45 yr old beginner-help

[woj922]

I need help for my first cycle. I have been training for 6 years - 6'2" 205currently down from 218 2 months ago(stopped drinking-lots of running-pretty hard dieting). Peaked @ 228 3 years ago(Creatine) and would like to get to 215 or so with lean muscle mass that i can retain. My concerns are in this order 1) Safety(liver) 2)Using this cycle only once or twice in the next few years(want to build quality muscle) 3) Keeping as much hair as possible(sorry, vanity) as well as not affecting my test production as much as possible. From the research I have done I am thinking of an 8 week cycle of 300 mg per week of primobolan depot with 400 mg per week (wk 1,2) of eq lowering to 300/wk 3-8. I would add 4 weeks of nolvadex after last shot. Hope this is not too lame a question but would appreciate the help. thx

 

[bojangles2112]

help

I need help for my first cycle. I have been training for 6 years - 6'2" 205currently down from 218 2 months ago(stopped drinking-lots of running-pretty hard dieting). Peaked @ 228 3 years ago(Creatine) and would like to get to 215 or so with lean muscle mass that i can retain. My concerns are in this order 1) Safety(liver) 2)Using this cycle only once or twice in the next few years(want to build quality muscle) 3) Keeping as much hair as possible(sorry, vanity) as well as not affecting my test production as much as possible. From the research I have done I am thinking of an 8 week cycle of 300 mg per week of primobolan depot with 400 mg per week (wk 1,2) of eq lowering to 300/wk 3-8. I would add 4 weeks of nolvadex after last shot. Hope this is not too lame a question but would appreciate the help. thx

Bro, I'm 44 and I am going to stack 750mg of test with 400 mgs of deca a week for 12 weeks and 60 mg of d-bol ed for 4 weeks. After the first 5 weeks I'm going to use 5000 iu's a week of HCG to keep things working ok. I have nolva's on hand for gyno and I'm not really predisposed to hair loss, but if I were I would throw some propecia in the mix. I have to admit it is not my first cycle but it has been 6 months since my last. The only thing I would caution you on is, watch your BP and keep your diet clean and packed with protien.

 

[jagers]

i agree watch your BP, that cycle sounds fine, but i think youd like it even better if you were to add some test to the mix like this
weeks 1-12 300mgs/week primo
weeks 1-12 200mgs/week eq(try to get the 200mg/ml kind for less frequency and less volumous shots)
weeks 1-12 500mgs/week of test 250
weeks 1-15 proviron 50mgs a day would be better for your age youll feel good but nolva is ok if you cant get your hands on itthis cycle is mild i guess to a newbie but it will serve you will with a good anabolic a very good androgenic and some good ole test
later
jagers
watch your diet too

 

[awolf472]

i think you should save the money you would spend on the primo and eq, and just do 500mg of test.(KISS) you will definately like it, a lot more than the other,and it will not be very stressful on the body.i did my first cycle at 44, 6 years ago.

 

[dzl66]

I need help for my first cycle. I have been training for 6 years - 6'2" 205currently down from 218 2 months ago(stopped drinking-lots of running-pretty hard dieting). Peaked @ 228 3 years ago(Creatine) and would like to get to 215 or so with lean muscle mass that i can retain. My concerns are in this order 1) Safety(liver) 2)Using this cycle only once or twice in the next few years(want to build quality muscle) 3) Keeping as much hair as possible(sorry, vanity) as well as not affecting my test production as much as possible. From the research I have done I am thinking of an 8 week cycle of 300 mg per week of primobolan depot with 400 mg per week (wk 1,2) of eq lowering to 300/wk 3-8. I would add 4 weeks of nolvadex after last shot. Hope this is not too lame a question but would appreciate the help. thx

I would cut the primo and use test at 250-350mg per week of cyp. or en. Natural test is going to be surpressed on your cycle as it is. I use eq alot and that amount of EQ is not really going to do that much. EQ is a clean drug but it is not that strong on a mg basis. I would frontload 600mg of eq the first 2 weeks and run 400-500mg for 8-10.
That is a good safe first cycle and i doubt if your liver enzymes would be at all elevated (if you don't drink heavy) and the sides will be negligible.
But again you will be surpressed when you come off the above cycle or the primo/eq cycle.
I have never used primo because 1. Price 2 It needs to be run at doses similiar to Deca for good results, price again 3 It is widely counterfited 4 From what i understand it's main advantadge over others is that it's ability to build muscle on a calorie deficient diet and it does not sound like you will be starving yourself rather you are trying to put on a hard 10-15lbs.
good luck

 

[graybass]

old newbie

Brother of mine, I'm also 40 something. For my money you've got to add test. Your natural production is going to be suppressed anyway with that cycle. Why do you want to feel like shit, when you can feel great? Without the test, you'll feel like a old man. Add 500mg a week of a long acting test (cyp, enan) and you'll feel levels like when you were twenty. No test, no sex! 500mg Every week, and be he f**k machine I know you want to be. Test is the basis of every good cycle. (especially over 40!) 9 outa 10 bros will tell you this. Do not miss the chance to feel like a monster man. Listen all you will need is proper Post Cycle Therapy. (HCH, Clomid, Both?) I use both.
Just my opinion here, works for me.
Feel free to PM me. graybass

PS, I know some one is gonna flame me for always suggesting test, Trust me over forty, you,ve got to have it!

