Have you used that same batch of tren raws before? I ask bc GSO shouldn't make that sort of difference as evidenced by my pics, talking with other homebrewers, and also speaking with the chefs of a few private UGLs. My best guess as to the reason the color is like that would be severely oxidized raws prior to making the solution or way too much heat, or heat for too long, during the brewing process.
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I wasn't going to post this but with everything I've been reading this morning I decided maybe I should. I pm'd 24k last night with concerns about his test e and had mentionsed the latest post on blood work that came back 4x. A batch which was from November. I ask if there has been any issues with product especially since I have severals vials from that time frame. I did state that I had bloods drawn twice in the past few months but unfortunately they were capped at 1500 even though I did request test level not be capped. Tough in NY to get bloods with doc prescription.
Anyways he responded by stating that it was the FIRST time he's been hearing about this and I should get bloods with uncapped results. He said im welcome to sent product out to be tested. I was giving 24 the benefit of the doubt especially since service and communication has always been excellent. But after reading posts this morning and some other comments lately I am finding it hard to believe this is the first his hearing of this. Hope I'm wrong .
I guess this is one way to slow down on volume.
If you're in NY state but close to PA, VT, CT, or NJ you can try going to a privatemedlabs, labsmd, personalabs, etc location and order your own testing. For uncapped results you'd want a LC/MS testosterone panel.
Yes I researched closest lab and its in CT almost 3'hrs away
my last labs were drawn at the endocrinologist. It was my first visit there and he said he would not cap them but there must of been some miscommunication somewhere. But at least in April I'll be having my test prescibed and bloods done more often
Doc was nice enough to let me finish my cycle before vac at end of month.
Yes I researched closest lab and its in CT almost 3'hrs away
Well if you do go to CT to get the panels done swing by and say hi. Bfast on me.
Sounds like a plan
Fair warning though, I have been known to eat food from other ppl's plates when they're not looking lol.
I usually don't have that problem since I devour food on my plate rather quickly especially lately since I'm cutting
I'm even eating all the crumbs Good morning, please let me clarify. If you check my PM time, it was after I had already addressed the recent blood work done by members. When I specifically said "This is the first time we are hearing about it", I did not mean that your concern was the first time we are hearing about it. What it means is that this recent blood work is the first time we've having blood work results that people are concerned about. Before this, I have had not anyone come to us with issues during the Nov time frame. We did have an individual question the new batches made in MCT oil, but this was in the late Dec time frame.
My reason for addressing this is because it seems that you may have thought I was perhaps ignoring or discrediting the recent blood work. I just wanted to clarify that this is not the case, I am and have been addressing the issues in public as well as in private. I have always been transparent and this situation is no reason to act differently. Again, my assumption and understanding was that you were aware of our current blood work that was recently posted and I am learning of these results more or less at the same time you are. As a result, this is why I said "this is the first time we're hearing about it" - I am learning of the two blood work results the same time you are. I have not hidden any blood work or feedback from that time frame. Rather, one of the results, although lower than what we usually see, I recommended the individual post it publicly for transparency-sake.
On a somewhat related note, I have noticed that when issues do arise there seems to be a level of public hysteria. As mentioned before, I acknowledge that there a general sense of anxiety and untrust of UGLs. Each time we have gone on break, there has been some level of "panic". I am never one to relate causation with correlation, but there seems to be a correlation, even with this shut down. For example, yesterday we had addressed a user who was concerned about our Tren A, this user was also discussing it with other users publicly. My ask to is to remain level-headed and patient. That being said, if you have issues or concerns - please let me know, I am happy to try and address them.
One more issue to address. I have tried to be subtle and heavily imply the reasons why I need the break at this time. If you go back and read my post, it should be apparent of the reason without me having to outright say it. I value privacy and security very highly, so there are some aspects I do not feel comfortable about posting publicly. However, in this situation, I believe that most users may not have read between the lines. The reason for this shutdown during this month is because of my full time job. This month is a deadline heavy month and many customers have already seen the effects it has had on our daily communication during the week. Knowing how busy I will be during this month, I decided to shut down the ordering side of this UGL as I knew communication would be strained during this time.
Hopefully his post clarified some questions.
