40 yr old newb would like some advice..

[wheninrome]

First off, thanks for reading the post and please bear with me as it will be long winded. I am as mentioned 40 and about to start my first cycle (hopefully-depending on the source) and have several questions to fire out that i'm sure only a newb would be asking. The relevant info first: I am a hardgainer but in the past have been in peak physical condition due to time in the 82nd Airborne (hey to all you vets and currently serving fukrs!) and know how to train (although i may have a few questions on lifting for mass in future posts). I am starting to eat right again and lift steadily after much on and off over the years. I've done loads of research and am starting to ingest between 275 and 350g (for now) of protein daily with much fish, pork, chicken and supps - getting my carbs from good grains, veg, milk, cheeses, etc. (very easy on the pasta and rice as of now). I am 5'10" and 193 sitting at about 95% body fat Don't really care too much what my BF is (am normal build with a little excess) but definitely would like to turn some of this excess fat into solid gain. Married with children so i don't care much about a V taper just looking to trim some fat whilst gaining as much mass as possible. This is where you lifting vets come in. The cycle I have planned is here: Anabolic steroids cycles for beginning bodybuilders - Steroid.com
I realize that as a newb i should do all the research before asking any questions. I have done assloads of research and could probably find most of what i want/need to know if i searched for another week but would rather have experienced opinions in an open forum to gain as much specific knowledge as possible. And that is what this is all about, no? So please have some patience and if you have any questions drop a line and i will answer whatever is needed. Here are my questions:
To cook or not to cook? any good references on cooking, diluting, sterilization techniques and injecting with visuals? Basically, is there a one stop shop for all my pinning questions on the web?
Should i stay lean on my diet once i start the cycle or should i up carbs and good fats?
Will staying lean on the diet while ingesting enough protein be a detriment to muscle mass? Should i just bulk up and quit whining about the fat?
I would like to avoid the first timers bloat if possible but would rather keep the mass gains..
The deca is for the joints but as i have read the first cycle should be minimal and the body will take to the test very well the first time - the question is to stack or not to stack - i could probably get by without the deca and d-bol both if this will compromise future cycles but really like the idea of the jump start of d-bol and the well-being\joint relief of the deca? If this will up my tolerance significantly by how much and what is your opinion - is it worth it?
would i take the nolva during cycle if i were to drop one or both?
any and all opinions are appreciated -- thanks all.. opcorn:

 

[methadone]

Hey bro, that was tough to read...lol Don't want to lecture you on grammar, but man....paragraphs...makes it easier to read.

your first cycle should be only one compound to see how you react.

Nice and simple

1-12 500mg Test Enth
2-13 500iu 2x week HCG
14 100mg clomid a day
15-17 50mg clomid a day
18-19 12.5 (or 25mg) aromasin a day

 

[flyguy]

Hey bro, that was tough to read...lol Don't want to lecture you on grammar, but man....paragraphs...makes it easier to read.

your first cycle should be only one compound to see how you react.

Nice and simple

1-12 500mg Test Enth
2-13 500iu 2x week HCG
14 100mg clomid a day
15-17 50mg clomid a day
18-19 12.5 (or 25mg) aromasin a day

i do not want to jack anyones thread, however i have to ask this question.
you say one compound to see how you react, but i see 3 others, besides the test.
can you explain this for me?

 

[wheninrome]

much thanks for the reply and understood.. was a stream of conscience thing as i was taking a break _ will come correct from now on [)]

 

[methadone]

flyguy, the only AAS compound there is the testosterone.

The HCG is to keep your testicles from withering away while on cycle and to help you recover faster. At his age, (or anyone's age for that matter) it would be a big bonus.

The clomid is to kickstart his natural testosterone production and the aromasin is to prevent estrogen rebound.

hope that helps.

 

[Lizard King]

I don't thing you need 1000iu of HCG a week on a test only cycle, a bit overkill.

If needed at all you can do it at 250 iu twice a week after like the 4th week.

