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44 years old and need help

Liter O' Test said:
the man needs to go low carb and get back in the gym, its simple

I dont think he even needs a GLP because hes never been fat before and doesn't have an addiction to food.

maybe TRT if you know what youre doing. since youve done cycles before I guess you do...
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After doing a ton of reading, it's just going to be TRT and Tirz for probably the next 6-12 months. I'm going to start with a 1000 cal deficit and just get the diet dialed in. In the past week I've been doing 1 hour training and 1 hour on the bike at night. Macros are mostly protein (150g) and lower carbs.

My natural test level is in the toilet and likely under 300 ng/dl because I had to come off after the accident (long story). The TRT will help with this.

I'm not going to run HGH because I can't really afford it and I don't know much about it.

Thank you brother.

Swole_dog said:
First of all, man, it´s great that you´re recovered from the accident!
From that question it seems you might maybe need a coach more than AAS, so your approach to that matter seems very reasonable! Maybe invest on some proper coach who will help you build the foundations and knowledge you´ll need later on to maintain or grow the physique you want.
Good luck!
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Yes, I'm glad I survived it too but man it has turned my life upside down. I'm slowly working towards getting it all back. Thing are looking up.

When I get back to work soon, I will have more funds to possibly hire a coach. For the next year the plan is just to slowly lose the weight. I'm already down 2 lbs from last week.

Thank you brother.
 
TA13579 said:
Can I ask a stupid question? I've had another forum specializing in carnivore and fasting tell me just to go on a long term water fast for 30 days. I know that I have the will power to fast for 30 days, but what would that do to my metabolism? And yes I'd probably burn off more muscle as well, but I'm already skinny fat, so it's not like I have much to lose at this point. I just want the fat off as fast as possible. I really don't want to go this route, but if it's faster than I might consider it.

I will check out discounted labs. I will investigate the TRT route and it looks like I will need to order enough Test C to stay on TRT dosages for at least a year.

Edit: Also, thanks for the reply and the info. I've ordered a full panel from discounted labs
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TA13579 said:
Can I ask a stupid question? I've had another forum specializing in carnivore and fasting tell me just to go on a long term water fast for 30 days. I know that I have the will power to fast for 30 days, but what would that do to my metabolism? And yes I'd probably burn off more muscle as well, but I'm already skinny fat, so it's not like I have much to lose at this point. I just want the fat off as fast as possible. I really don't want to go this route, but if it's faster than I might consider it.

I will check out discounted labs. I will investigate the TRT route and it looks like I will need to order enough Test C to stay on TRT dosages for at least a year.

Edit: Also, thanks for the reply and the info. I've ordered a full panel from discounted labs
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Start off with a 24-hr water-only fast once a week and 72-hr water-only once a month and see how you do. Trying to go for 30 days is risky without medical advice…
 
TA13579 said:
After doing a ton of reading, it's just going to be TRT and Tirz for probably the next 6-12 months. I'm going to start with a 1000 cal deficit and just get the diet dialed in. In the past week I've been doing 1 hour training and 1 hour on the bike at night. Macros are mostly protein (150g) and lower carbs.

My natural test level is in the toilet and likely under 300 ng/dl because I had to come off after the accident (long story). The TRT will help with this.

I'm not going to run HGH because I can't really afford it and I don't know much about it.

Thank you brother.


Yes, I'm glad I survived it too but man it has turned my life upside down. I'm slowly working towards getting it all back. Thing are looking up.

When I get back to work soon, I will have more funds to possibly hire a coach. For the next year the plan is just to slowly lose the weight. I'm already down 2 lbs from last week.

Thank you brother.
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yeah TRT is important for you, forget the coach, waste of money, they aren't magic. You don't need to pay a guy to tell you to eat less in an email once per week.

I don't think you'll have as much trouble as you think dude, like I said, just starting moving again and not eating junk will do most of the work.

