I've been on DNP for 4 days, 400mg/day, with no noticable effects. Not sweating at all, even with 45-50 minutes of cardio just promotes normal sweating, not tired or rundown, no fever, no night sweats, no trouble sleeping, so what the hell? The DNP came from a well respected source here on MESO, lets just call him 'H' , (generation II caps).
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4 days of DNP and nothing
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Heretic
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This happens sometimes, some people just seem to have more tolerance or it may be due to diet. I'd have to ask what your diet looks like, and also if you're actually losing any weight or seeing any changes in your body composition. You don't have to be sweating your ass off for DNP to work, although many people think that if they're not miserable then it's not working. Even at 200mg per day you will lose weight if your calorie intake is correct, and most people won't even notice that dose. Granted the results are not as quick and dramatic as say 600mg, but most people don't like trying to go about their day on 600mg for a week or more.
I would advise checking your diet and possibly bumping it up to 600mg for the next week. If you still don't notice anything (fat loss, sweating, lethargy) then e-mail me and we will work something out.
Regards,
-H-
I would advise checking your diet and possibly bumping it up to 600mg for the next week. If you still don't notice anything (fat loss, sweating, lethargy) then e-mail me and we will work something out.
Regards,
-H-
kemo
New Member
Only down 3 pounds in a week? And you are dissapointed. I don't mean to bash anyone here, but one of the problems people have with DNP is sometimes unrealistic goals. Here are a couple of things to keep in mind:
1. Your results is a factor of many things...ie caloric intake, caloric mix, cardio exertion, fluid balance, sodium balance, etc. Just because you are taking 400mg a day for a week doesn't mean you are going to drop 20 pounds.
2. Genetic effects do play a role, as does current body composition. Some people are predisposed to have a certain tolerance to DNP. I will tell you however, DNP will always work...it just works different for different people.
3. I don't consider 3 pounds in a week a dissapointment. I challenge any other "safe" diet to show me 3 pounds of pure fat loss in 7 days.
4. As has been mentioned on here before, the final results are often not apparent for a few days post cycle.
5. Finally, DNP does not magically burn fat off. There is a scientific basis whereby it creates an increase in the metabolic rate of the body. In simple terms, in means it makes you burn more calories than you were without the DNP. However, if you are eating like a pig, not exercising, or already have a very poor metabolism, DNP is not going to make you melt fat like butter on a Georgia sidewalk. DNP increases the metabolism by approximately 35%. Simple math still dictates a 35% increase doesn't cure all sins.
Bottom line is this: Work with H concerning your goals and what you might do to increase the results. But once everything is said and done, you may just have to run a few more cycles to get where you need to. If DNP was the absolute cure for obesity, I guarantee you I would be eating a pizza a day, chased with 6 beers and a gallon of ice cream, all while maintaining my 5% bf level.
Hope this helps,
Kemo
P.S. If you want more of the "scientific" mumbo jumbo, do a search on my name for other DNP posts I have made.
Heretic
New Member
Damn, Kemo said it all right there, excellent information from another knowledgeable bro. It is always best to way before your cycle and several days after your last dose. I notice the most dramatic results four days to a week after my last dose, when you can be sure the water retention is gone and the glycogen supercompensation has taken place. I always seem to feel a lot tighter, especially around the waist. I'd also advise running an ECA stack if you're concerned about water bloat while on cycle. This will help a little bit to keep some of it off, and will also help keep energy levels up and hunger down. In the end thought the bloat really doesn't matter as the water will drop without a doubt.
As Kemo said, it's important to have realistic goals and expectations whenever you approach something, even something as powerful as DNP. There is no other way I know of to lose several pounds in a week with hardly any change in diet and no increase in exercise (both of which will increase the effects obviously). Don't expect to drop 30 lbs in once cycle, but such weight loss is possible over time if you do enough responsible cycles and can maintain a good diet afterward.
I plan on posting my own DNP diary the next time I run a cycle so others can see how it goes, there have been several done here by good bros but there's no such thing as too much information.