 

[methadone]

i like to start it 2 weeks in, but that's just me.

i was thinking 500iu 2x a week because he's 40 (i know you're not ancient) and might shut down faster/harder

im 26 and am at the end of my 4th week of 750mg test cyp, 600mg eq and my first week of 50mg of DBOL ed . At 250iu 2x a week i was starting to notice a lil shrinkage so i bumped it up

 

[solo47]

i like to start it 2 weeks in, but that's just me.

i was thinking 500iu 2x a week because he's 40 (i know you're not ancient) and might shut down faster/harder

im 26 and am at the end of my 4th week of 750mg test cyp, 600mg eq and my first week of 50mg of DBOL ed . At 250iu 2x a week i was starting to notice a lil shrinkage so i bumped it up

Methadone from http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/index.php (CanadaBodybuilding)? In my case, it's 500 iu 2x EW to actually keep the boys fat & jolly. Maybe for some guys 250 iu is enough, I don't know.

Solo

 

[jmills]

Like the suggested use of aromasin for PCT Meth, I think alot of people leave that out.

I like using it along with 3 grams of Vit C and 8 grams of phosphatidylserine per day. And yes, I know that PS has not been shown to give much benefit under normal circumstances, but it seems to me that it would be an aid during PCT due to the unusually high levels of cortisol present. I'm also over 40 now so for me the more bases i can cover the better when it comes to PCT.

I also thinkthere is enough evidence out there that Clomid and Nolvadex used together give you a better chance at a quick recovery.

I'll let someone with experience speak to the whole cooking thing...and as far as the fats and carbs, man that is where the devil lies. You gotta get enough cals to make the aas worthwhile but IMHO you should really get the extra cals thru protein so you can take advantage of the increased nitrogen retention etc...you're never going to process protien as effeciently as when you are on. And yes you should just eat like hell and deal with the fact that you are (probably) going to be bloated to some degree.

Also, get a blood pressure monitor! Use it! yor cardiovascular health is going to take a hit with gear, and if it isnt the best to start with you need to keep an eye on your BP bro.

Finally (and I'll shut up) If you have a higher percentage of BF, consider dieting down for a few months or so to get your BF down to around 15% (at most!) unless you just want to look like a fat gorilla by week 10. [)]

Oh yeah....WELCOME to Meso! Lotsof great guys here, everyone may not always agree 100% but I've learned more here than anywhere else by a damn sight.

jmills

 

[wheninrome]

Sonofamotherload! My head is pounding from staring at this damn screen! There is sooo much good info in here in such fine detail i'm going to have to call it a night to soak up all the info. One last question before I go regarding HCG. The reasoning behind the HCG is libido and shrinkage or is it more for normalizing levels and better PCT transition because i'm and old fckr? If it's about the manberries i'm not too concerned as long as they will return to normal post cycle. Married with kids so my sex life is non-existent anyway :aajack: and i'd enjoy holding out on the wife for a change! Have definitely settled on 500 Test only cycle (plus whatever nolva\clomid\hcg etc. combo you older gents would deem necessary) and will have BF and diet (fargin beer and wings smoked my ass this football season!) well in hand by then. I would like to keep it extremely minimal and medicate as needed if possible.

peace all

 

[methadone]

Methadone from http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/index.php (CanadaBodybuilding)? In my case, it's 500 iu 2x EW to actually keep the boys fat & jolly. Maybe for some guys 250 iu is enough, I don't know.

Solo

That's me, boss.

 

[methadone]

Sonofamotherload! My head is pounding from staring at this damn screen! There is sooo much good info in here in such fine detail i'm going to have to call it a night to soak up all the info. One last question before I go regarding HCG. The reasoning behind the HCG is libido and shrinkage or is it more for normalizing levels and better PCT transition because i'm and old fckr? If it's about the manberries i'm not too concerned as long as they will return to normal post cycle. Married with kids so my sex life is non-existent anyway :aajack: and i'd enjoy holding out on the wife for a change! Have definitely settled on 500 Test only cycle (plus whatever nolva\clomid\hcg etc. combo you older gents would deem necessary) and will have BF and diet (fargin beer and wings smoked my ass this football season!) well in hand by then. I would like to keep it extremely minimal and medicate as needed if possible.

peace all

Here is a page I'd like you to read about HCG so you could better understand it.
HCG human chorionic gonadotropin Anabolic SteroidnbspProfiles - Steroid . com

In that article they talk about using HCG for PCT. I (and many others) believe it's better to use it during cycle in smaller doses than mega dosing for a short period of time at the end of the cycle. Altho it's pretty much 50/50. Some people think it's better to let their boys completely shrink and then get them back up at the end...i think otherwise.

