3rd Cycle Advice

[mandroid]

Hi guys, ive been a 'lurker' for many years now and have taken some really helpful advice from this site. Once more i find myself needing your opinions but first here are my stats:
Age:25
Height: 6 Foot
Weight: 205 pounds ~ roughly 14.7 stone
Body fat: 12%, if the machine in the gym is accurate.

I have previously ran 2 cycles; one of test e for ten weeks, from this i made some good gains but more importantly gained knowledge of how it would effect me personally and then ran a second cycle of test e and deca for ten weeks again taking good results.

I am looking to bulk and i am looking to use test e and tren e as i want to try to minimize the bloat effect and ive heard the tren will up my strength very well. My first question is dosage,i was going to run 600mg of test e/ week and 400mg of tren e/week but have seen elsewhere in forums that this is low, i prefer to go all out with diet and training to get results rather than fill myself up with juice. Even more so as this is my first time with tren and i have heard all the horror stories, ( i know running tren ace would be a better option as if any sides became too much the shorter active life would make it easier to come off but i cant face pinning every other day).

I know that test and tren will be a bit of a slow burner and was thinking about sarting things off with some dbol which i hope would pile some weight on in the early weeks, but then when i stop (week 4 of 10) as i run the rest of the cycle the tren will harden the muscle giving lean gains rather than a bloat.

So there it is, ive spent hours reading the facts and how to counter the bloat, the cons/pros of tren but now i would greatly appreciate your opinions.

 

[ironwill1951]

600 test and 400 tren is a good cycle , eat clean and up your cals and you should see great results , don't forget pct .

 

[Northern Nutrition]

I agree with Ironwill.

However, you can also make this cycle a little easier on yourself by simply using 2ml of each per week, if using long esters. In other words, 500mg each of test and tren. Keep it simple and dial in your diet to reflect your goals. And run it out to 12 weeks for max benefit - let these long esters stretch their legs, you'll thank me later.

 

[mandroid]

Thanks for the advice guys, I'm currently having trouble sourcing my gear and pct so this will probably put off until the new year now. Not sure I'll be able to handle the January surge of new years resolutioners if I get the rage

 

[ruckin]

Tren test dbol should be great. I've heard a few reports of the tren/dbol stack producing insane muscle gains. I can't wait to try that one myself.

 

[kiwigear]

I could never bulk on tren lol.. Recomp effect is amazing but even on +1000 cals I had minimal weight gain .. Wonder how common that is?

 

[TheBeat]

I think it's pretty common, for me and those I personally know at least. Great for recomp and density, but I've never thought it was good for mass and shape, but it's great for density and ripped look and compliments any cycle, just not a main component for me unless recomping or presenting.