2nd Cycle help a brother up

[SinbadKing]

25 yrs old, 193lbs 5'8 ft. Body fat % roughly 20-25%. I'm trying to gain a decent muscle mass and strength. I ran my first cycle last year of July. Test E 500mg/wk and did PCT after 3 weeks end of cycle. I'm open for any suggestions.

Weeks 1-6 NPP 300mg/wk
weeks 1-10 Test E 500mg/wk
weeks 1-10 Armidex .25mg EOD

PCT after 3 weeks end of cycle
Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolvadex
40/30/20/20

 

[KetoMuscles]

That’s too short a run for the npp. Why not run it all the way through? And maybe at 12-14wks.
Also, how were your gains the first time?
Was your diet and work outs on point?Why not just do another test only?
Did you have estro issues last time? Why the ai right from the get go?
If you had issues (or even if you didn’t) why not drop to 400mg test and add the npp?

 

[Oldschool]

That’s too short a run for the npp. Why not run it all the way through? And maybe at 12-14wks.
Also, how were your gains the first time?
Was your diet and work outs on point?Why not just do another test only?
Did you have estro issues last time? Why the ai right from the get go?
If you had issues (or even if you didn’t) why not drop to 400mg test and add the npp?

Damn you asked more questions than the op did. Lol.

Hey Sinbad. Just up your test this round. You are young and have plenty of time for additional compounds later on. Use bloodwork to determine your e2 levels to guide your adex usage/dosage.

 

[SinbadKing]

That’s too short a run for the npp. Why not run it all the way through? And maybe at 12-14wks.
Also, how were your gains the first time?
Was your diet and work outs on point?Why not just do another test only?
Did you have estro issues last time? Why the ai right from the get go?
If you had issues (or even if you didn’t) why not drop to 400mg test and add the npp?

I was actually thinking of doing that as well. My gain was good pretty descent i've gained. My diet was good and so as my work out as well. I want a little more boost. I didn't have an estro issues until the last 3 weeks of the cycle which I had to take an AI. What was your cycle like? Why do you recommend adding more NPP and reducing the Test E.

 

[SinbadKing]

Damn you asked more questions than the op did. Lol.

Hey Sinbad. Just up your test this round. You are young and have plenty of time for additional compounds later on. Use bloodwork to determine your e2 levels to guide your adex usage/dosage.

Yeah I also had thoughts of increasing my test but I kinda want a little boost on packing muscle. Also I live in Canada my doctor would probably questioned me hard about it lol

 

[Oldschool]

Yeah I also had thoughts of increasing my test but I kinda want a little boost on packing muscle.

More clean food???

 

[KetoMuscles]

I wasn’t implying you up the npp.
It seems like everyone wants to make their next cycle bigger then their last. Adding a second compound already increases your total dose so why not lower the test a bit. Total is greater and there’s room to add next time. Always play the long game. Plus by lowering the test you lower the potential for sides.
I’ve done a fair bit of reading and there’s a belief that 300 npp is all you should ever need to add.
I’m an advocate of Minimum Effective Dose. Do as little as possible to achieve the desired outcome. At 25yes old you have plenty of time to be patient and make progress.

 

[SinbadKing]

More clean food???

Here's my diet like

Breakfast
A pair of whole grain bread with peanut butter with nuts
2 large eggs
1/3 cup of oatmeal
Spinach

Home made shake:I drink half in the morning and half on the afternoon
1 scoop of protein shake
1/3 cup of oatmeal
handful of almonds
banana
4 tbs of peanut butter


My lunch and dinner chicken breast, steak, veggies and 1.5 cups of rice


This pretty clean I think LOL

 

[SinbadKing]

I wasn’t implying you up the npp.
It seems like everyone wants to make their next cycle bigger then their last. Adding a second compound already increases your total dose so why not lower the test a bit. Total is greater and there’s room to add next time. Always play the long game. Plus by lowering the test you lower the potential for sides.
I’ve done a fair bit of reading and there’s a belief that 300 npp is all you should ever need to add.
I’m an advocate of Minimum Effective Dose. Do as little as possible to achieve the desired outcome. At 25yes old you have plenty of time to be patient and make progress.

