32, going on TRT

[DustMan]

Hey everyone

Love the forum so far, I'm purchasing a microwave soon just so I can have popcorn while reading the threads here.

I'm living in Germany and I recently purchased some Fulmen's test E, I've got a bio electrical impedance scale, and I'll be doing pre and 6 week bloods using the 48 +/- 12 protocol here on Meso, and documenting the whole thing.

I don't actually feel super secure with the Fulmen purchase, but my jesus does it take weeks to fully vet a source / brand... I spent a month vetting Dragon Pharma just to see them get pulled off Ashop suddenly, apparently ownership changed? Slim chance of the quality being as good as it was, they had great reviews on Anabolic Labs, that's why I was going to go with them.

Fulmen is pretty new, so I know I'm taking a risk, but Hilma has shit reviews and Deus only has amps, since I'm only doing TRT dosages I don't want the oil getting contaminated in the open ampules, so it's gotta be a vial. Here in Germany that leaves me with Fulmen. In the future I'm considering brewing my own gear from raws.

I'm gonna post the whole journey here and on steroids.com forum, I know not to mention anything about the stealth packaging or dates. Looking forward to help vet a brand/source, and looking forward to participating with you guys.

Oh and if you know how to get cheap bloods in Germany please let me know... my Deutsch is shit, and my Doctor wants to charge me 20 euro PER TEST... there has got to be a cheaper way.

Thanks

 

[CaterpillarTom]

Welcome- I am a newbie too so showing some love - my post is a few behind yours in the new members thread. I'm in the states so I have an easier time sourcing but will also need to be doing this kind of research since I am paranoid. Good luck!! ^__^

 

[DustMan]

Hey dude. It's good to be paranoid in the states since it's illegal, make sure whoever you go with has good stealth packaging!

 

[The Terminator]

Welcome...You can get sterile vials and transfer the contents of the amps to the vials. Also depending on how thorough the blood tests are, if it has everything necessary then €20 is pretty good. Here it’s ~$70 to get the most basic blood test if buying it on your own.

 

[teejey]

Good luck managing trt with ugl gear is a roller coaster ride.

 

[DustMan]

Sorry I wasn't clear, it's 20 euro per individual test. So like...

Total Test: 20euro
Free Test: 20euro
E2: 20euro
PSA: 10euro (first ones free)
HDL: 10euro (first ones free)
LDL: 10euro (first ones free)

So it's probably around 100 euro every time I go in for bloods.

@TeeJay: Yeah I know what I'm in for, that's why brewing my own from raws is an idea, otherwise maybe I have to switch to pharma grade. If you know a good source for pharma grade that delivers to Germany please tell me, I'll go read the first couple hundred pages of their thread here on Meso, seems to be the best way to initially vet something as far as I can tell.

@The Terminator: Someone else told me that too, that might be a good idea for my next run if I go pharma grade. Thanks.

 

[Test_Subject]

Hey everyone

Love the forum so far, I'm purchasing a microwave soon just so I can have popcorn while reading the threads here.

I'm living in Germany and I recently purchased some Fulmen's test E, I've got a bio electrical impedance scale, and I'll be doing pre and 6 week bloods using the 48 +/- 12 protocol here on Meso, and documenting the whole thing.

I don't actually feel super secure with the Fulmen purchase, but my jesus does it take weeks to fully vet a source / brand... I spent a month vetting Dragon Pharma just to see them get pulled off Ashop suddenly, apparently ownership changed? Slim chance of the quality being as good as it was, they had great reviews on Anabolic Labs, that's why I was going to go with them.

Fulmen is pretty new, so I know I'm taking a risk, but Hilma has shit reviews and Deus only has amps, since I'm only doing TRT dosages I don't want the oil getting contaminated in the open ampules, so it's gotta be a vial. Here in Germany that leaves me with Fulmen. In the future I'm considering brewing my own gear from raws.

I'm gonna post the whole journey here and on steroids.com forum, I know not to mention anything about the stealth packaging or dates. Looking forward to help vet a brand/source, and looking forward to participating with you guys.

Oh and if you know how to get cheap bloods in Germany please let me know... my Deutsch is shit, and my Doctor wants to charge me 20 euro PER TEST... there has got to be a cheaper way.

Thanks

If you go on doctor-prescribed TRT the tests should be covered. Why not just go that route?

I'm assuming that your test levels are low enough to warrant a prescription if you're even considering TRT. Is there a reason that you're using black market steroids instead?

 

[DustMan]

If you go on doctor-prescribed TRT the tests should be covered. Why not just go that route?

I'm assuming that your test levels are low enough to warrant a prescription if you're even considering TRT. Is there a reason that you're using black market steroids instead?

Tried getting Doctor support for the last 10 years, tried dozens of different GP's and endo's / uro's, no one is willing to help me. It's not like the states.

I'm not actually Hypo, last test came back 319 ng/dL, one before that was 298. My FSH always comes back at 1.5 or under, which is hypo, but it doesn't matter, they always say the same thing "You're too young" or "There are too many side effects", wouldn't even give me clomid or let me test the gels.

I had my test levels done when I was 19 as part of a physical before becoming a boxer, I was 560 ng/dL. At 21 I did a long cycle with some ridiculous amount of test, close to a gram a week of sustenon, half a gram of deca, lots of dbol and anadrol, ever since my test levels have been halved, had depression, fatique, ED, so after 10 years of trying to get help from Doctors I'm taking it into my own hands.