Regards,
-H-
As Kemo said, it's important to have realistic goals and expectations whenever you approach something, even something as powerful as DNP. There is no other way I know of to lose several pounds in a week with hardly any change in diet and no increase in exercise (both of which will increase the effects obviously). Don't expect to drop 30 lbs in once cycle, but such weight loss is possible over time if you do enough responsible cycles and can maintain a good diet afterward.
I plan on posting my own DNP diary the next time I run a cycle so others can see how it goes, there have been several done here by good bros but there's no such thing as too much information.
Regards,
-H-
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Thanks for the help H.
Diet is as follows
5:45 a.m. - 40 grams whey protein (only on cardio days, M,W,F maybe Sat.)
7:30 a.m. - MRP plus 8 oz egg whites and 8 oz fat free milk, and 1 to 1 1/2 cups dry oatmeal, either Myoplex deluxe or Labrada's instant breakfast
Both contain 50 or so grams of whey, plus around 30 grams complex carbs, 6 grams of fiber and glutamine, around 340 Cals
10:00 a.m. - Chicken breast or super lean beef patty and 1 to 1 1/2 cups of brown rice
12:30 - another chicken breast and 2 pieces of wheat bread or granola bar, plus a casien protein shake
2:30 - Cytoplex shake with water 600 cals,84 grams carbs(94 % complex), 54 grams whey protein, plus 1 cup oatmeal.
4:30 - Maybe another chicken breast, or patty, or some tuna, and a whey protein shake plus creatine
7:00 - Immediately after workout 40 grams whey with 8-12 oz fat free milk and 2 tablespoons honey
7:30 or 8:00 - Some type of lean beef, or chicken, and some pasta or rice, and maybe a vegetable
10:00 -10:30 - Casien protein shake usually Muscle Milk plus 1 tablespoon PB.
Workouts go:
Mon - Cardio 45-50 minutes 6:00 a.m.
5:30 pm - chest
Tues - 5:30 pm - Quads and calves
Wed - cardio 45-50 minutes 6:00 a.m.
5:30 pm - back and traps
Thurs- 5:30 pm - Hams and calves
Fri - 45-50 minutes cardio 6:00 am
12:30 p.m.(lunch) - shoulders and traps
Sat. - Maybe some cardio usually just 30 minutes
around 10:00 am - Bi's and tri's
Sun - OFF
Thanks for the help H.
Diet is as follows
5:45 a.m. - 40 grams whey protein (only on cardio days, M,W,F maybe Sat.)
7:30 a.m. - MRP plus 8 oz egg whites and 8 oz fat free milk, and 1 to 1 1/2 cups dry oatmeal, either Myoplex deluxe or Labrada's instant breakfast
Both contain 50 or so grams of whey, plus around 30 grams complex carbs, 6 grams of fiber and glutamine, around 340 Cals
10:00 a.m. - Chicken breast or super lean beef patty and 1 to 1 1/2 cups of brown rice
12:30 - another chicken breast and 2 pieces of wheat bread or granola bar, plus a casien protein shake
2:30 - Cytoplex shake with water 600 cals,84 grams carbs(94 % complex), 54 grams whey protein, plus 1 cup oatmeal.
4:30 - Maybe another chicken breast, or patty, or some tuna, and a whey protein shake plus creatine
7:00 - Immediately after workout 40 grams whey with 8-12 oz fat free milk and 2 tablespoons honey
7:30 or 8:00 - Some type of lean beef, or chicken, and some pasta or rice, and maybe a vegetable
10:00 -10:30 - Casien protein shake usually Muscle Milk plus 1 tablespoon PB.
Workouts go:
Mon - Cardio 45-50 minutes 6:00 a.m.
5:30 pm - chest
Tues - 5:30 pm - Quads and calves
Wed - cardio 45-50 minutes 6:00 a.m.