IMO GLPs are for like people who have been obese their whole lives and struggle with food.

you know what to do, its just going to take time, again, do not push too hard by being impatient, you will end up lowering your BMR too much and you might have difficulty losing weight on 1500kcal a few months in.
 
Tirz has a number of positive benefits including lipids, mood stability and addictive behaviors in general. It's even being trialed for cocaine use disorder. It's a pretty cool drug Not just for land whales.
 
NZb6Air said:
Source?

Sorry for necro bump
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Exploring the Potential Impact of GLP-1 Receptor Agonists on Substance Use, Compulsive Behavior, and Libido: Insights from Social Media Using a Mixed-Methods Approach - PMC

Glucagon-like peptide-1 (GLP-1) is involved in a range of central and peripheral pathways related to appetitive behavior. Hence, this study explored the effects of glucagon-like peptide-1 receptor agonists (GLP-1 RAs) on substance and behavioral ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Sailor28 said:

Exploring the Potential Impact of GLP-1 Receptor Agonists on Substance Use, Compulsive Behavior, and Libido: Insights from Social Media Using a Mixed-Methods Approach - PMC

Glucagon-like peptide-1 (GLP-1) is involved in a range of central and peripheral pathways related to appetitive behavior. Hence, this study explored the effects of glucagon-like peptide-1 receptor agonists (GLP-1 RAs) on substance and behavioral ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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This is a reddit tiktok comments review, not a study on GLP-1 RAs on cocaine users
 
It all starts with blood test results, figure out what's up with the Thyroid first, then look at Test levels. Have to know your estrogen levels before you start worrying about gyno. I also do sauna and cold plunge every day of the week. 20 minutes in 210-degree dry sauna, then 4 minutes in 49-degree cold plunge, back in the sauna for 30 minutes. Toweling off the sweat when it builds up. That has ignited my metabolism. Combined with the right macros, gnat's ass following the diet and workout plan. In two years went from 226#'s and 24.7% body fat to on the stage competing for the first time at 218#'s and 5.2% Body Fat. 52 years old...
 
TA13579 said:
Hi,

After a major car accident and recovery, I've gained like 50 lbs of fat and having trouble losing it. Apparently being in bed for about 7 months recovering, I've lost a lot of lean mass, so my metabolism is very slow. I'm basically skinny fat and probably in the obese category sadly.

My stats: 44M - 235 lbs - 5'10". I haven't run a cycle in over 10 years and haven't been to a gym in about 2 years due to recovering and honestly there is some depression and laziness as well.

What can I do to restart my metabolism and get on the pathway back to good health? Most days I'm just so tired. I've started walking around the neighborhood for about 30-60 mintues a day but it is very taxing. Next week I'm going to join a gym and start doing resistance training.

I don't think AAS can help me right now as I'm trying to cut not bulk. I'm thinking I could order some GLP1. I even ordered some test a few months back but don't think I will run it because it will just convert to estro because of the fat I'm carrying ?

I've often thought I was low-T, but I have a pretty good libido and don't have any issues with erections. I did come back on the low side for testosterone on a panel about a year ago, but another doc said I was normal at 650 ng/dl. I don't know if the doc is full of shit or not. And I don't really trust doctors after the covid mess.

Current Diet for this week: 100g protein with low fat and moderate carbs from rice or fruit everyday. Meals are mostly tuna, rice, and fruit (apples or oranges).

Thanks in advance if you read all of that and can provide some tips

TA13579
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There’s a lot to unpack here.
TA13579 said:
Hi,

After a major car accident and recovery, I've gained like 50 lbs of fat and having trouble losing it. Apparently being in bed for about 7 months recovering, I've lost a lot of lean mass, so my metabolism is very slow. I'm basically skinny fat and probably in the obese category sadly.

My stats: 44M - 235 lbs - 5'10". I haven't run a cycle in over 10 years and haven't been to a gym in about 2 years due to recovering and honestly there is some depression and laziness as well.

