4 months off first cycle blood test questions.

[3sixty3]

First cycle was 500mg test, and some anavar after 8 weeks and ran the var for 6 weeks. Total cycle was 16 weeks. So I have had my bloods done several times over the last year, First time I had them done my test came back
373 ng/dL >=240 ng/dL I had been up for like 4 hours before taking the test .

Second time I took it an Hour after waking and it came back 521ng/dl. scale 264-916

Third time been off first cycle for 4 months and took 1.5 hours after waking. Results came back 288ng/dl scale 264-916

I ended my cycle on Test P, started some HCG the last week of shots and then continued HCG at 2000I/U every other day for a week after my last test P shot. I then jumped on the clomid and Nolva.

I have attached my current Blood work with Hormone panel and lipids. Any feedback is appreciated.

My buddy is telling me to just fucking cruise at TRT dose after my next cycle or just stay on TRT forever on don't cycle anymore. I'm in my upper 30s and have all the kids I need and want, lol. Thought is crossing my mind. Just looking for opinions and dialogue from experienced people. Thanks in advance.

 

[5millionbucks]

damn man; looks like you got primary hypogonadism off 1 cycle. How long did u run clomid for and what were the doses?

 

[3sixty3]

damn man; looks like you got primary hypogonadism off 1 cycle. How long did u run clomid for and what were the doses?

Ran the following 1-35 Clomid 50mg morning and night
1-45 Nolva 20mg morning and night

 

[The Terminator]

damn man; looks like you got primary hypogonadism off 1 cycle. How long did u run clomid for and what were the doses?

In primary hypogonadism the gonadotropins would be either high or in high mid range because of the lack of response from the gonads that’s why they call it hypergonadotropic hypogonadism: his are .1 away from the bottom.

Most important is how you feel, do you really have symptoms of hypgonadism that can’t be related to other things? Equally important what were your precycle blood results, that will provide valuable info. Your body might need more time to recover fully or it may already be recovered.

 

[5millionbucks]

That is true; actually I just looked at his LH and FSH; his FSH does seem a little on the low side. Would definitely need to see his pre bloods to compare how his pituitary looked before. BTW he did run test 500 mg for 16 weeks. So assuming that hes been on test for 4 months even though he used test prop near the end to clear out the test faster than rather using enanthate. Might take him another 1-2 months to recover. OP how do you feel? and in terms of strength body composition did you lose all your gains or have you been maintaining? If you feel fine and your strength levels and muscle mass has been maintained after these 4 months just wait a little longer till your body recovers or take a testbooster like Tribestan or Tongkat Ali if you feel a little low in energy.

 

[3sixty3]

Thanks for the help guys. I have attached my pre cycle bloodwork. I honestly don't feel bad, strength is down for sure and I Dropped from about 240lbs to 220lbs since coming off. My labido isn't the best, but it wasn't pre cycle either. I don't have any issues getting hard or anything like that, but I miss wanting to beat them guts up every day like when I was on the test. lol.. How well do the natural test boosters work? Should I take a little HCG? Seems like HCG is a little hard to lock down a quality source for.

 

[5millionbucks]

Thanks for the help guys. I have attached my pre cycle bloodwork. I honestly don't feel bad, strength is down for sure and I Dropped from about 240lbs to 220lbs since coming off. My labido isn't the best, but it wasn't pre cycle either. I don't have any issues getting hard or anything like that, but I miss wanting to beat them guts up every day like when I was on the test. lol.. How well do the natural test boosters work? Should I take a little HCG? Seems like HCG is a little hard to lock down a quality source for.

unless your doing Scalley's Power PCT protocol hell nah. also I cant see your fsh and lh or any posted pre cycle bloodwork only your post cycle bloodwork I see.

 

[The Terminator]

Thanks for the help guys. I have attached my pre cycle bloodwork. I honestly don't feel bad, strength is down for sure and I Dropped from about 240lbs to 220lbs since coming off. My labido isn't the best, but it wasn't pre cycle either. I don't have any issues getting hard or anything like that, but I miss wanting to beat them guts up every day like when I was on the test. lol.. How well do the natural test boosters work? Should I take a little HCG? Seems like HCG is a little hard to lock down a quality source for.

Can’t see the attachment. hCG will raise T and is quite easy to find in the underground section but I don’t think it’ll help overall here as it seems like your testicles responded to serms. The pituitary needs to pick back up.

 

[3sixty3]

Can’t see the attachment. hCG will raise T and is quite easy to find in the underground section but I don’t think it’ll help overall here as it seems like your testicles responded to serms. The pituitary needs to pick back up.

Thanks, here is the pre cycle bloods. Not sure why it didn't attach the first time. Also towards the end of my cycle I started to get pretty bad chest and back acne, my buddy said it was probably from the var. Here I am 4 months later and this shit still aint gone away, actually I think its worse. I have tried African black soap, pro active, more showers etc. No success.

 

[The Terminator]

Thanks, here is the pre cycle bloods. Not sure why it didn't attach the first time. Also towards the end of my cycle I started to get pretty bad chest and back acne, my buddy said it was probably from the var. Here I am 4 months later and this shit still aint gone away, actually I think its worse. I have tried African black soap, pro active, more showers etc. No success.

It’s prob due to hormonal changes etc. How bad is the acne, like a couple dozen or 100s? I think that proactive is just overpriced crap you could prob get cheaper. Does it come with adapaline gel? If not buy some, it’s an otc retinol that works almost as well as rx with little to no irritation, and get 10% benzoyl peroxide, I like OXY Maximum. Get some hibiclens, it’s the soap they have you wash with before you come in for surgery, and use that a couple times a week in the shower, but not everyday. You could use dial bar soap but hibiclens is more effective at killing bacteria. You’ll also want to get a topical antibiotic like clindimycin or mupirocin. I’d avoid oral meds unless it’s severe.