5:30 pm - back and traps
Thurs- 5:30 pm - Hams and calves
Fri - 45-50 minutes cardio 6:00 am
12:30 p.m.(lunch) - shoulders and traps
Sat. - Maybe some cardio usually just 30 minutes
around 10:00 am - Bi's and tri's
Sun - OFF
Bob Smith said:
the general consensus at vip is h's DNP is the hellfire, i think you guys are looking for results way too soon, the fact that you are looking for extreme weight while on the dnp tells me you did not research the substance at all, since anyone will tell you that the water retention often offsets the weight loss until you come off.
Heretic
New Member
Your diet looks clean as far as content, but what really matters is your total caloric intake vs. your caloric output. Weight loss is a simple equation, calories in minus calories out, so technically you could eat twinkies all day and as long as you burn more calories then you eat you will lose weight. On the other hand if you eat chicken, tuna, and rice all day and sit on your ass you will get fat. This is why DNP works so well, it dramatically shifts the number of calories you burn in a given day and allows you to achieve a caloric deficit much easier. You can actually figure it out to within a certain range if you want. Add up how many calories you're eating in a day, and then find your BMR, which is usually 12 to 15 times your body weight in lbs I think. That's how many calories you burn per day at rest, anything else you do like working out, walking, etc., will add to the calories burned. We know that DNP increases BMR by 35-50%, possibly even higher if the dose is higher, so you can figure out what you're probably burning on DNP. If you're a large guy, maybe around 250 lbs, your BMR is probably around 4k calories a day, so on DNP you could be burning 6000 calories a day AT REST. Obviously if you work out, do cardio, or have a busy day you could be looking at 8k calories a day on DNP, which is damn near impossible to "out-eat". Now you can see why it's possible to burn a lb of fat in a day, although there are many variables involved with your BMR, diet, etc....
Regards,
-H-
Regards,
-H-
BEEFarmer
Banned
I am pretty sure since DNP ups your metabolic rate by 30% or more, it woud eat up muscle 30% faster as well. Correct?
I mean if you starve yourself or only eat 1-2 small meals a day your body will burn up 30% more of eveything right?
DNP is not fat specific like must of us think.
so just because you starve yourself and take DNP, you are NOT going to lose your love handles or spare tire faster and keep your physique the way it is. It is not possible. You'll lose a little of everything.
Main reason I dont use DNP. And I have a few hundred caps sitting here in front of me doing nothing
I mean if you starve yourself or only eat 1-2 small meals a day your body will burn up 30% more of eveything right?
DNP is not fat specific like must of us think.
so just because you starve yourself and take DNP, you are NOT going to lose your love handles or spare tire faster and keep your physique the way it is. It is not possible. You'll lose a little of everything.
Main reason I dont use DNP. And I have a few hundred caps sitting here in front of me doing nothing
lucky27, try eating more simple sugar foods like fruits such as apples. It works for me, and gets you burning nicely. You might not be feeling heat or notice a difference on the scale, but chances are pretty good that the DNP is working. I'm on the 4th day @ 400mg a day and feeling toasty, although I still weigh the same. Peeing like a race horse too.
kemo
New Member
BEEFarmer said:I am pretty sure since DNP ups your metabolic rate by 30% or more, it woud eat up muscle 30% faster as well. Correct?
I mean if you starve yourself or only eat 1-2 small meals a day your body will burn up 30% more of eveything right?
DNP is not fat specific like must of us think.
so just because you starve yourself and take DNP, you are NOT going to lose your love handles or spare tire faster and keep your physique the way it is. It is not possible. You'll lose a little of everything.
Main reason I dont use DNP. And I have a few hundred caps sitting here in front of me doing nothing
BEEF,
I have to disagree bro. Although I agree that if you starve yourself you are also going to lose muscle, the actions whereby DNP increase metabolism makes it such that it is VERY specific to burning fat. Assuming you have a decent caloric intake with protein, the weight you lose will be approximately 97.5% fat and 2.5% muscle.
This unique aspect of DNP is what made it an ideal drug for treating the clinically obese during the 1920's when the drug was in it's hayday. The subject would lose primarily fat even though they were unable to excersise.
I don't really have the time right now to post all the scientific basis for my argument, but if anyone is really interested in wading through it, I'll be glad to post.
Hope this helps......
Kemo
