26 year old first cycle

[lukiss96]

@Spaceman Spiff @lukiss96 You were right my blood pressure came down to 128/60.

However I need your advice again. The past few days I noticed when I take my socks off there is a weird indent in my skin. My skin seems to have a film over it, like my veins are not visible like usual. Also, all my erections (including morning wood) are soft. My libido is still there just cant keep it up (past 2 days). Also my nipples are larger and have pains under them.

I got a bloods done today (1 week into cycle) the female hormone panel from labsmd. I figured better to get them more frequently than too little. Should I take 20 mg nolva until my bloods come back in 4-5 days incase my intuition is correct that my e2 is high? Or is that a dumb idea? I am injecting 100mg eod, tonight is my next injection,

Thanks

Like @Spaceman Spiff said. What's important is that you know e2 before introducing AI.

Nolva is really a breast cancer medication, so by the name of it you can understand what it kinda does. It's a serm, not an ai. So don't expect it to help much outside of managing gyno symptons.

If you feel like you're developing gyno even though it's a bit too soon, you can take tamoxifen as a preventative measure. If that's your only issue it would be enough.

Using nolva to "zap" gyno is a good way of using it. Nolva will occupy breast receptors, preventing gyno. While anastrozole/exemestane will lover serum e2.

 

[Anonymous#1]

Don't take anything for few weeks, let your body get used to it. Personally I would lower dosage to 200mg(100mg x2) a week for 2 weeks and see how your body reacts. Than once things settle add another 100mg a week.

 

[99people99]

@lukiss96 So my feeling was correct. This was drawn 7 days into the cycle. (3 injections at 100 mg eod).

Am I a high converter? What would you guys recommend a good starting point to be in dialing in this e2? I pin eod. So far I took @Spaceman Spiff 's advice and took 12.5 mg aromasin with my last pin and feel much better. Should I dose 12.5 mg eod or will this most likely crash my estrogen?

 

[UncleBuns]

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@lukiss96 So my feeling was correct. This was drawn 7 days into the cycle. (3 injections at 100 mg eod).

Am I a high converter? What would you guys recommend a good starting point to be in dialing in this e2? I pin eod. So far I took @Spaceman Spiff 's advice and took 12.5 mg aromasin with my last pin and feel much better. Should I dose 12.5 mg eod or will this most likely crash my estrogen?

Take down notes of your symptoms right now from the high estrogen because that information can be very helpful. Blood work is ideal but most of us aren't going to get blood drawn every week or every other week. So knowing how your body reacts to high estrogen can be really good information. At this point I know the physical, mental, and emotional signs and symptoms when my estro is high or low. I still do blood work to know for sure, but because I have paid attention for a while I can go off of my signs and symptoms and be pretty darn accurate with my dosing of AI.

Personally, I would start taking 12.5 mg of the exemastane twice per week evenly spaced. I would pay attention to how my body was reacting and if I was feeling good on that I would get just E2 drawn again at some point to see where it's at. You may need 12.5 mg three times a week, but I would start it twice a week.

A common mistake is to take too much AI and honestly for me and many guys low E2 is fucking horrible. Don't freak out man. You're not going to get gyno overnight and a common mistake is to slam AI, get low e2, and then take more test to bounce back up from low e2 and then you're just on a roller coaster.

Take 12.5 mg now and then continue 12.5mg 2x per week. Relax and pay attention to how it's affecting you and if you're feeling good in the water retention comes down and your nipples aren't sensitive then you're probably good to go. That dosing should take the edge off. After a couple weeks reassess.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

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@lukiss96 So my feeling was correct. This was drawn 7 days into the cycle. (3 injections at 100 mg eod).

Am I a high converter? What would you guys recommend a good starting point to be in dialing in this e2? I pin eod. So far I took @Spaceman Spiff 's advice and took 12.5 mg aromasin with my last pin and feel much better. Should I dose 12.5 mg eod or will this most likely crash my estrogen?

Every 3-4 days of 12.5mg again would be good.

I wouldn't say a high converter but maybe just sensitive to e2.


Would need to see your testosterone to compare for conversion.

 

[Anonymous#1]

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@lukiss96 So my feeling was correct. This was drawn 7 days into the cycle. (3 injections at 100 mg eod).

Am I a high converter? What would you guys recommend a good starting point to be in dialing in this e2? I pin eod. So far I took @Spaceman Spiff 's advice and took 12.5 mg aromasin with my last pin and feel much better. Should I dose 12.5 mg eod or will this most likely crash my estrogen?

What was your total t and free t at? My recent blood work had me at 3130 total t and 122 estrogen.(400mg a week) I'm very surprised people are advising you to take ai this early. Your testosterone level will be way higher than normal so it makes sense that your estrogen will be higher and not in normal range too.

