3rd cycle- please critique

[spound]

I am planning on taking my third cycle in about 6-8 weeks and want to run it by some of you guys first. My stats are 6'1'' 220 and about 12 % bodyfat....i was thinking about leaning out some for the summer but said screw it and just want to pack on some quality muscle that i will keep a lot of, but try to stay around the same BF%. I cant decide on 10 or 12 wks but here is what i am thinking:

Wk 1-10 500mg test enth/wk (250 2x/wk)
wk 1-10 400mg EQ/wk
wk 1-4 25mg Dbol/ED
PCT: clomid and nolva (will have on hand throughout)

*I am also thinking about throwing in winny at 25mg/ED for the last 6 weeks to push some xtra water out and give me a little harder and vascular look but i know EQ has a similar effect so is this necessary? (I would really like to try it out) And i know some people are against a bulking and cutting cycle at once but i plan on eating AT LEAST 5,000 cal/ED but keeping it very clean to gain mostly muscle weight and gain as little fat as possible
Please make any corrections you feel necessary as i am open to all suggestions and obviously want to do this in the safest/most effective way possible.Thanks in advance.

 

[NDK]

Looks solid except using the winny in the last 6 weeks equates to using a 17aa oral for 10 weeks. Too long and harsh on the liver in my opinion. I would also use .25 mg of Arimiedex ED during the cycle, this will help with the water retention from the test and dbol.

 

[drago1]

ndk gave you some good advice. add the adex and dont use the winny. the only thing i wanted to add is possibly upping the dosages a bit. maybe test at 750mgs/wk, eq at 600mgs/wk, and dbol at 35-40mgs/ed. and frontload the test week 1 with a double dose. maybe end it with substituting prop for the enanthate(wks 9 & 10) due to its half life. most importantly. dont overeat. i think this is totally unecessary for bulking. i see too many bro's suggesting that this is a must. totally untrue.

 

[spound]

Yea i would up the Dbol dose a little but i usually have problems with more than 25 mgs and last time i used it i gained 12 lbs in the second week on 25mgs but when i went up to 35mgs my liver bothered me too damn much so i dont see any point in going higher than 25 for right now i also plan on taking 1000 milkthistle /day....do you think i should go 10 or 12 wks?

Bump for any more advice or thoughts on upping the test and EQ dosages

 

[spound]

Oh yea BTW, if i take winny i will inject it not take oral

 

[highoutput]

Oh yea BTW, if i take winny i will inject it not take oral

I could be wrong but i think that if you inject the winny your still injesting a 17aa and it will still effect your liver. But i could be wrong. so iwould skip the winny and keep the dbol at 25mgs.

As for the test and eq i would up the Eq to 600 and try maybe 625mgs of the test. But i am always conservitive with the amount of gear i take. I think the armidex is a great idea as well. i think that a 10 week cycle would be good, at any rate bro happy growing!

 

[spound]

I know arimidex minimizes aromitization but arimidex cant take the place of nolvadex can it? I mean, will it prevent gyno and stuff?

 

[joe shmoe]

arimi dex and nolva work in different ways to accomplish some of the same goals....to prevent you from getting gyno.

arimi helps prevent the conversion of test into estrogen. so you'll have less estro in your body....thereby lessening the chance of you getting gyno. nolva does nothing to help prevent the conversion. it attaches itself to the same receptors that the estro wants. so once nolva is attached to the recptors, theres nowhere for the estro to attach to...no gyno.

even while using arimi, some guys get itchy nips. at this point, they(we) drop 40mg/ED of nolva for 3-4 days. most guys, me too, have both around. we use the arimi, and have the nolva "just incase". others just use nolva.

BTW...no need to frontload if you're using an oral.

and the thing about not overeating for bulking...well i disagree. i'll agree that you shouldnt overeat on garbage food, but eating a hell of alot of the good foods will help you grow. eating is more important than the drugs that you'll be using.

have a nice day

 

[spound]

bump for any more opinions-on the cycle

 

[NDK]

Oh yea BTW, if i take winny i will inject it not take oral

Injectable winny is the same as oral, both 17aa, same function.

 

[Trenman]

I do think that the 17aa liver harshness thing is over publicized. I would give a little more gap between the winny and dbol by bumping your winstrol dose up to 50mg ed and adding a week or two between the dbol and winny.

You'll be fine with what you have written out and your orals are at low doses. No worries and it's all on how clean you eat as to what your gains will be.

 

[spound]

Any other comments on the dosages?....i just cant decide whether to take 500 test and 400 EQ or 625 test and 600 EQ or something like that b/c i am gettin Test 250 and the strength of the EQ is 200/ml. I would like to stay low for now and get the most i can w/ the lower dosages b/c like i said this is only my 3rd cycle, but i also want to make the best gains possible. my cycle history looks like this:
1st: Dbol only (please dont flame-dumbass and uneducated)
2nd: Deca 200/wk and Test cyp 300/wk for 10 wks (i actually gained about 18 lbs and kept about 12 on this low dosage)

Now i want to bump it up more to get A Lot better results than last time so do you think 500mg and 400 will be sufficient or should i go higher according to my past?

 

[Trenman]

I preach the K.I.S.S. methodology. I always recommend a first cycle of dbol/test or drol/test at only 250mg per week. Guess what guys get good gains doing this. Then cycle two or three yeah why not use 500mg of test and 400mg of Deca or EQ I would. I have 5 or 6 cycles under my belt and just now went to 750mg of test/week. I think your cycle is fine at 500mg/400mg of Test and EQ.