I clearly remember what I felt like before I went on my first cycle, and what I felt like on the cycle, I'm ready to feel good again. I've already got the diet and training locked down, should be all up from here.

 

[The Terminator]

If you go on doctor-prescribed TRT the tests should be covered. Why not just go that route?

I'm assuming that your test levels are low enough to warrant a prescription if you're even considering TRT. Is there a reason that you're using black market steroids instead?

Pretty sure they aren’t as loose with the trt prescriptions in Western Europe as they are in the US.

 

[RunTrenFckTens]

Tried getting Doctor support for the last 10 years, tried dozens of different GP's and endo's / uro's, no one is willing to help me. It's not like the states.

I'm not actually Hypo, last test came back 319 ng/dL, one before that was 298. My FSH always comes back at 1.5 or under, which is hypo, but it doesn't matter, they always say the same thing "You're too young" or "There are too many side effects", wouldn't even give me clomid or let me test the gels.

I had my test levels done when I was 19 as part of a physical before becoming a boxer, I was 560 ng/dL. At 21 I did a long cycle with some ridiculous amount of test, close to a gram a week of sustenon, half a gram of deca, lots of dbol and anadrol, ever since my test levels have been halved, had depression, fatique, ED, so after 10 years of trying to get help from Doctors I'm taking it into my own hands.

I clearly remember what I felt like before I went on my first cycle, and what I felt like on the cycle, I'm ready to feel good again. I've already got the diet and training locked down, should be all up from here.

Did you PCT after that lol?

 

[Test_Subject]

Tried getting Doctor support for the last 10 years, tried dozens of different GP's and endo's / uro's, no one is willing to help me. It's not like the states.

I'm not actually Hypo, last test came back 319 ng/dL, one before that was 298. My FSH always comes back at 1.5 or under, which is hypo, but it doesn't matter, they always say the same thing "You're too young" or "There are too many side effects", wouldn't even give me clomid or let me test the gels.

I had my test levels done when I was 19 as part of a physical before becoming a boxer, I was 560 ng/dL. At 21 I did a long cycle with some ridiculous amount of test, close to a gram a week of sustenon, half a gram of deca, lots of dbol and anadrol, ever since my test levels have been halved, had depression, fatique, ED, so after 10 years of trying to get help from Doctors I'm taking it into my own hands.

I clearly remember what I felt like before I went on my first cycle, and what I felt like on the cycle, I'm ready to feel good again. I've already got the diet and training locked down, should be all up from here.

That's fair. It's not likely to work, but have you tried Scally's power PCT protocol?

It's worth a shot and beats a lifetime of needles.

 

[DustMan]

Did you PCT after that lol?

Nope. We were a whole bunch of young dumb shits back then.

 

[DustMan]

That's fair. It's not likely to work, but have you tried Scally's power PCT protocol?

It's worth a shot and beats a lifetime of needles.

I read up on it yup, clomid+nolva+hcg. I spent a lot of time thinking about weather I was ready to do 104 needles a year, and I'm perfectly fine with it. But thank you for the advice.

Probably do the first shot tomorrow, going in for my pre bloods today.

 

[LunkAlarm]

Good luck managing trt with ugl gear is a roller coaster ride.

Well fuck! That's exactly what brought me here.

 

[DustMan]

Well fuck! That's exactly what brought me here.

No one needs their T levels at an exact dot, if you have access to a long time trustworthy UGL you will probably be fine. The dose to serum testosterone levels is fairly precise, and it's easy to land in the reference range.

Reference range is roughly 300-1100ng/dl. 50mg of TestE twice a week will give you between 800-1000ng/dl according to studies, if you go to AnabolicLabs you'll see it's really rare for anything to be dosed more than 10% incorrectly, let alone TestE or TestC, which is almost always within 5% of the stated dosage. So if you "accidentally" get 55mg or 45mg per dose, it's not going to blow you out of the reference range, and probably won't take you out of your preferred range either.

If you're really sensitive and need a specific range you can get tested once or twice more than with pharma just to make sure you've dialed in that preferred range, but again, TestE and TestC don't measure more than 5% outside of stated dosages on average with trusted UGL's.

 

[rated_rko]

i started at 32, had low t symptoms in my late 20s 29/30
so once i got a good doc took about 8 months to dial me in.

 

[DustMan]

i started at 32, had low t symptoms in my late 20s 29/30
so once i got a good doc took about 8 months to dial me in.

Nice, so we're in a similar situation. Now that you're dialed in how much test are you using? Are you using an AI or any other compounds?

 

[LunkAlarm]

No one needs their T levels at an exact dot, if you have access to a long time trustworthy UGL you will probably be fine. The dose to serum testosterone levels is fairly precise, and it's easy to land in the reference range.

Reference range is roughly 300-1100ng/dl. 50mg of TestE twice a week will give you between 800-1000ng/dl according to studies, if you go to AnabolicLabs you'll see it's really rare for anything to be dosed more than 10% incorrectly, let alone TestE or TestC, which is almost always within 5% of the stated dosage. So if you "accidentally" get 55mg or 45mg per dose, it's not going to blow you out of the reference range, and probably won't take you out of your preferred range either.

If you're really sensitive and need a specific range you can get tested once or twice more than with pharma just to make sure you've dialed in that preferred range, but again, TestE and TestC don't measure more than 5% outside of stated dosages on average with trusted UGL's.

That's reassuring! Especially as I'm still in the process of getting dialed in.