 

[Pulpfiction]

Take down notes of your symptoms right now from the high estrogen because that information can be very helpful. Blood work is ideal but most of us aren't going to get blood drawn every week or every other week. So knowing how your body reacts to high estrogen can be really good information. At this point I know the physical, mental, and emotional signs and symptoms when my estro is high or low. I still do blood work to know for sure, but because I have paid attention for a while I can go off of my signs and symptoms and be pretty darn accurate with my dosing of AI.

Personally, I would start taking 12.5 mg of the exemastane twice per week evenly spaced. I would pay attention to how my body was reacting and if I was feeling good on that I would get just E2 drawn again at some point to see where it's at. You may need 12.5 mg three times a week, but I would start it twice a week.

A common mistake is to take too much AI and honestly for me and many guys low E2 is fucking horrible. Don't freak out man. You're not going to get gyno overnight and a common mistake is to slam AI, get low e2, and then take more test to bounce back up from low e2 and then you're just on a roller coaster.

Take 12.5 mg now and then continue 12.5mg 2x per week. Relax and pay attention to how it's affecting you and if you're feeling good in the water retention comes down and your nipples aren't sensitive then you're probably good to go. That dosing should take the edge off. After a couple weeks reassess.

This is really good advice right here. This is exactly what I did. After 13 years of running gear I know how my body feels when I have high estrogen. I get very emotional, hold a ton of water, and then my nips start to get sensitive and burn. At that point is when I take nolva to get rid of the symptoms and then I drop my dose of gear down. Typically that doesn’t happen anymore because I have my ai dosage spot on. It took years to dial it in correctly but with my bloods now it shows that the e1 or e2 are staying at bay, not out of range.

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[JackHoffman]

I've heard test is pretty disappointing as a first cycle even at 500mg and it is better to throw an oral in there like 50mg anavar for 4-8 weeks just to at least get the feeling of being on steroids. I'm basically contemplating 250/w or 500/w test and was originally kind of more interested in TRT but I think I'm just going to cruise on a 250 dose after I experiment a little more first like 500 mg a week and if that seems like nothing is happening then I'll try like some anavar.

How long should it take to really know what is going on with my first dose anyway? Like 2-3 months?

 

[Pulpfiction]

I've heard test is pretty disappointing as a first cycle even at 500mg and it is better to throw an oral in there like 50mg anavar for 4-8 weeks just to at least get the feeling of being on steroids. I'm basically contemplating 250/w or 500/w test and was originally kind of more interested in TRT but I think I'm just going to cruise on a 250 dose after I experiment a little more first like 500 mg a week and if that seems like nothing is happening then I'll try like some anavar.

How long should it take to really know what is going on with my first dose anyway? Like 2-3 months?

Yea but the main reason you aren’t running mulitple compounds at first is to be able to tell how each compound reacts within your body. Trust me, my very first cycle I ran test 400 2x a week. So 800 weekly. I felt nearly invincible. Strength through the roof. Or I mean at the time it felt like that. It’s not like a euphoric feeling that’s not how test works. I would say an overall feeling of wellbeing, but usually after 3 weeks you should be able to tell significantly what benefits you’re reaping.

 

[Mishka]

best initial situation, great conditioning, I bet you will look awesome on roids

 

[lukiss96]

I've heard test is pretty disappointing as a first cycle even at 500mg and it is better to throw an oral in there like 50mg anavar for 4-8 weeks just to at least get the feeling of being on steroids. I'm basically contemplating 250/w or 500/w test and was originally kind of more interested in TRT but I think I'm just going to cruise on a 250 dose after I experiment a little more first like 500 mg a week and if that seems like nothing is happening then I'll try like some anavar.

How long should it take to really know what is going on with my first dose anyway? Like 2-3 months?

Dissapointing because most young guys lack discipline and knowledge when it comes to diet and training. No amount of steroids gonna fix that shit.

 

[Lculebra]

Es un muy buen ciclo para empezar, muy sensato de su parte, sólo puedo sugerir que HCG no es necesario para este tipo de ciclo, Nolvadex es más que suficiente para PCT.

 

[sushak]

Any updates on your cycle? Progress pics?

 

[Mongo966]

I've heard test is pretty disappointing as a first cycle even at 500mg and it is better to throw an oral in there like 50mg anavar for 4-8 weeks just to at least get the feeling of being on steroids. I'm basically contemplating 250/w or 500/w test and was originally kind of more interested in TRT but I think I'm just going to cruise on a 250 dose after I experiment a little more first like 500 mg a week and if that seems like nothing is happening then I'll try like some anavar.

How long should it take to really know what is going on with my first dose anyway? Like 2-3 months?

Disappointing compared to what? Being natural?
500mg test is plenty for most people.
PLENTY.

 

[laclark89]

Yes, I have baseline bloodwork. Everything is perfect except I have chronic
low total (121 ng/dl) and free test (2.2 pg/ml), and t3 (50 ng/dl) for 2 years now. I attribute it to the amount I train and dieting year round. Also being low body fat.