HCG will prevent testicular atrophy or also rectify existing related issues and will also make a smoother transition into PCT and will help you make a better/quicker recovery.

I'm 26 and use it, a lot of other guys use it and it's becoming pretty much standard these days to use it on cycle OR to use it as part of PCT.

Start at 250iu's (injected Sub-Q with an insulin needle) 2x a week, and if you notice your boys starting to shrink, bump up the dosage.

 

[jdub27]

My understanding of the benefits of HCG while on cycle as opposed to post cycle is that non atrophied nuts start producing test faster than raisins. Heard the analogy somewhere "I would rather keep my bulls in the barn than have to chase them all over the pasture". Think it may have been someone on here.

 

[wheninrome]

Alright.. got it all soaked in and have a few remaining questions about serms/sarms and PCT. HCG really does seem like the way to go but during or after seems to be the question. Loved the "bulls in the yard" analogy but I'm thinking I should start the last week of the AAS cycle as suggested in the article since I will only be running 500mg of Test and will probably only cycle for 10 weeks.

As for the clomid I found a great article here: Nolvadex vs. Clomid for PCT | www.silownia.net
I think that strictly nolva would do the trick for bitch tits if they show up during cycle and also after cycle pairing since the article on HCG stated that nolva was a better partner.

Does anyone see any problems with a little HCG mid cycle in case the manberries are looking like a walnut? Seems to me that it might also help even things out a little so PCT will be a little less stressful on the body.

Also, I think i am going to go with a 10 week cycle. Several reasons behind this.
A) the test comes 2500mg a vial - 500mg x 10 wks - 5000mg
B) was trying to decide between an 8 or 12 week cycle - 10 seems bout right to me!
C) first cycle - will be bummed if things are going perfect in week 10 but i can always start again.. and again..
any objections to a 10 week cycle? is 12 a magic number for some reason? will the shit hit the fan from weeks 9 to 12? do i have a better chance at keeping the mass if i cycle for 12?

So this is the cycle for now__

1 -10 500mg Test E
10-13 500\250iu HCG a day
11 40mg Nolva ed
12 30mg Nolva ed
13 20mg Nolva ed
13-14 20mg Aromasin ed
Nolva and HCG mid cycle if needed

as you all know i'm a newb -- so gaze at it, swirl it and swish it around and then spit it out and tell me what you think.. thanks for the feedback!

 

[methadone]

well, around 6-8 weeks is when that test is gonna be really be "hitting" you.
so you'd kinda want a lil more time while you're having fun...just my opinion of course


edit, well more like 4-6 weeks is when you're going to start feeling it...

 

[jmills]

OK, you've been doing some research! Cycle looks good, I would definitely plan on running the HCG from week 4 until....and I am a big fan of longer cycles. Anecdotally, it seems like the longer you are on, the better chance of keeping the gains AS LONG as you stay within that window where your receptors arent starting to compensate for the presence of all that test (OK, not a very scientifically correct explanation, but it works for the presnt discussion) . You get into a situation of diminishing returns, and I've experimented with myself and for me that point is around 16 weeks. Of course for you it might be a bit different...but 12-14 weeks would probably be OK to try IMHO.
Folks will tell you that its harder to recover after longer cycles. I personally have not had a problem coming off of being on even 20 weeks, and that was last year I was 41. Personally, i think that as long as there are no serious underlying issues that would factor into compromising your HPTA, the only real difference between longer cycles is longer time between cycles (time off=time on including PCT) and the whole diminishing returns/blood pressure/cholesterol thing...which all of that should be pretty much non-issues unless you go longer than 20 weeks, again just my experience.

You are going to have soooooo much fun bro

 

[wheninrome]

Sooo.. consensus is longer cycle with more hcg.. i agree and will comply. I started this nervous and apprehensive and wanted to gain as much knowledge as possible especially when it came to my old ass body being able to handle and revert back to normal. I am now like a kid at christmas and can't wait until I drop the excess poundage and get the gear! I really appreciate all the assists and opinions and shall keep you all posted when the cycle begins and how it goes throughout. This is by far the most helpful and friendly forum I have ever taken part and I am most appreciative..
Peace all..