What can I do to restart my metabolism and get on the pathway back to good health? Most days I'm just so tired. I've started walking around the neighborhood for about 30-60 mintues a day but it is very taxing. Next week I'm going to join a gym and start doing resistance training.

I don't think AAS can help me right now as I'm trying to cut not bulk. I'm thinking I could order some GLP1. I even ordered some test a few months back but don't think I will run it because it will just convert to estro because of the fat I'm carrying ?

I've often thought I was low-T, but I have a pretty good libido and don't have any issues with erections. I did come back on the low side for testosterone on a panel about a year ago, but another doc said I was normal at 650 ng/dl. I don't know if the doc is full of shit or not. And I don't really trust doctors after the covid mess.

Current Diet for this week: 100g protein with low fat and moderate carbs from rice or fruit everyday. Meals are mostly tuna, rice, and fruit (apples or oranges).

Thanks in advance if you read all of that and can provide some tips

TA13579
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Sorry to hear you’ve been struggling, but it’s a great sign that you’re keen to sort things out. In itself, that’s something you should be happy about!!

Personally, I don’t think you should get on gear to lose weight - high bodyfat and AAS can easily go sideways.

I recommend checking out this short YouTube video about a bloke that tried every diet and ended up losing the weight very simply -
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7SLwIDyYrk


And here is one on the same channel about being ’skinny-fat’ -
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKZwY2_n1uQ


I’m cheering for you mate! I really hope you get back on top.
 
TA13579 said:
After doing a ton of reading, it's just going to be TRT and Tirz for probably the next 6-12 months. I'm going to start with a 1000 cal deficit and just get the diet dialed in. In the past week I've been doing 1 hour training and 1 hour on the bike at night. Macros are mostly protein (150g) and lower carbs.

My natural test level is in the toilet and likely under 300 ng/dl because I had to come off after the accident (long story). The TRT will help with this.

I'm not going to run HGH because I can't really afford it and I don't know much about it.

Thank you brother.


Yes, I'm glad I survived it too but man it has turned my life upside down. I'm slowly working towards getting it all back. Thing are looking up.

When I get back to work soon, I will have more funds to possibly hire a coach. For the next year the plan is just to slowly lose the weight. I'm already down 2 lbs from last week.

Thank you brother.
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So, 6 weeks later, how are things going?
 
A lot has happened in my life since I wrote this original post, but here is a brief update on my progress:

I have been running TRT 150mg/wk with Tirz 5MG/wk, BPC157 and TB500. Two hours of cardio every other day and resistance training (push, pull, and misc) three days a week. Meals have been lean meats and green veggies twice a day.

Tirz has been great with killing off my insane hunger for food. I've been able to drop 22.5 lbs and I'm feeling a lot better. I'm pretty sure I've lost some lean tissue during this extreme cut, but honestly I'm fine with it as I intend to spend the next few years building back what I had previously before the accident.

As for the BPC and TB peptides, I've not noticed much of anything running it -- I didn't get it tested, so it could be fake or some other peptide.

During the past 4 weeks, my wife and I agreed to an uncontested divorce and used mediators to avoid a lengthy and expensive court battle. It really sucks to be honest, but I won't go into a lot of details about it here as this isn't the place for that type of discussion.

The divorce, accident, recovery, job loss, and other situations called for a complete environment change for mental heath reasons. Thailand is the new destination for me for at least 90 days. I've got my eye set on the DTV or Education Visa to stay a few years if I enjoy my experience. The goal is to mend the mind, repair the body, and grow my online business working from a beach.

Thank you all for the comments and advice. I will post another update in a few months with some pics.
 
TA13579 said:
A lot has happened in my life since I wrote this original post, but here is a brief update on my progress:

I have been running TRT 150mg/wk with Tirz 5MG/wk, BPC157 and TB500. Two hours of cardio every other day and resistance training (push, pull, and misc) three days a week. Meals have been lean meats and green veggies twice a day.