Thank

Chronic low t 121 mg/dl?
No one think that's highly sus for a natty young dude?

Are You sure u havent done some dumb sarm cycles or oral only that shut u down, that ur not coping too?

After over working myself and crash dieting my natty low t was 290 in my 30's plenty low enough for trt.

But if your serious I would run 4-500 test cycle see where your at Then mabe 500 test 250 mast cycle.

 

[99people99]

Chronic low t 121 mg/dl?
No one think that's highly sus for a natty young dude?

Are You sure u havent done some dumb sarm cycles or oral only that shut u down, that ur not coping too?

After over working myself and crash dieting my natty low t was 290 in my 30's plenty low enough for trt.

But if your serious I would run 4-500 test cycle see where your at Then mabe 500 test 250 mast cycle.

I had anorexia for years (started around 14 ended last year after I got help) and it ruined my body on an hormonal level. My t4/t3 still isn’t considered “normal” as of last weeks bloodwork despite the fact that I have been eating 500 grams of carbs daily on this cycle for almost two months now.

I have never done peds before this cycle. I have been apart of a local bodybuilding gym, dieting, training & wrestling since I was 14. I just never tried to bulk for obvious reasons.

The first picture is me at 14 years old. I have been cutting weight for wrestling and on and off for bodybuilding/my ed basically my whole life. So I don’t think it’s sus my body is a little out of wack from that.

@sushak The cycle is going well though I have gained about 20 pounds of mass. No side effects. I am gaining 2-3 pounds a week. I am 8 weeks in.

Uploaded a few progress pics. I know I am lacking in a lot of areas but this is my first true growth/bulk phase. I have never tried to put on weight before in my life. I actually enjoy it a lot. My goal is 40-50 more pounds of mass over the next few years.

 

[4Drago]

Dude I looked and weighed the same as you when I was in the 10th grade. If you honestly have never taken gear then why (you look great)? My point is you can naturally gain large amounts of muscle naturally if that's your body truelly gear free.
With a simple increase in calories and intensity of training, ppl technique, and good recovery times, you could be over 200lbs natural.
My natural limit is about 220lbs before gear. So why jump on the gear train? I'd wait until you have hit your genetic max first. That's just me.

 

[laclark89]

Dude I looked and weighed the same as you when I was in the 10th grade. If you honestly have never taken gear then why (you look great)? My point is you can naturally gain large amounts of muscle naturally if that's your body truelly gear free.
With a simple increase in calories and intensity of training, ppl technique, you could be over 200lbs natural.
My natural limit is about 220lbs before gear. So why jump on the gear train?

His natty test is 121. He does need alot of food,
But those levels are not healthy. I wouldent be able to get a erection.

 

[4Drago]

His natty test is 121. He does need alot of food,
But those levels are not healthy. I wouldent be able to get a erection.

Then I doubt he has never done a cycle. If he's being completely honest then fuck just do trt. My gut tells me he started gear way too young.
I remember it sucking being a ripped teen at 160lbs. Because no one could tell I worked out unless I wore a tank top or shirt was off.

I was tired of not making gains so I change my training and diet. I ate what I wanted and more of it and only trained 3-4 days a week, ppl. In less then 6mths I was 200lbs but had about 15% bf which seems to be my minimum fat levels to gain muscle mass natural.

But those natural days ended at 22. I did only one real ( other cycles where fake shit) cycle and shot to 224lbs.
Took a 15-16 year break because i entered the military. After recovering I went back to 220 and pretty lean. I had to do a starvation diet to get into the military. Dropped to 194lbs which was the max weight I could be to enter. It was funny growing to 224 in Basic training while everyone else was getting smaller (leaner).

 

[4Drago]

His natty test is 121. He does need alot of food,
But those levels are not healthy. I wouldent be able to get a erection.

In basic training we had to weigh in every so many weeks. We weren't allowed to talk during weigh ins. I remember jumping on the scale in just boxers and my military training instructor would grab the 150lbs ballast then try to dialing in my weight. He made me get off the scale 3 times while he made adjustments then had me jump back on. Remember we weren't allowed to talk. So, after 3 times of doing this I just reached over and grabbed the 200lbs ballast and moved it over. He gave me a dumb look but then dialed me in at 224lbs.

You should have seen the look on his face. It was hilarious. They had to use calipers to prove I wasn't fat. Then I had to fill out some paperwork, basically getting a waiver stating my bf% was only 15% so I was allowed to stay in. My military training instructor and his supervisor asked me if I was taking steroids. I volunteered to be tested. I was very surprised to see my natural test was about 700. Back then steriod test were expensive as shit and had to be sent off to some Olympic testing place.

I'm not sure why but I never looked 224lbs more like 190. My young mind just thought I had heavy bones or something.