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@24kpharma hey bro what is your email have a few questions I've seen it on here but idk if its changed….send by PM if necessary thanks
Thank you for your feedback and contribution. Yes, we have a batch with the same raws made with MCT oil that is "normal" looking. As mentioned in a previous post, the GSO had to be used for the recent batch because of USP MCT oil supplier issues. Interesting enough, here are two more pieces of the puzzle. I made a solution of 100mg/mL using the same Tren E and GSO oil and it was the normal yellow/amber color. It is only when I add more powder to increase to 200mg/mL that it gets significantly darker. Furthermore, when the brew was first created it was a similar but slightly darker color than the GSO product picture you provided, but over a few days it progressively got darker. When I make any tren product, I do not use any heat. I simply leave it on a magnetic stirrer for several hours and it dissolves fully without a problem. This one reason why we only do Tren A 100 and Tren E 200, I find that any higher concentrations needs a little bit of heat to fully dissolve all the powder in solution. Although tren can be slightly heated (not like test, where it can be boiled is needed), I prefer to use no heat when brewing. I apologize for not bringing up these points in my earlier post, but I figured that most users would not have a good grasp of what I was discussing, so I left these points out.
It is possible that the raws themselves were oxidized, but the question is does that affect the "purity"? As mentioned, these raws were sent for testing and came back without any issues, so I am wondering if oxidized raws only affect the color? or color and quality? And of course, it could not be an oxidation problem at all. To help answer some of these questions, I mentioned that I plan to have it tested for concentration + contaminants.
Let me know your thoughts, thanks.
Yes, please PM me, thanks
I've seen different colors to tren and even the black like in the pic you posted. I have no concrete info as to why it turns black like that only pet theories. From speaking with a few other long time chefs, tren color can be finicky as hell. Anything from oxidation, heat, carrier oils, solvent amounts, moisture, etc I've been told can affect the final color to various degrees. Ppl I trust have ran tren that was almost crystal clear but not quite all the way to a rusty/amber color and still gotten results so the color doesn't dictate the results. Again, I'm not sure about the black color as to my knowledge nobody ever pinned it to try it or send it in for some sort of testing.
You can use heat with tren without damaging it but obviously the less you have to do the better. Mine at 250mg/ml does take some heat to get into solution. I've tried letting it sit but lost patience after a few hours and I don't have a magnetic stirrer so I would have to swirl it by hand every so often.
Well purity is only determined by your actual a raws and whether they're contaminated with other substances or not. In regards to quality and being biologically active, yes you can have oxidized tren and still get great results from it. I unfortunately don't have any pictures but one of my previous tren batches seemed to crash and it looked like shards of glass or crystal floating around in the oil. I placed the beaker on the stove to heat it back up. Long story short, I left it over moderate heat for way too long and it turned a much much darker color than the pics I posted above. I ran this tren leading into my powerlifting meet and still cut fat, gained muscle and strength, still got the heartburn I normally get from it, got the same trensomnia from it that usualky goes away after 2-3wks, the same night sweats, etc. Do I feel it may have been slightly weaker overall, maybe slightly, but that also could've been placebo or confirmation bias bc I knew I overheated it way tok much and wasn't sure what to expect exactly but if anything I thought it could only be worse not better.
Edit: I'll keep my sarcastic comments to myself. I was only joking. But I do understand that current topic is not anything to joke around with for all party's.
I apologize to @24kpharma and members.
CAswole
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I am awaiting some tren e myself here and am curious on your thoughts if i happen to get this green/black batch. Would u suggest warming it some before use. I have heating pads or thinking about a candle warmer i saw, and for how long would you guess to warm it as to not overdue it like you say you did that one time?
If I were to get the black sludge as I've seen it described I personally wouldn't pin it. 24K seems to want to work with his customers so I would notify him and try to work out an amenable agreement for both parties. If I knew what caused it to be black then maybe I'd try pinning it but who knows what it really is.
If you get some tren that's just crashed you can certainly heat it up to get into solution. A heating pad is fine if you want. I take the vial and partially submerge it in hot water not letting it go cops lately under for as little time as it takes to get back into solution.
When mine turned the dark dark color it was still fine and gave me results. I just left it on directly on an electric stove at ~5-6 heat setting for way too long. I'm talking at least 20-30min maybe more.
CAswole
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Damn I'm going to get a clearer batch. W shall c. Either way i think my man 24k will make it right. He's been good thus far. Fingers crossed... Thx for the advice.
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Meant to say 'hoping' to get a clearer batch. Damn auto correct
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