Tirz has been great with killing off my insane hunger for food. I've been able to drop 22.5 lbs and I'm feeling a lot better. I'm pretty sure I've lost some lean tissue during this extreme cut, but honestly I'm fine with it as I intend to spend the next few years building back what I had previously before the accident.

As for the BPC and TB peptides, I've not noticed much of anything running it -- I didn't get it tested, so it could be fake or some other peptide.

During the past 4 weeks, my wife and I agreed to an uncontested divorce and used mediators to avoid a lengthy and expensive court battle. It really sucks to be honest, but I won't go into a lot of details about it here as this isn't the place for that type of discussion.

The divorce, accident, recovery, job loss, and other situations called for a complete environment change for mental heath reasons. Thailand is the new destination for me for at least 90 days.

Thank you all for the comments and advice. I will post another update in a few months with some pics.
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Good luck in future endeavors, i hope it gets better,,,,
 
TA13579 said:
A lot has happened in my life since I wrote this original post, but here is a brief update on my progress:

I have been running TRT 150mg/wk with Tirz 5MG/wk, BPC157 and TB500. Two hours of cardio every other day and resistance training (push, pull, and misc) three days a week. Meals have been lean meats and green veggies twice a day.

Tirz has been great with killing off my insane hunger for food. I've been able to drop 22.5 lbs and I'm feeling a lot better. I'm pretty sure I've lost some lean tissue during this extreme cut, but honestly I'm fine with it as I intend to spend the next few years building back what I had previously before the accident.

As for the BPC and TB peptides, I've not noticed much of anything running it -- I didn't get it tested, so it could be fake or some other peptide.

During the past 4 weeks, my wife and I agreed to an uncontested divorce and used mediators to avoid a lengthy and expensive court battle. It really sucks to be honest, but I won't go into a lot of details about it here as this isn't the place for that type of discussion.

The divorce, accident, recovery, job loss, and other situations called for a complete environment change for mental heath reasons. Thailand is the new destination for me for at least 90 days. I've got my eye set on the DTV or Education Visa to stay a few years if I enjoy my experience. The goal is to mend the mind, repair the body, and grow my online business working from a beach.

Thank you all for the comments and advice. I will post another update in a few months with some pics.
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Hope everything works out for you brother. Thailand is a beautiful place to get your head together.
 
Ateam2023 said:
Good luck in future endeavors, i hope it gets better,,,,
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Grey Spartan said:
Hope everything works out for you brother. Thailand is a beautiful place to get your head together.
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I've got a friend in Bangkok and also another friend that is going to try and rent a house on Koh Samui coming to Thailand in a month. I'm hoping this travel will completely reset my mind for a fresh start.
 
madfkndogmax said:
There’s a lot to unpack here.

Sorry to hear you’ve been struggling, but it’s a great sign that you’re keen to sort things out. In itself, that’s something you should be happy about!!

Personally, I don’t think you should get on gear to lose weight - high bodyfat and AAS can easily go sideways.

I’m cheering for you mate! I really hope you get back on top.
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Apologies for missing this reply.

My natural test level was in the toilet (~290ng/dl) so I started with 200mg/wk Test C a few days after the original post and then dropped it down to 150mg/wk which gave me about 1200ng/dL total test based on my last blood work panel. The AAS definitely helped but in this case it's just TRT. I won't do a blast until I'm sub 25% fat again (probably even 20%).

At least with my body, if I run an extreme caloric deficit (-500-750 cals/day), my test levels go very negative causing all sorts of issues.
 
Increase protein from 150 to 200.

You can easily do that by adding a third meal to your two.

Add some carbs around training time.

Speaking of training:

How is weight training going?

Cardio?

I reviewed the entire thread, and all I see you mentioning are drugs and starvation diets. Are you working out?
 
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