.

I do agree that besides diet, training and cardio... dnp is not needed unless you are at that final bit getting ready for a deadline like a show with limited time and really needing a boost. Otherwise avoid dnp.

I agree with you but the cure for obesity seems to have already been found and it is rather 'magical' what this compound can achieve. Avoidance has more to do with preference. Respect the compound, do not up the dosage haphazardly, be patient (and I know it may sound weird coming from someone using DNP, but yes, let it work and be patient).

Issue is that people jumping on this compound could logically display rather desperate personality traits that make them do stupid things. At the end of the day, it does promise to get rid of 0.5 to 1 lb. of fat a day, it takes a certain type of person to want/expect that.

Granted, as you said, I've still had to keep calories well below maintenance, track all my poundages and ensure I am staying at or around my maxes and do cardio on off days, etc.

I simply felt happy for putting in all the work needed knowing it was well amplified by something I was running.

 

[Flaming Dragon]

So you only gave diet and cardio 3 months before jumping on DNP? You do understand the probability of you reverting back to your old habits are greater then those that have been disciplined on their diet and training for 1+ years! But if you feel you got the strength and determination to push thru when DNP can't help you lose anymore weights (there be a point your body will not lose as much-say, as your 1 or 2nd DNP cycle) .. I wish you the best!

 

[SHARK1]

So you only gave diet and cardio 3 months before jumping on DNP? You do understand the probability of you reverting back to your old habits are greater then those that have been disciplined on their diet and training for 1+ years! But if you feel you got the strength and determination to push thru when DNP can't help you lose anymore weights (there be a point your body will not lose as much-say, as your 1 or 2nd DNP cycle) .. I wish you the best!

No, it was a 12 week preparation that I did in the past and thus use as reference when it comes to fat loss/results. I was using clenbuterol as well as AAS. I had also done it a year before that one and used salbutamol, also on AAS. At one point I also experimented with ephedrine and got to sub 10% bodyfat levels via weight-training and diet alone, no AAS.

Yes, I understand it could be common to expect someone to revert to old habits over those that had been disciplined on their diet and training for 1+ years! You are completely correct. You're only wrong though in assuming I haven't already kept strict dietary and training regimes before and/or expecting me to have to do so once again this time around.

Also, there is no evidence whatsoever that the body builds any sort of tolerance or resistance to DNP. That type of thinking often gets people to consider higher dosages and herein lies the danger - in reality 250mg ED for a prolonged period of time will work wonders, 500mg ED depending on personal tolerance is great as well - and there is absolutely no point in using anything above that. Risk vs. reward is not worth it.

Thank you for the best wishes!

 

[GearGodess]

Also, there is no evidence whatsoever that the body builds any sort of tolerance or resistance to DNP. That type of thinking often gets people to consider higher dosages and herein lies the danger - in reality 250mg ED for a prolonged period of time will work wonders, 500mg ED depending on personal tolerance is great as well - and there is absolutely no point in using anything above that. Risk vs. reward is not worth it.

Thank you for the best wishes!

That I have to agree with. I don't know if you seen my dnp log but a girl I work with as well as myself, we ran it for 10 weeks for her and less for me. My point being we worked up to a 300-350mg dose slowly (we started at 100-150mg) and kept it steady before tapering off. I started off with fairly low bf% and she wasn't bad either but between the 2 of us, we reduced bf% by almost 11% combined by going slow.

The only reason I think people feel that they build tolerance and effectiveness is reduced because their bodies adapt to the dose and peaks level out where sides become manageable. Doesn't mean that dnp doesn't work as well.

 

[SHARK1]

That I have to agree with. I don't know if you seen my dnp log but a girl I work with as well as myself, we ran it for 10 weeks for her and less for me. My point being we worked up to a 300-350mg dose slowly (we started at 100-150mg) and kept it steady before tapering off. I started off with fairly low bf% and she wasn't bad either but between the 2 of us, we reduced bf% by almost 11% combined by going slow.

The only reason I think people feel that they build tolerance and effectiveness is reduced because their bodies adapt to the dose and peaks level out where sides become manageable. Doesn't mean that dnp doesn't work as well.

I have not but I will certainly take a look at it. I think more people are used to the whole 'blast' and 'inferno' cycles than taking a 'patient' mindset with the compound but as you've experienced, a steady dosage over a longer time works wonders. It was my first run and I first ever ingested it on a Saturday to test things out. It went well. So next week I did Thursday and Friday to take advantage of my weekend cardio and it went well. A week after that on Thursday, I started the first out of 21 dosages, which is what this log was about.

Thank you for chiming in. A lot of misinformation out there and it is glad to read someone who has taken the time to let the compound work by itself, especially being a female, since most logs/queries on this come from males.

 

[SHARK1]

I rested for over 3 weeks after my first DNP run and remained at 82kg's for the time-being.

Started another run at 500mg ED last Monday and I am following up in case anybody else is interested.

I have been as low as 80kg's so far, eating low calorie and if cravings get heavy I would rely on fructose for the most part...had a 'cheat' meal last Wednesday after having been close to 0 carbs for the previous 3-4 days.

I depleted glycogen a week and a half before starting the run, etc.

Interestingly enough...first run I got absolutely no cravings, this time around they've gotten pretty bad.

Strength has been continually climbing up.

Would say I am 13-14% BF, 1.76-1.78m, 80-82 kgs

 

[SHARK1]

Strength diminished on Deadlifts and Overhead Presses today, have a feeling it'll be the same thing with everything else after this point. We'll see.

 

[SHARK1]

Managed to get measured (bioimpedance) and came at 12,2 % 79,9kg's

So far so good, really trying to get down to 8% so if this next week progresses like this one did, I'll manage to use those 3-4 days residual DNP to get down under 10% after it and look into cycling for a short 6 week burst