Yeah I could definitely decrease my Test E to 400 and stay 300 NPP. What's your recommendation for my cycle? What would be my AI and PCT dosage would be like.

 

[KetoMuscles]

Personally, I’m looking at starting a run in Oct. it will be 357mg Test C and 214mg NPP/wk for 14wks. I have aromasin on hand but do not plan on using any unless the need arises.
For my pct I have Nolva 40/20/20/20 and asin 12.5eod that I’ll start just after the second week after last pin.
I’ll use hcg wks 3-15.
Oh ya, I also have some var I may add 40mg/day for 7 weeks and 60mg the last week wks 7-14.
Keep in mind I’m not an expert. This will be my 3rd cycle. I’m sure some more experienced dudes will suggest something different.

 

[Oldschool]

Here's my diet like

Breakfast
A pair of whole grain bread with peanut butter with nuts
2 large eggs
1/3 cup of oatmeal
Spinach

Home made shake:I drink half in the morning and half on the afternoon
1 scoop of protein shake
1/3 cup of oatmeal
handful of almonds
banana
4 tbs of peanut butter


My lunch and dinner chicken breast, steak, veggies and 1.5 cups of rice


This pretty clean I think LOL

You missed the more part. Lol

 

[johntt44]

Here's my diet like

Breakfast
A pair of whole grain bread with peanut butter with nuts
2 large eggs
1/3 cup of oatmeal
Spinach

Home made shake:I drink half in the morning and half on the afternoon
1 scoop of protein shake
1/3 cup of oatmeal
handful of almonds
banana
4 tbs of peanut butter


My lunch and dinner chicken breast, steak, veggies and 1.5 cups of rice


This pretty clean I think LOL

That's like half of what I eat when I'm NOT trying to gain weight, reall?

 

[johntt44]

Your maintenance calories are 3248 you should be eating 500 above that to gain weight. Your diet right now is maybe 2000 at most.

 

[FourOneDeuxFitt]

As the other guys have said definitely need to up your calories bud. I’d keep the test at 400 and pin 125mg if NPP Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Not sure which AI your planning on using but normally for myself personally I don’t start using an AI until around week 4-5. Arimidex for instance I start at 1mg every 3 days and adjust accordingly from there.

 

[SinbadKing]

Your maintenance calories are 3248 you should be eating 500 above that to gain weight. Your diet right now is maybe 2000 at most.

Whats your diet consist of? If you dont mind sharing it with me. I would appreciate that.

 

[SinbadKing]

As the other guys have said definitely need to up your calories bud. I’d keep the test at 400 and pin 125mg if NPP Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Not sure which AI your planning on using but normally for myself personally I don’t start using an AI until around week 4-5. Arimidex for instance I start at 1mg every 3 days and adjust accordingly from there.

I'll definitely put that on my notes. I really appreciate your inputs. What do you usually recommend for people doing their 2nd cycle?

 

[Worf]

You need more cals to grow. If youre trying to cut you need to up the protein , Start doing that NOW not when you start a cycle. Youll probably need to go even higher when youre on. Probably be fine with just another test cycle unless youre goin to run low nandrolone for joints.

your macros should be something like this: c/p/f 300/250/80
this is a good starting point for maintenance and you can adjust as needed. yeilds a bit less than 3k cals a day

 

[SinbadKing]

You need more cals to grow. If youre trying to cut you need to up the protein , Start doing that NOW not when you start a cycle. Youll probably need to go even higher when youre on. Probably be fine with just another test cycle unless youre goin to run low nandrolone for joints.

your macros should be something like this: c/p/f 300/250/80
this is a good starting point for maintenance and you can adjust as needed. yeilds a bit less than 3k cals a day

Thank you for your input. I’d keep that in mind. I’ll probably just use Test again for my next cycle.