 

[dzl66]

Brother of mine, I'm also 40 something. For my money you've got to add test. Your natural production is going to be suppressed anyway with that cycle. Why do you want to feel like shit, when you can feel great? Without the test, you'll feel like a old man. Add 500mg a week of a long acting test (cyp, enan) and you'll feel levels like when you were twenty. No test, no sex! 500mg Every week, and be he f**k machine I know you want to be. Test is the basis of every good cycle. (especially over 40!) 9 outa 10 bros will tell you this. Do not miss the chance to feel like a monster man. Listen all you will need is proper Post Cycle Therapy. (HCH, Clomid, Both?) I use both.
Just my opinion here, works for me.
Feel free to PM me. graybass

PS, I know some one is gonna flame me for always suggesting test, Trust me over forty, you,ve got to have it!

Test is def. the foundation of every cycle and it is non toxic to the liver

 

[Joe Gator]

Cycling for 40-Somethings

I'm almost 43. BP and prostate enlargement seem to be more troublesome than when I was younger. I agree with 500mg test per week. Drink lots of water for the BP. Proscar for prostate enlargement should be considered although I have never used it (yet). The only time I've noticed hair loss was with dbol. Just my $0.02 but I don't think dbol is a good idea for us over 40.

 

[crewboss]

these guys are dead on, listen to brother Bass you need to include test in this cycle. look @ test as the foundation and then if you want, add others to compliment it.. for your first cycle I'd even look to run test only @ 500 / wk., preferably a long acting one that requires few shots, something like cyp. eat frequently and look for low-fat sources of quality protein. get a solid night's sleep and lay off the booze.

 

[squirt]

I'm almost 43. .... I don't think dbol is a good idea for us over 40.

Any other reasons why you don't like dbol for us older folks? I haven't noticed any badness with it.

 

[squirt]

Trust me over forty, you,ve got to have it!

Have you had your test levels checked? It's worth doing.

That said, I am also over 40 and think test should be base. I'm using EQ also to get some quality bulk.

Take care.

 

[crewboss]

Any other reasons why you don't like dbol for us older folks? I haven't noticed any badness with it.

most likely blood pressure & back pumps.

 

[moralanimal]

Brother of mine, I'm also 40 something. For my money you've got to add test. Your natural production is going to be suppressed anyway with that cycle. Why do you want to feel like shit, when you can feel great? Without the test, you'll feel like a old man. Add 500mg a week of a long acting test (cyp, enan) and you'll feel levels like when you were twenty. No test, no sex! 500mg Every week, and be he f**k machine I know you want to be. Test is the basis of every good cycle. (especially over 40!) 9 outa 10 bros will tell you this. Do not miss the chance to feel like a monster man. Listen all you will need is proper Post Cycle Therapy. (HCH, Clomid, Both?) I use both.
Just my opinion here, works for me.
Feel free to PM me. graybass

PS, I know some one is gonna flame me for always suggesting test, Trust me over forty, you,ve got to have it!

classic- be the F**k machine I know you want to be- nothing short of classic

 

[Denkallberry]

Brother of mine, I'm also 40 something. For my money you've got to add test. Your natural production is going to be suppressed anyway with that cycle. Why do you want to feel like shit, when you can feel great? Without the test, you'll feel like a old man.

Good info from a lot of guys, and Graybass hit the nail on the head, or should I say, we can drive nails with the heads of our peckers. I don't feel like I'm twenty, because I never felt like superman when I was twenty. Maybe later, try some good suspension; what a rush! After several cycles, suspension has become my test of choice.

I agree with Crewboss on the cycle. Esp if this is your first, just enjoy some quality test and don't complicate things right now. You've got plenty of time. 500 mg/wk is a good starter. I'd get my PSA tested first, along with bloods (see HRT section on the board). You have to get some suppression out of the exogenous test, otherwise your body is not going to be very interested.

Later, you could try a GH/suspension cycle. That's the base for the ultimate older-guy cycle.

 

[RipHawk]

44 myself started @34,,i'd run test,some where in the cycle too
best of gains to ya bro!