Anyway looks like you were at 521, when was that other 521 result from, like how far after cycle/into pct? It’s possible more time is needed you were shut down for 4 months, or possible that this is recovery for you now. Perhaps someone with more expertise in pct could chime in but I think time would prob be best.

I’m on trt but personally I’d rather be natty, adding hCG helped give me a more natural feel. I’ve been considering attempting to go off trt to see if my body can take over. So I’m kinda biased but if you’re down with trt indefinitely you could do that, but a real trt not 500mg cruise some do. I’d try getting it from your dr tho, and I’d recommend doing hCG with trt if you go that route, keep the balls alive.

 

[5millionbucks]

wow your lh and fsh are basically cut in half from pre cycle and your estradiol is half of what it was precycle. I think you need more time off; if you haven't recovered say in like 6 months I would say go on TRT or do a more extreme approach like Power PCT. BTW what was your weight precycle bodyweight and bodyfat percentage; and what is it now?

 

[3sixty3]

It’s prob due to hormonal changes etc. How bad is the acne, like a couple dozen or 100s? I think that proactive is just overpriced crap you could prob get cheaper. Does it come with adapaline gel? If not buy some, it’s an otc retinol that works almost as well as rx with little to no irritation, and get 10% benzoyl peroxide, I like OXY Maximum. Get some hibiclens, it’s the soap they have you wash with before you come in for surgery, and use that a couple times a week in the shower, but not everyday. You could use dial bar soap but hibiclens is more effective at killing bacteria. You’ll also want to get a topical antibiotic like clindimycin or mupirocin. I’d avoid oral meds unless it’s severe.

Anyway looks like you were at 521, when was that other 521 result from, like how far after cycle/into pct? It’s possible more time is needed you were shut down for 4 months, or possible that this is recovery for you now. Perhaps someone with more expertise in pct could chime in but I think time would prob be best.

I’m on trt but personally I’d rather be natty, adding hCG helped give me a more natural feel. I’ve been considering attempting to go off trt to see if my body can take over. So I’m kinda biased but if you’re down with trt indefinitely you could do that, but a real trt not 500mg cruise some do. I’d try getting it from your dr tho, and I’d recommend doing hCG with trt if you go that route, keep the balls alive.

The 521 was right before I went on cycle, the 373 was pre cycle about a month before the 521. I have been up for about 4 hours so I decided to do check again after waking. Thanks for the help with the acne meds, I will be looking into picking them up.

 

[3sixty3]

wow your lh and fsh are basically cut in half from pre cycle and your estradiol is half of what it was precycle. I think you need more time off; if you haven't recovered say in like 6 months I would say go on TRT or do a more extreme approach like Power PCT. BTW what was your weight precycle bodyweight and bodyfat percentage; and what is it now?

My pre cycle body weight was about 235, I got up to about 250lbs and right now I am 220-225ish. Its been a crazy journey for me. I am not sure what my BF percentage is. I had taken about 8 years off from the gym, and continued too eat like I was working out still. Got on the scale and a I 315lbs and I'm 6ft 1. I dropped down to 235ish in 7 months or so changing my diet, lifting 4-5 days a weeks and cardio 4-5 days a week. I have loose skin from losing weight so fast so its kinda hard to say where its at.I carry most of my fat in my chest and stomach for sure, the rest of my body not so much. At heart I am a fat boy football player, so I know I need to work hard to get where I want to be and stay working hard.

 

[5millionbucks]

My pre cycle body weight was about 235, I got up to about 250lbs and right now I am 220-225ish. Its been a crazy journey for me. I am not sure what my BF percentage is. I had taken about 8 years off from the gym, and continued too eat like I was working out still. Got on the scale and a I 315lbs and I'm 6ft 1. I dropped down to 235ish in 7 months or so changing my diet, lifting 4-5 days a weeks and cardio 4-5 days a week. I have loose skin from losing weight so fast so its kinda hard to say where its at.I carry most of my fat in my chest and stomach for sure, the rest of my body not so much. At heart I am a fat boy football player, so I know I need to work hard to get where I want to be and stay working hard.

I was just trying to gauge if ur alot more muscular now than pre cycle.

 

[The Terminator]

The 521 was right before I went on cycle, the 373 was pre cycle about a month before the 521. I have been up for about 4 hours so I decided to do check again after waking. Thanks for the help with the acne meds, I will be looking into picking them up.

Ah I thought those numbers were all from after cycle. Did you only take test p or were you on C or E at anytime and if so when how long did you switch to p for?

 

[3sixty3]

Ah I thought those numbers were all from after cycle. Did you only take test p or were you on C or E at anytime and if so when how long did you switch to p for?

I was on the P to start the cycle with the C for about 3-4 weeks, then dropped the P and kept the C for 8 alone and mixed in some Var about about 10 week mark. Used Var for about 5 weeks. Stopped the C two weeks before ending cycle and finished with the P only.

 

[The Terminator]

I was on the P to start the cycle with the C for about 3-4 weeks, then dropped the P and kept the C for 8 alone and mixed in some Var about about 10 week mark. Used Var for about 5 weeks. Stopped the C two weeks before ending cycle and finished with the P only.

There’s a slight chance the TC was still at a high enough level that would of made your pct early, slight. Anyway let us know how it turns out.

 

[3sixty3]

There’s a slight chance the TC was still at a high enough level that would of made your pct early, slight. Anyway let us know how it turns out.

Going to pull bloods again in another month, and see where everything is at. Thanks for the help

 

[The Terminator]

Going to pull bloods again in another month, and see where everything is at. Thanks for the help

Hopefully you’ll have an improvement by then.